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Border Changes in Cork and Kerry

Subject: Re: [Cork] Shifting of Cork/Kerry county borders
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:27:30 -0500
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There was indeed an area of Co. Kerry in the old days, that was totally
within the borders of Co. Cork, near its west border. It is today part of
Co. Cork. My great grandfather came from there. information below. map
can be found in O'Kief series by Albert Casey:

Called the East Fractions of Kerry. Maps are found in the O'Kief Series
as follows: Foldout Co. Cork, and Kerry, 1750 maps in front of The Ancient
and Present State of the County and City of Cork, by C. Smith, reprinted in
V. 10 of the O'Kief Series; also, map of 1641 after p. 520, V. 1, O'Kief
From The Ancient and Present State of the County and City of Cork, by C.
Smith, reprinted in V. 10 of the O'Kief Series, p. 294, "A considerable
tract of the County of Kerry, called the East Fractions, is in the center
of this parish" (par. of Cullen).
From p.26, The Ancient and Present State of the County of Kerry, by. C.
smith, M.D., (1756), reprinted in the O'Kief Series by Dr. Albert Casey, V.
10, the following: "A considerable part of Kerry, was formerly a distinct
county in itself, called Desmond; it consisted of that part of Kerry which
lies south of the river Mang, with the Barony of Bear and Bantry in the
county of Cork; and was a palatinate under the jurisdiction of the earls of
Desmond. It is true, the ancient country of Desmond or south Munster,
extended much further, as appears by the grant of K. Henry II, to Robert
Fitz-Stephen and Milo de Cogan, cited at large in my History of Cork(e).
Its limits were from the hill of St. Brandon above mentioned, to the river
Blackwater near Lymore (sp? Lijmore?), and comprehended the county of Cork,
as well as Kerry.

The information in this footnote come from the valuable, but rare, book
Gleanings from Irish History by William F. T. Butler, published 1925 by
Longmans Green & Co. The information from this book is courtesy of Pat
Dineen, 25Mar1997. From Gleanings From Irish History:
From Gleanings, Footnote 14, p. 54, "To the 'East Fractions' belonged the
townlands of Ballydaly and Coolecarragh, now in Muskerry, Co. Cork, and
Devilish, Lemenagh, Dooneasleane, Illanbrack, and Baughallmore, now in
Duhallow, as well as the Kerry portion of Noghaval Daly." Pat Dineen says
the preceeding townlands are probably now (1997) known as Islandav,
Loumanagh, Doonasleen, Illanbrak, and Ruhill(more).
From p. 63, "Also in Magunihy, and in that part known as the East
Fractions, was seated a branch of the great bardic family of O'Daly. This
family, said to be originally from Westmeath, were hereditary poets to
MacCarthy Mor, MacCarthy Reagh, the Earls of Desmond, and O'Brien of
Thomond. In each of the terretories of these lords they had lands assigned
to them, free of all, or nearly all, charges. They held the Kerry portion
of the parish, called from them Noghaval Daly, as well as Ballydaly and
Coolcarragh which were counted, up until recent times, as part of County
Kerry, though surrounded on three sides by Muskerry and Duhallow."

From p.78, footnote 1, "Herbert. A portion of Duhallow was counted as part
of the 'East Fractions' of Kerry down to the nineteenth century. I take
this to have been originally MacCarthy Mor's demesne"
From p.78: "4. Of Duhallow. In the foregoing pages I have dealt with
twelve of fourteen 'countries' which, according to Herbert, were subject to
MacCarthy Mor. There still remain two other territories, those of Duhallow
and Muskerry, corresponding pretty closely with the present County Cork
Baronies so named. In these terretories we find a somewhat different state
of affairs from that existing in Desmond proper. In each the subject clans
did not pay allegiance direct to the overlord; they were subject to the
immediate rule of a chief of the race of Clan Carthy, who in turn was
subject to Mac Carthy Mor. In each, also, Mac Carthy Mor's rights were
small. Besides "rising out" and the giving of the rod, he had the
'finding' of 27 gallowglasses in Duhallow, and of 30 in Muskerry."