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Subject: BB News No. 139 dtd April 30, 2005
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:15:41 EDT

(Our 10th Year- Issued monthly as email by )
April 30, 2005
(c) 2005 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)


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This first section of our 2-section newsletter concerns:

1. Identity Theft-Latest Genealogical Internet Scare?
2. German Migration To Burgenland
3. Email Addresses In Burgenland Villages?
4. New Burgenland Book In Dialect
5. Chicago BG To Hold Martini-fest & Miss Burgenland Pageant
6. LDS Family History Centers In The US & Austria


The Internet has been plagued with criminal activity as well as trash and
misleading information. It seems as if there is no end to it. I often wonder what
some people get out of feeding us problems. In the final analysis I guess it
just behooves us to be ever on the alert to Internet and computer misuse in
the same way we've learned to deal with other criminal activity and poor
television, radio and publishing. As in everything else, a little common sense and
use of the delete button goes a long way. Let's not let Internet problems defeat
our objectives.

It seems the latest topic intended to turn us off is scare data being
published which tells us if we aren't careful, criminals will steal our identity by
using what we post on the Internet-particularly data posted on genealogical and
family history sites like our own BB. That this is obviously garbage requires
only a limited intelligence. What do we post? Our name (which can be found
most anywhere), our city and state of residence, family names we are researching
and their places of origin and settlement. None of us live in a vacuum and
this sort of data is in the public domain in countless files, phone books, voter
lists, etc.

In fact most, if not all identity theft comes about from stolen credit cards,
automobile licenses etc. I'm also sure that any criminal stealing your purse,
wallet or mail or going through un-shredded trash can cause identity theft.
By all means protect them and your social security number. The following
extract deals with identity theft as it relates to Internet Genealogical sites.

Recently RootsWeb Review published an interesting subject article ("Private
Concerns") A few of the queries and answers pertinent to Identity Theft are
reprinted below. To read the entire article go to:

RootsWeb's Weekly E-zine, 13 April 2005, Vol. 8, No. 15,
(c) 1998-2005, Inc.
Editor: Myra Vanderpool Gormley, Certified Genealogist

All of what follows has been extracted from the above. Our thanks for the use
of this material.

"Question. What can I do if I find private information about myself and my
living family members published at RootsWeb?

Answer. That depends upon the nature of the "private" information and where
you have found it. Most information about living individuals is not considered
"private" and it is widely accessible. Names, dates, and places are public,
not private, information."

"Question . I'm concerned about identity theft and worry that if information
about my family is found at RootsWeb it could lead to my identity being

A. "Identify theft" has become a buzz word, but it is a misnomer. Actually in
most instances it refers to credit card theft and most of that happens

"A recent survey reported on the Better Business Bureau website indicates
that the vast majority of so-called "identity theft" cases involve "paper" theft
-- not Internet theft. Even the cases that do involve the Internet are the
result of computer viruses, spyware, stolen passwords, and "phishing" scams and
are not due to information found on genealogy websites. Genealogy websites do
not even represent a blip on the radar of this problem.";

"Ever since we saw the first "cries of alarm" over someone stealing your
identity because you put your real name on one of your e-mails, Richard Pence,
newspaperman and long-time genealogist, has been challenging newsgroups and
mailing lists to provide him with authenticated cases showing that genealogical
information was the underlying cause of an identity theft. No one has seriously
tried -- except Pence claims that he did get an e-mail from someone that
claimed "that it actually happened to a neighbor of my cousin." Further questioning
revealed that that one statement was the extent of the sender's knowledge
about the fate of the neighbor."

Pence reports, "So, although I have made repeated challenges it is now
approaching 20 years and no one has provided a documented case ("documented" meaning
verifiable by police or court records) yet."

[Roots Web Editor's note: Richard Allen "Dick" Pence is one of the pioneers
of computer genealogy. He was among the first to see the value of personal
computers for genealogical record keeping and began organizing his records with
one of the earliest of these machines in 1978.]";

Keep informed about the latest news, new databases, webpages and mailing
lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the free weekly RootsWeb Review.
Search/download past issues of the RootsWeb Review:

This concludes the BB extract from the RootsWeb source.


