Track 2† (1st 14 of 34 minutes)
JC:† Ya, Iíve been out a year now.† Working full time for a year.†
JC:† You say Alick (Alex Porter, s/o AJP) didnít joke around either?
Jim:† He liked to joke around.
Grace:† No, heís our sonís son.
Jim:† My mother was over at Uncle Alickís.† Coming back across the hill, there was a big apple tree there.† Back then, there was apples just laying, going to waste.† Anybody could pick them up, whoever wanted them.† Your dad (Jasper) and some of them pulled a joke on my mother.† He (Jasper) stuck a note on the tree, that said something like, ďThou Shall not steal.Ē†
Jim:† He caught my dad
and mother out at
Jim:† Now we canít raise apples.† We canít raise them here.†
Jim:† Back in the 20ís, I had several big apple trees right down there.† They were just full.† but then in the 30ís, 9 times out of 10, the freeze would get them.† Just once in a while,
Jim:† No.† I couldnít set out no fruit trees on that account.† It would freeze.†
JC:† What do you know about Levi (Porter, son of Andrew J. Porter) and his hypnotism?† Did you ever see any of that?
Jim:† He said he could do it.
JC:† Did you ever see him do it?
Jim:† Uncle Levi.† He had a book that he read up on, and he quit it because he said you could harm some people with it.†
Jim:† It ainít a thing, but the Devil.† I could tell you, we had a little homemade stand table, I guess I better change that.† You know, just four legs, homemade.† My brother (Will Porter?) and Wint (s/o Alex, s/o AJP), I believe it was there at our place, and they had that table, I can remember well, if I would get up on this side of it, you know and set there, it would raise up and stand on the other two legs back here, and it did.† I can remember, I got on it and it just raised me up, and it stood right there on two legs and nobody touching it.† Me a sittíin on it, I was just a boy.†
JC:† So you were on there.† They did it for you huh?
Jim:† They asked it to knock a lick, and it would raise right up and knock a lick.† They would ask it with this boy on it.
JC:† What were some of the questions they would ask it?†
Jim:† It was all sorts of foolish questions.† If you started anything about the Bible, it wouldnít work.† It would quit.
JC:† It would go away then huh?
Jim:† Itíd go away.
Jim:† Now my brother, he didnít like Elijah Purnell.† Youíve heard of Elijah Purnell?
Jim:† My brother didnít like him.
JC:† Whoís that?
Jim:† Elijah Purnell.† My oldest brother, Will, didnít like Elijah Purnell.† My brother said to it (the table), or Wint, I forget just which one, ďIs Elijah Purnell a thief?Ē Or something like that.† ďKnock a lick if he is.Ē† Well it knocked a lick.†
Jim:† Ya.† And then they said, ďWould he (Elisha) steal sheep?Ē† It knocked a lick.† (laughing)† And they said, ďHow many sheep did he ever steal?Ē† That thing just went to pecking up and down, and up and down, and up and down as fast as it could go.
JC:† The table knocked up and down?
Jim:† He went to
Jim:† He was a preacher of some kind.†
Jim:† Chalmer tells me that he went plum off.† Went wild before he died.
Jim:† Thatís his boy.† Heís got grandchildren over here now.
JC:† You could see that table jumping up and down.
Jim:† It would raise right up and just peck the floor.
Jim:† I think Wint was into that too.† He was there that night, Iím pretty sure.†
Jim:† That hypnotism can be worked.†
Jim:† Uncle Levi, they said there was some feller aimed to preach over there, and he didnít like this preacher.†
Jim:† Was it, I forget the name.† He said I just took a notion to go down there and keep him from preaching tonight.†
JC:† So what did he do?
Jim:† He won, he said.† The old man got up and started to preach, and finally he justÖ
Jim:† The preacher said he canít preach tonight, and he sat down and quit.†
JC:† They said the old man with the beard, wasnít it?† Did Levi have a long beard?
Jim:† Ya, he had some beard.† He used to come to our house, and he would set up there and talk all night.†
Jim:† It was kind of on people that was easily pulled over.†
JC:† Wonder how he got started into that?
Jim:† Well sir, I donít know.† Ofcourse he went through that civil war.† He got mean, thatís all there was to it.†
Jim:† He didnít care much what he done.†† I know he come back from the civil war they said.† He hadnít been back long.† Some of the neighborís hogs had been getting out, his father (Andrew J. Porter) told him.† They were getting out in his corn field.† So he (Levi) didnít know his fatherís hogs from anyone elseís hogs.† He goes out and shoots three of his fatherís hogs first thing.† He thought he had killed his neighborís hogs.† Just killed three of em.† (laughing)†
JC:† What did his father do?
Jim:† Well, he just put up with it.† He (Levi) had went to the war, and saved him (Andrew) a goin you know.†† He didnít mean to kill his fatherís hogs.† But he just thought it was his neighborís hogs, you see.†
JC:† Have you ever
heard anything about when they came across the river, that
Levi swam across to get the ferry to bring it back so they could get across on
it, when they were coming from
Jim:† No, No I never heard of that.
JC:† Somebody told me that.
Jim:† They was supposed to have come through the
JC:† They came through
Jim:† That was my understanding.† All of them you see.† That was the road through there.†
Jim:† Wouldnít have been no river to cross.† And they come down Little Sandy, wasnít much of a river in that country.†
JC:† You mean they came on a boat down the Little Sandy?
Jim:† No, they come in wagons.
JC:† they came along the river then?
Jim:† My motherís people did, the Catrons.† The Catrons and the Kegleys.† They come in wagons.†
Grace:† Maybe it was JC?
JC:† About a year ago?
Jim:† It was you I guess.† They said, some of Jasís (Jasperís) people.
JC:† Ya, about this time last year.
Jim:† Thatís a poor county in there, that Old Virginia.
JC:† Oh, itís beautiful.† Itís real nice farm land.† Just rolling hills at a high altitude.†
Jim:† I thought they said it was kindly high.†
JC:† That county
(Grayson county) has the highest place in
Jim:† Is it?†
Jim:† I guess it was awful bad at the time of that civil war.†
Jim:† People you know was going hungry.† I know my mother said, my grandmother said that lots of soldiers come in starving to death and they eat so much after they come home that it killed em.† They were just starving.† She said that.
JC:† Your momís grandmother said that?
Jim:† Uh huh.† After they got out that away, that was the trouble with Uncle Levi, he laid out that away and got so he didnít care for nothing much.† He was a great fella over there, he raised fruit and everything.
Jim:† Grapes and fruit of all kinds.† Apples, pears, he had it.
JC:† Where did he have that at?
Jim:† There at home, over there where he lived.
JC:† Over here?
Jim:† Ya, over here.
Jim:† I donít imagine.
Jim:† Well I never was.
JC:† You donít have a picture of your dad do you?
Jim:† I think I do have upstairs.†
JC:† Would it be hard to find?
Jim:† It is in that old trunk ainít it?
Jim:† I suppose I have a picture of him when he was a little boy.
JC:† Is that right?