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Sir Dudley St Leger Hill

1787 - 1851

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The mystery of Edward Carey

The reference to Captain Edward Carey in the Manuscripts of His Grace the Duke of Portland is somewhat obscure. Born in 1656, Carey’s (or Cary’s) biography in Volume I of the House of Commons 1690-1715 provides no indication of a link to the Hill family. Carey married Anne Lucas sometime before his eldest son was born in August 1687; at about the time Richard Hill was joining Lord Lisburne’s Regiment.

For Carey to be Richard’s father-in-law by the date of the petition there would have to be a daughter, unknown to researchers, who was born prior to the birth of Carey’s eldest son. Richard appears to have married sometime before 1700 as one of the testimonials of 1704 refers to “his wife and five small children”. This indicates that a marriage with an older daughter of Edward Carey was a possibility; perhaps a child born out of wedlock when Carey was a young man. This does not explain, however, Carey’s support for Richard joining Lord Lisburne’s Regiment, although he was probably raised in Ireland and may have had some dealings with the Hill family.

Borgman speculates that “father-in-law” could also be considered in the sense of step-father and that Carey may have had some relationship with the widowed Jane Hill, wife of the Dean of Kilkenny,Thomas Hill. “But there is no evidence of that fact, and it seems most unlikely”.

In “A Welsh House and its Family - The Vaughans of Trawsgoed”

Gerald Morgan reports that Richard Hill settles in mid Wales, where he acted as an agent on the Henblas property of the Glynne family of Glyn Tryweryn. A number of references6 support his being resident at Henblas. Henblas (sometimes Hamblase) was a farm house near the hamlet of Caersws7 8km west of Newtown, a small town north-east of Llanidloes. Morgan says that Richard married Dorothy Glynne (or Glyn), and an internet source claims that she was the daughter of Edward Glynne and Mary Devereux. Internet searches fail to identify where Tryweryn might be, but it could be Trewern, near Welshpool, which is about 20km north east of Newtown. The Lloyd family owned Trewern Hall until the late 1600’s.

Numerous references can be found for the Glynne family of Glyn Clywedog but not Glyn Treweryn. The Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust website’s “historic landscape characterisation for the Clywedog Valley” describes “the farmhouse at Glyn Clywedog, which was a major Renaissance building, most probably built as the lodge to a mansion of the Glynne family that was probably never built”. The Clywedog Valley runs to the north west of Llanidloes and south west of Caersws.

The Glynne family is briefly mentioned in Burke’s A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland Volume 2 (1835 and 1836), while the Devereux family receives more detail in Collin’s 1812 Peerage of England Volume 6. In these records, it shows that Morgan Glynne was the father of Evan

Glynne whose son Edward Glynne married Mary, the eldest daughter and heir of Captain Evan Lloyd, of Plas Duon (at Carno north west of Caersws), in Montgomeryshire. Their son Evan Glynne esq., sheriff of Montgomeryshire in 1675, married Mary Devereux. The Devereaux history shows that George Devereux married Bridget Price of Vaynor and that they had 7 sons. It would appear that there were at least two daughters; the Mary who married Evan Glynne and Bridget who married Richard Mytton.

Records in the National Archives8 relating to the Glynne family of Glyn-Clywedog, Montgomeryshire and Mytton family of Garth, Montgomeryshire, confirm some of the relationships. In a marriage settlement dated December 1652, the marriage of Edward Glynn and Mary Lloyd of Poole (Welshpool), eldest daughter and heir of Evan Lloyd of Plase duon is noted and also mentions Morgan Glynne who was probably Edward’s grandfather. In another marriage settlement dated November 1673, Evan Glynn of Glynn Clywedocke, esq., his wife, Mary; Richard Glynn of Plasseduon, p. Llanwonog; Mary Glynn of same, widow of Edward Glynn, father of Evan Glynn; Dorothy Glynn and Elizabeth Glynn of same, spinsters, daughters of Edward and Mary Glynn, co. Mont. are mentioned. Another party noted is George Devereux of Vaynor the father of Mary. Other documents, one dated March 1675/6, identify that Dorothy Glynne married Valentine Davies of Ludlow and that she was dead by November 1678.

Richard could not, therefore, have married Dorothy Glynne daughter of Edward and Mary Devereaux. However, Dorothy appears to be a family name, as the 1620 will of Morgan Glynne9 mentions his youngest daughter Dorothy amongst his 9 children. If Richard married Dorothy Glynne it would be more likely to be the daughter of Edward Glynne, the son of Evan and Mary, or one of the other Glynnes of the family. His wife Dorothy died in 173110. Richard had at least two daughters, Dorothy and Cordelia, who married the Trawsgoed agent David Lloyd.

Richard appears to have had no money for dowries for his daughters, but he sold his Dublin sinecure (the pension from King William) in order to give each of his daughters a thousand pounds. Also annexed in the Manuscripts of His Grace the Duke of Portland is a much later petition than those in connection with the pardon of 1704, referring to his military services but not to the murder, and praying that in compassion to himself and his "ten children" he may be put on the half-pay list as a Captain of Dragoons.

Dorothy’s scandal11

His daughter Dorothy was born in about 1705 and married John Vaughan (the 2nd Viscount Lisburne) on the10th January 1725 following what appeared to be a deal of scheming from Richard. An eye-witness account has Richard plying Vaughan with alcohol and encouraging him to stay at their house with Vaughan being “intoxicated with liquor” at the wedding. Dorothy and Vaughan were separated within two years due to his philandering and drinking, and his move to London as a parliamentary representative. Vaughan returned to Trawsgoed when Dorothy was reported to be having an affair with her brother-in-law David Lloyd. When confronted about the reported affair, Dorothy went to live with her father at Henblas, abandoning her young daughter Malet, and never returning to Trawsgoed. She was later accused of having an affair with her cousin Edward Glynne and, in 1733, she fell pregnant which was a cause of great distress to her father. After they quarrelled about this she left her father’s house and refused to return.

The National Library of Wales contains a record from 1732 where Prosecutor Richard Hill, Henblas, accused John Pritchard, weaver of county Montgomery, of the theft of wearing apparel from a stable. No prosecution was returned. By 1740, Richard had moved to Ireland and Dorothy was living with David Lloyd and his second wife Bridget at Henblas. Dorothy died on 26th November 1791 in Wales, “in the 87th year of her age”.

Source: Rodney Kerr c.2010


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