A correspondent writes: Why I am bothering you now is my curiosity as to how
you managed to ascertain that your family moved from around Graz/Styria to
Southern Burgenland (referred to in BB News No. 137), that is, what are the
available sources pertaining to German migration(s) to B'land? If I remember
correctly, in earlier issues of BB News you expressed doubts in connection with ever
finding relevant data regarding migration of German-speaking settlers to our
villages! I would also be most curious to know from what part of
Austria/Germany my ancestors moved to Neutal.

Reply: As you so correctly state, records from the early 1600's and before
are very sparse. The best I have been able to do is find vague references to
early migrations in some village "chroniks" (where the source is invariably oral
tradition with little detail other than vague family memory.) In addition I
find a few references in aristocratic "Urbars" as translated by various
scholars. Some Canonical Visitations likewise have references. Fortunately, a
Franciscan by the name of Pater Gratian Leser translated some of these for the
villages in the southern districts where my family were found. In one (Rudersdorf-not
far from my family villages of Eltendorf, Poppendorf and Heiligenkreuz) it
was mentioned that early settlers came from Styria. I then looked for family
names in that area as they exist today and found many in the area around Graz and
Bad Gleichenberg-not far from the Burgenland.

I researched Graz records (Bürgerbuchs) and while I didn't find any mention
of migrations I did find family names. Listing places of residence of family
names throughout south-eastern Styria, I found a gradual movement over the years
from a village east of Graz (Szt. Margarethe) to a village just inside
today's Burgenland border (Mühlgraben) and then north to Grieselstein (distict of
Jennersdorf) and Heiligenkreuz and Poppendorf. While I can not link to Graz with
church records there is no doubt in my mind that Styria is the area of origin
given these appearances as well as the local dialect translation of my main
family name Berghold (Bergholde-vineyard worker.) The church records point to
late 1600's as time of arrival since no Burgenland record of that name has been
found prior to that time.

The religious split is obvious since the Berghold's of today in Styria are
Catholic while those in the Burgenland are and have been Lutheran from the
beginning, even during the counter-reformation. I assume from this that the early
movement was caused by religious differences as opposed to economic
reasons-otherwise they would have joined the local Catholic congregations. Eltendorf was
(and still is) a Lutheran village whose church was attended by both
Heilgenkreuz and Poppendorf Bergholds. Mühlgraben is also a Lutheran village. The
villages mentioned in Styria are Catholic.

As you can see, this is all highly conjectural but fairly obvious. Perhaps by
using such fragments, you too can prepare a plausible story of origin. I have
no hope of ever proving this with records but at least it appears sound. I
have heard no clues as to Germanic origin in northern Burgenland other than
there is mention (I forget the source) of post 1683 migration from Lake Constance.
The records of migration through Vienna also speak of later migration (Donau
Schwabian) from Franconia, Rhein-Hesse-etc. through the river port of Ulm.)
Some other village histories mention places of origin in what has become
Germany, but those I have seen are based on oral tradition.

In the section on Neutal, Kirsner & Peternell in "Der Bezirk Oberpullendorf
im Wandel der Zeit" published 1997, says that in the middle of the 16th
century, Neutal was settled (resettled) by Croatians under Esterhazy influence. The
village was first mentioned in 1270 so the original inhabitants must have
been lost during the Turkish wars. Obviously this will not help a search for
Germanic family but I have the feeling that a search of Esterhazy records (I have
no suggestions or contact as to these ) might mention migration after this
time by Germanic colonists.

I'm afraid I've been of little help but perhaps there may be a clue in some
of this. Let me know if you ever find anything. Genealogists speak of the
"impenetrable brick wall" of the 16th century as it concerns family records! Let's
keep chipping away!


Member writes: I was wondering if there is a way to locate e-mail addresses
of family in Oberpullendorf. Do you know of any sites that you can put in a
name and village etc and get an e-mail address?

