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Notes: III. The Welsh Churches

1P. Jones:
Annals, p. 573. This apparently is reliable for Ll. D. Howell, the Welsh historian, embodies it in his account.
2Moses Bagg:
Pioneers, p. 134.
3P. Jones:
Annals, p. 575, and J. Edred Jones in Y Wawr, Vol. II, p. 78.
4W. R. Edwards:
Cofiant Rhys Gwesyn Jones, pp. 102 ff. An account furnished by W.W. George, an officer of the church. See also the Cambrian, 1902, p. 96.
5T. S. Griffiths:
Hanes Y Methodistiaid Calfinaidd, pp. 17 ff.
6R.D. Thomas:
Hanes, p. 85.
7See Chapter III in Ll. D. Howell:
Hanes Cymry Utica. This forms the foundation of the account in R.D. Thomas: Hanes Cymry America. See also an article by Dr. Mary H. Everett in The Cambrian, 1904, pp. 419 ff.
8William Rowlands:
Dechreuad a Chynnydd Y Methodistiaid Calfinaidd Yn America, p. 8. This is from the diary of James Owen of Trenton.
9
Y Cyfaill, Vol. II, p. 45. This was a letter from Iago ab Owain (James Owen) of Trenton.
10See the tables of data concerning the C. M. churches in New York, 1842, in Rowlands:
Dechreuad a Cynnydd.
11R.D. Thomas:
Hanes, I, p. 94.
12
Y Cenhadwr, 1846, p. 57.
13
Y Cyfaill, Vol. I, p. 124.
14See sketches of these in Thomas,
Hanes, pp. 86-94.
15R. D. Thomas:
Hanes, pp. 98 and 100. In the twenty churches the three churches in Prospect just over the line in Trenton township are counted. Thomas estimates the Welsh population there at 300.
16William Rowlands:
The Welsh Calvinistic Methodists, p. 28.
17T. S. Griffith:
Hanes, p. 18.
18Bagg:
Pioneers, p. 136.
19Beginning in 1833, Morris Roberts, one of the most noted of the Welsh American clergymen, began farming and preaching in Remsen. Edward Davies in his biography of Roberts gives a statement by him at this time (p. 161). "Pen-y-caerau was our church and the [Calvinistic] Methodists had traveling preaching in different places. The wages at this time were a dollar in Pen-y-caerau, half a dollar in Nant and a dollar in Remsen; this made two dollars and a half for that Sunday; French Road gave a quarter of a dollar and Pen-y-graig, half a dollar or about that; it was a dollar and a half to two dollars for going to Utica." This was in the early days and salaries later became larger, though I am unable to give the figures. Mrs. E.C. Evans of Remsen says that at present the recognized price for a sermon in the churches that have supplies is three dollars.
20Roland Griffiths, who supplied in the Welsh Congregational church in Utica in the early days, was a tailor. See Bagg:
Pioneers, p. 146, and Edwards: R.G. Jones, p. 102. Thomas T. Evans, who supplied in Floyd and elsewhere, supported himself publishing books. Rev. Dr. Williams of Remsen in recent times has carried on a drug business together with his preaching.
21See the annual
Reports of the American Home Missionary Society--10th report.
22Id., 23rd report.
23Id., 29th report.
24Id., 34th report.
25Id., 35th report.
26Id., 40th to 43rd reports.
27Id., 42nd to 46th reports. I have not seen the yearly reports after May 1872, so do not know how long aid continued. It is at first sight strange to see that the records show in benevolent offerings of these churches sums often nearly as large as they received from the Society as aid and at times even larger (Rome, in 46th report). They found it easier to contribute to outside causes than to the support of their own ministers.
28See the Obituaries in
The Cambrian for recent years and biographies in Thomas E. Hughes' and David Edwards' Hanes Cymry Minnesota, which furnish abundant evidence of this. There was a constant movement westward from Pennsylvania and from the New York settlements to the Welsh settlements of the states above named and to California.
29Thomas:
Hanes, p. 98.
30
Y Wawr, vol. III, p. 14.
31I am indebted for these facts to Rev. Dr. Williams of Remsen.
32R. D. Thomas:
Hanes Cymry America, I, p. 97.
33There are less than a third of the inhabitants of Wales at present who do not know the English, and the educated clergymen are able to use it fluently.
34R. D. Thomas:
Hanes, I, p. 98.
35For the facts relating to the present day condition of these churches, I am indebted to Rev. Dr. Williams, who has preached in many of them as a supply for the last thirty years.
36T. Solomon Griffiths:
Hanes Methodistiaid Calfinaidd, Utica, N.Y., gives a complete history of this church.
37See Chap. III, Pt. II, in Edwards:
R.G. Jones.
38P. Jones:
Annals, pp. 573 and 575.
39
Y Wawr, Vol. I, p. 275.
40Id., Vol. II, p. 154.
41This is probably an exaggeration, but the tide of immigration was temporarily low in 1877.
42One can imagine the pangs of conscience this concession to necessity cost many of those strict Baptists.
43
Y Wawr, Vol. II, p. 84.
44This is true for New York State but it does not hold good for Wisconsin and perhaps some of the other states. See the
Congregational Quarterly, Vol, II, p. 401, and R.D. Thomas: Hanes, III, pp. 137-8. It is difficult to tell in what status the American Congregational Church has regarded the Welsh. In their Yearbook for 1856 none of the New York or Pennsylvania Welsh churches were included, save that in New York City. In 1859 all were there of any size but in the list of ministers in New York as given in the Congregational Quarterly for 1860, the names of none of the Oneida pastors appear.
45See p. 60.
46
Y Cenhadwr, 1857, pp. 262 and 385.
47
Y Cyfaill, Vol. II, p. 212; Vol. III, p. 245.
48This information has been furnished me by T. Solomon Griffiths, Chairman of the Board.
49
Y Cyfaill, Vol. II, p. 147.
50
Y Cyfaill, Vol. III, p. 23.
51
Y Cenhadwr, 1857, pp. 66-68.
52
The Cambrian, Vol. II, p. 64.
53Morris Roberts in 1846 collected for Peniel among the churches in Pennsylvania $670 and $170 in New York City with expenses of $44, and in 1857 G. Griffiths reported a collection of $143.75 from three Welsh settlements in Pennsylvania. This was for the New York City church.

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