Reply: Afraid not-if you find one let me know-not that many computers in the
Burgenland but I begin to feel there are at least one or two in most every
village of any size. I'd try searching the village name-some of these people have
websites. Be sure to check our Links web page-we list a few. (Lists of email
addresses are becoming scarce due to their being harvested for SPAM.)


The following may be of interest to members who read German or are interested
in Hianzen or the village of Deutschkreuz.

Bettina Herowitsch-Putz writes: Some time ago I sent you the link to our
homepage focusing on our dialect (Hianzen). Now I am glad to let you know that we
have also produced a book containing more than 60 of our texts in dialect.
Most of them are funny, but there are also some that make you think and moreover
there is a small section containing texts suitable for the Christmas season.
The book costs 15 Euro (postage not included). The presentation of our book is
going to take place next week in our home village Deutschkreutz and after
that you will also find a short description of it on our homepage. Yours


Tom writes: We decided at our BG meeting last Sunday that we will hold
another Martini-Fest on Friday, November 4th, 2005 in the Emerald Room at the Gaelic
Park in Oak Forest, Illinois. At this event we will elect a Miss Burgenland
to represent Chicago at the BG 50th anniversary picnic & celebration in July
2006 in Austria. Young women ages 17-25 are eligible to enter the Chicago Miss
Burgenland contest and they must of course have some Burgenland ancestry. More
details of the event will be forthcoming.

(ED Note: The New York club "Bruderschaft der Burgenlander" has also been
electing a Miss Bruderschaft der Burgenlander for 68 years-the winner gets a
trip to the BG picnic every July. Their "Miss" for 2005-2006 will be elected at a
club function on May 22. Jaclyn Ann Tarnok was the "Miss" elected for


If you wish to trace family in the Burgenland, sooner or later you must use
the Burgenland church and civil record microfilm available from the LDS. You
can of course bypass that microfilm and go directly to the Burgenland and take
your chances of getting local access to the records. Unfortunately, if you do
not have experience gained from using the LDS records, you may be lost when
faced with the originals. If you wish to go beyond one or two generations you
must use the LDS microfilm. It is very easy to do here in the US as there are
many family history centers; however there are not very many in Austria, so our
Austrian members have a more difficult time in locating them. Of course,
knowing the language, they have a better opportunity of using the local records. Use
the following link to determine the location of family history centers (the
Austrian sites are shown.) Refer to previous newsletters to learn how to use
them-you can also gain access by using our Links available from the BB homepage.

In Austria there are Family History Centers in Graz, Haag Am Hausruck,
Innsbruck, Klagenfurt, Linz, Salzburg, Salzburg Flachau, St. Polten, Vienna, Wels
and Wiener Neustadt. See for addresses.

Newsletter continues with no. 139A.

Subject: BB News No. 139A dtd April 30, 2005
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:17:29 EDT

(Our 10th Year-10 Pages/2 Email Sections Issued monthly by )
April 30, 2005
(c) 2005 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)

This second section of our 2-section newsletter concerns:

1. Taste Of The Burgenland-Groflin-Kiflin Pastry (A Croat Specialty)-Tom
2. Taste Of Hungary-Roasting Bacon-Hungarian Style
3. Cleveland American Heritage Museum & Balaton Restaurant
4. Louisiana Hungarians-Replies
5. Recent Obituaries-Burgenland Immigrants & Other
6. Time For Burgenlandische Gemeinschaft Dues
7. Pittsburgh Austrian American Cultural Society (AACS) Photos
8. Austria-L Reports AEIOU Data Base Down & Reactivated-Charles Wardell
9. "Ich, Andreas Baumkircher"-Burg Güssing 2005 Production


Tom writes: Here is a Croatian recipe from Schandorf (District Oberwart) that
I have wanted to share with everyone for a long time. The Karlovic family
have brought these to our meetings & events (Chicago) for years. They remind me
of Kolacky, but are baked to a golden brown & are not open-faced like Kolacky.
These are really good!

Kiflin or Groflin

1 lb. butter
8 oz. cream cheese
2 egg yolks
3 cups flour
Solo brand apricot filling or ground walnuts

Mix together well all of the above ingredients. Have extra flour on hand,
since dough will be very sticky. Use well floured hands and form into
approximately 2 inch diameter balls. Place balls on pans and flatten each making a thumb
print impression. Refrigerate 6 hours - overnight.

Only take one pan at a time out of the refrigerator as dough should be kept
as cold. Fill each Kiflin with apricot filling or ground walnuts. Form into
crescents. Filling should be covered.

Place Kiflin on un-greased pans- put into a preheated 350 degree oven for
15-20 minutes-golden brown.

When cool, sprinkle with powdered sugar.

The Karlovics Family Recipe from Schandorf!

(ED Note: Bob Strauch & I both remarked about the similarity to Kipfels, but
Tom tells us that there is a considerable difference.)

Tom explains, No, these are different than Kipfel. I e-mailed Steve
(Karlovic) yesterday to make sure that I got it right. There is no sugar whatsoever in
the dough. The powdered sugar is only sprinkled on the top of them. They might
be a little smaller than 2 inches. They aren't real small. I know they were
larger than an inch. I even got out a ruler trying to gauge on how big they
should be. They are one of my favorites.


Bob Strauch sent me an article written by Emma Lelik from the "The Valley
Independent" newspaper of Monessen, Pennsylvania dated July 31, 1987.

It dealt with ethnic Hungarians who had settled in the Monessen valley. The
introduction spoke of a group of robust men with handlebar mustaches seated
around an open fire roasting bacon. The rest of the article dealt with the
Hungarian Workingmen's Sick Benefit Social and Literary Club of Monessen organized
in 1904. They had a "bacon roast" out on the grounds of the Hungarian Club
every Saturday afternoon.

This article brought some memories to mind. Some years ago I read where a
Gypsy was asked if he'd rather be warm or eat-his reply was "I'd sooner roast
bacon!" -he would then be both warm and fed. It turns out that roasting bacon was
(is) very common and popular among Magyar herdsmen and farmers.

My wife and I were touring Bosnia some years before the Yugoslav breakup and
we were invited to a small village in the karst hills behind the Dalmatian
coast. We were given glasses of plum brandy and then seated around an open fire p
it in an outdoor summer hut. Our hosts played the violin and the one-stringed
gusyla and sang ancient folk melodies featuring Marko the Prince. We were
given chunks of bread and raw pieces of paprika bacon on sticks and shown how to
toast bacon. When it dripped well and was slightly toasted it was dripped on
the bread, topped with an onion slice and eaten. When it ceased dripping we also
ate the bacon. Accompanied with local red wine, it was very good, it tasted
better than it sounds-of course today it would be viewed as a cholesterol
nightmare. My Hungarian cookbook, Lang-"The Cuisine Of Hungary" devotes a number of
pages to Hungarian bacon. There are many types and they all seem to be a cut
above the typical American commercial product-I've noticed European bacon
always tastes better than ours. This is not to say that we don't have some
excellent local products like in southern Virginia and the Amish country. We didn't
know at the time that roasting bacon was a Hungarian tradition as well. Pork
production was (is) big in southeastern Europe.

I imagine it is part of the culture of all nomadic races to engage in
campfire cookery. My maternal grandfather, a German whose family probably migrated
from Swabia, but who had an Hungarian mother, loved his paprika bacon, but ate
it cut into small pieces for breakfast (German speck style). I never knew him
to toast it although his immigrant Magyar neighbor and life-long friend (Mankos
by name) did.

Nothing I like better than a bacon sandwich but I want it as a Bacon, Lettuce
& Tomato with peanut butter yet! This open fire bit makes one think of
goulash cooking over campfires, western cowboys around a chuck wagon, clam bakes in
New England and Americans having a "weenie" or corn roast. Not too long ago
member Joe Jarfas sent us an article about how he cooks goulash over a campfire.
Campfire cooking-a throwback to our ancestors-an open fire seems to
mesmerizes us-connecting with something in our genes. My son loves to use a Dutch oven
over a campfire-his beef stew is just wonderful-must be his Hungarian
ancestors talking to him through his g-g-grandmother Ilona Tarafas. Next time he
invites us to a campfire cook out, I'm taking some piece bacon, paprika and onion
along-with a loaf of good bread as well.


An article from dated April 16, 2005 concerns a visit
to the Hungarian Heritage Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. This was the museum that
in the year 2000 exhibited a replica of the Hungarian crown of St. Stephen.
The story of how this crown survived over the centuries is one I must consider
publishing sometime. Of added interest is the fact that a famous Cleveland
Hungarian restaurant, the Balaton, is nearby. One can view Hungarian culture and
then enjoy traditional Hungarian food and wine. The restaurant located at
13133 Shaker Sq Cleveland, OH 44120 is named after the Lake Balaton region which
is just east of the Burgenland-an area of vineyards and lake resorts. More
concerning the restaurant can be found at

It seems we have a lot to say about things Hungarian and not too long ago a
member asked me why this is. She felt since Burgenlanders are Austrians today,
speaking German for the most part, we should limit BB newsletter articles to
things Germanic. I had to remind her that the Burgenland was part of Hungary
prior to 1921 and had been under Hungarian administration for hundreds of years
and thus Hungarian ethnicity was part of our heritage. As descendants of
Burgenland immigrants, we can't claim to be just German, Austrian, Croatian or
Hungarian-we are a mixture of all even if we claim a larger percentage of one or
the other. I believe there is a little of each ethnic group in all of us (maybe
some Slav and Turkish as well!) Best we refer to ourselves as Americans of
Burgenland ethnic origin! Of course too many will ask "where (what) is


Richard Nemeth writes: Reference BB Newsletter #138, item about Hungarians of
Louisiana, and your ED. Note concerning their origin. My information is that
the "Hungarian Settlement" in Louisiana was predominantly settled by
Hungarians from the very large Hungarian community in Cleveland, OH. They were
recruited to work in the agriculture industry, primarily strawberry farming. If
there were Burgenlanders in Cleveland, some may have gone South with the

Bob Strauch writes: if I remember correctly, the Hungarians settlers in LA
were recruited in the late 1800 's among the already existing colonies in the NE
(Ohio, PA, NJ) to work in agriculture. Their initial settlement was called
Arpadhon (Arpad's house or home). A very good site about them is


(from BG news)
Bertha T. Betz-Coplay , PA-age 93, born Eltendorf

Alfred Jost-Allentown, PA-age 71, born Raabfidisch (Hungary)

Johann Koller-Grosspetersdorf-age 106! -he was the oldest Burgenlander

Julie T. Wukovits-Quakertown, PA-age 101, born Vienna-left Kukmirn for
Philadelphia 1922

(from Tom Glatz, Chicago)
John Radostits, Chicago, IL-age 78, born in the Fuller Park area of Chicago
to immigrant parents from the Burgenland (Neuberg & Gütenbach.) Family returned
to Neuberg and returned to Chicago following WW II. He was active in Austrian
ethnic affairs and was president of the Chicago Burgenlandische Gemeinschaft
for seventeen years and the Jolly Burgenlanders Society of Chicago for several
years. He was honored many times by the Austrian and Burgenland governments
for his ethnic support.

Theresia Schutter, Chicago-age 94 born in Allersdorf.

(from Allentown. PA Morning Call)
Rose Geosits, Northampton, PA-age 91, born Ormrod, PA spent her first 12
years in Szentpeterfa, Hungary, with her grandmother.

(Bob Strauch advised me of the death of one of our members.)
His data was: John P. Miksits; Bakersfield, CA. MIKSITS & SZERNSITS,
Rehgraben; YANDRISEVITS, Kroatisch Tschantschendorf. Settled Allentown, PA.

Obit: John Peter Miksits, 76, passed away March 11, 2005, in Bakersfield,
California. Born August 26, in Northampton, PA, he was a son of the late Frank
and Gisela (Jandrisovits) Miksits.


BB members who are also members of the BG are advised that it is time to
forward their annual dues of $15 to the office in Güssing-check or money order is
acceptable. See page 15 (lower right hand) BG newsletter no. 393 (Jan-Mar)
2005, for announcement. Printed in German, it may not be easily noticed by
non-German readers.


In newsletter no. 126A-4, I reported that BB Intrnet editor Anna Kresh had
been elected to the board of directors of the Austrian American Cultural Society
in Pittsburgh, PA. One of her tasks was to set up a web site for the Society,
which she has done. The society held their annual Viennese Ball on March
27th. Photos of the ball may now be seen at their website

Anna writes: FYI, debutante Christina Rosati is our granddaughter. Nana and
PopPop are very proud. (ED Note: A third generation Burgenland descendant
debuts in Viennese splendor-I'm sure her immigrant g-grandparents would also be
proud. Pittsburgh area members may also find information concerning the AACS at
the above site.)


Charles Wardell (Austria-L Administration carried by Roots-L like
Burgenland-L) reports that The AEIOU - an Austrian directory at Internet - had ceased
operation 01 Apr. 2005. This project was an important source of information about
Austrian history and culture. See

Charles encouraged those using Austria-L to send the following short message
Dr. Wolfgang Schüssel, Federal Chancellor of Austria
Elisabeth Gehrer, Federal Minister ()
Federal Ministry for Education, Science and Culture

Subject: AEIOU data base

I am interested in Austrian history and Austrian culture. It is very
regrettable that the service has been shut down. Please make the
AEIOU data base (the Annotable Electronic
Interactive Oesterreich (=Austria) Universal Information System) available

Austria-L correspondents must have complied since a message was just received
from Peter Sammer. He writes that AEIOU is reactivated. His message (in
German) AEIOU ist reaktiviert! Im Auftrag von Prof. Hermann Maurer darf ich Sie
informieren, dass der AEIOU-Server ( am 13. April reaktiviert
werden durfte. VIELEN DANK fuer Ihre Unterstuetzung! Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Peter Sammer
im Auftrag von
O.Univ.-Prof.Dr.Dr.h.c.mult. Hermann Maurer
Dekan der Fakultaet fuer Informatik
Technische Universitaet Graz

Our thanks to Charles Wardell and Austria-L correspondents as well as the
administrators of AEIOU.


Andreas Baumkircher was one of the most notable Austrian aristocrats of
medieval Burgenland . One of the last of the true knightly leaders he was active in
western Hungary prior to the advent of the Esterhazy and Batthyany families.
He is notable for his support of the Austrian crown (Friedrich III-Holy Roman
Emperor 1440-1493) in its attempt to claim its Bohemian and Hungarian
heritage. He gained fame in the defense of Wiener Neustadt and when Friedrich was
besieged in Vienna. He was one of the mightiest nobles of west Hungary. He was
awarded Burg and village Alt Schlaining, which became his family seat although he
was military commander (Gespan) and castellan (Burghauptmann) of Pressburg
(Bratislava) as well. He has been memorialized in art, sculpture, history and
literature. The Güssing production is based on a tale by noted Austrian poet and
author Peter Rosegger. Baumkircher is an important figure in Burgenland

In 1459, I believe Baumkircher was present when Friedrich III was crowned
king of Hungary at Güssing. My source says: "1459 wählte die deutsche Partei
Ungarns Friedrich III. Auf Burg Güssing auch zum König von Ungarn. Baumkircher und
Grafenecker (Ulrich) waren wieder dabei." (page 63, Geschichte Des
Burgenlandes-Lehrbuch für die Oberstufe)

The production featuring the life of Baumkircher premiers June 24 and will be
presented every Friday and Saturday evening until July 23. See


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