hello, guest501. Welcome 501 501, do you have questions regarding Ukrainian >genealogy? Welcome szpot welcome to the ukrainian gen chat, szpot. thank you. new to this family from a village called szpoty >destroyed many years ago welcome, jab1. hiyah !! Nice to see someone here !! szpot: looking for info on the village? this is a ukrainian sity but the home village was originally not >in poland jab1: why? you didn't show up last week did you? Hi, jab Hi Michelle welcome, 2176. Welcome to the Ukrainian Genealogy chat, 2176 I have books that cover the areas called Stanley and Gary in >Saskatchewan for lookups sorry Michelle, Iseem to have done it again !! szpot: is the spelling of the village correct? That's ok... jab, we're glad to have you join us!! Charytany village is in same area of poland Michelle - but I can't be of any help Welcome, aliciaw, to the Ukrainian Genealogy Chat Yes I saw a map of the division of poland and the village was >there szpoty szpot: ok. i don't have any info on it. I believe relations were removed, but that is then not now hello, aliciaw. Michelle - it seems the only night I can get in here when people >are here - is yours !! I am interested in Bibrka, Austria szpot, where was the village located? Larger town/city >nearby? hello everyone village next to now called Charytany aliciaw: old Austria? yes aliciaw: old Austria=Austro-Hungarian Empire. aliciaw: Bibrrka might be Bobrka. yes I believe that it was or has been several different >countries it is the same I am sorry - good luck to you all in tracing your families - sorry aliciaw: yes, located in Ukraine now. I have them coming over here in 1908. Do not know where he >sailed out of or to. welcome SMF and 422 I do not know if he came in thru Philly or Canada aliciaw: check out It says in the 1930 census - PA 1909 szpot, ok, I found Charytany, SW of Jarosl~aw in the >Podkarpakie province. aliciaw: why would you believe philly or canada? hunch >* UGS_Terry MOTIONS/happy.gif hello, to everyone i didn't get a chance to >greet. cant find him in Ellis. I had good succcess reviewing a lot of ship records and found list >of family aliciaw: ah, ok....gotcha. think we may have found his wife :aliciaw: where? Ellis aliciaw: did she come over in the same year? Good evening to everyone. I hope to learn a lot tonight. Instead of Maria Powaleny it is Marta Powalena no she did not there have been some ""errors"" with the ellis island records. she came over in 1908 on reviewing list names were right but they changed ages, now sure >why they were not married they met here aliciaw: ok. it is said that they came from the same town I know that there are records missing aliciaw: 1908-1909 you'd be able to use the St. Albans List. my cousin and I are trying to figure out where to go next ok that is new one on me St. albans was the index lsit for Canadian entries. couldyou edgamagate me please on web? aliciaw: ok. don't go away. i'll have to find it on the net. Good Evening everyone hello, susanne. k I SPELLED IT RIGHT! Alicia, the notation on the census is listed under >Immigration/Naturalization column? If so, PA refers to ""first papers"" and >1909 would be the year the person applied. been waiting for this chat for weeks. (laughing) yep, thank you Welcome Mike and Susanne right Have you checked those records? They would list the >immigration information. New to this, taking to do Ukrainian gene. Mike, you'll love doing Genealogy susanne: did you see the articles page yet? Not sure where to look he was in NY city in 1909 yep, looked pretty good to me! moved to CT in 1922 follow the paper trail Aliciaw....census records did you check the 1900 federal census yet? st. alban's list would be on the canadian nat'l arhives site. >looking now. that is what we are trying to do. OK, use the Soundex Terry, great thanks. taking notes here Has any traveled to the Ukrainian?? yep, three times cool Safe?? I was hoping someone might have a suggestion about getting records >from Lviv. I wrote about a year ago, and never received a reply. stayed with my relatives there where would I find those ""first papers"" >* UGS_Terry MOTIONS/happy.gif aliciaw: hopefully, when michelle gets me a >copy of the logs, i'll make them available on the UGS site. where did you write Oh cool Alicia, was he living in Manhattan or one of the >boroughs? I have written to the State Historical Archives many many times >and always get an answer Welcome KE and hairduct I wrote to the Central Archives, can't remember the st -- maybe >Plaza Soborna? I was hoping to go to Ternopol area to the achieves Michelle, yes in Manhattan PA, first papers, you would have to know where the application >was made Hello my cousin is coming on here so hopefully she can help aliciaw: you might have to write to the canadian archives. i >don't see the list online. the address is:National Archives of Canada 395 Wellington >Street Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N3 oh ok thank you michelle: are the st. albans list indexed online anywhere? Tsentralnyi Derzhavnyi Istorychnyi Arkhiv The Central State >Historical Archives of Ukraine L'viv Division Soborna sq. 3-a L'viv - 8 >Ukraine 79008 Tel (0322) 72-30-63 Fax (0322) 72-35-08 hello to all, again, sorry that I seem to ignore you. :-( hello, barb. write to Diane Pelts at the State Archives Can you give any advice for searching in Zakarapatsk's oblast she is the Director Is there any method of searching for a name in the Ukrain, similar >to phone books susanne: do you have her e-mail address? Terry, no, as far as I know, St. Albans lists are not >online. They are available on microfilm via NARA and the LDS FHCs. she only understands Ukrainian and French michelle: they ARE in the LDS? Aliciaw, I'm looking for the address for the Manhattan >naturalization info for you. OH thank you I can check for an email address, It didn't work though for most >of the time I would write, in Ukrainian if you can, but they will answer to >English letters susanne: when you get a chance, send it to me via e-mail. :-) Do you know if I can get vital information from Bobrka/Bibrka ? I made a stop to the Archives when I was in L'viv OK, Terry, I'll look for it aliciaw: regarding info on the st. albans list, go to Thanks for the address -- mine may have been slightly off. Aliciaw, the records are held in the NYC National >Archives. do you think they would be in the national archives in DC too? i think bobrka is in lvivska oblast. ok here it is,, on their letter head archives@cl.lv.ukrtel.net I'll look for Ms Pelts email susanne: is that diane's e-mail? oh...just the general archives e-mail address. Welcome KayT hello, kay! Hello Everyone ok, her business card gives the same email address Does anyone recognize the surnames: PROKOPIW, POWALENY, SOKIL, & >ROMANYSHYN? Aliciaw, the LDS heading for the St. Albans' lists is: >Vermont, Franklin, St. Albans - Emigration and immigration hello, paula. Hi All Welcome Paula GREAT THANK YOU AGAIN Thanks I wish I could print out this chat. lots of good stuff Does anyone know how I can get Ukrainian letters traslated?? aliciaw: i have greatr confidence that michell will get me a >copy fo it. I would like to write to the archives or to the parish and see >if they have birth certs. Aliciaw, there is an index (soundex) for the manifests >1895-1952 fantastic. the L'viv State Historical Archives is really very good at doing >research mike: where are you lovated? Conn Mike, have you looked for a church ? lovatged=located. My cousin found a really great FREE translator on the web mike:near u of conn? My great grandparents were from ung county Not really, but could go it is a polish translator though i am in Connecticut too mike: iwas going to suggest that if you go to the language >dept of a university, they might be able to help you. I'm in Florida Michelle - manifests for what? <---- southern NJ. I found a transltor from my library I haven't tried a Church mike: ahhhh! of course. Aliciaw... I'm going to post the description from the >LDS catalog for you... ""The Soundex index (M1461) is composed of the >individual card manifests (Form 528) arranged according to the Soundex >code. Each card represents an abstract of the information found on the >original passenger manifest or in the case of Canadian residents what would >have appeared on a manifest. The cards also serve as an index to the >manifests for non-Canadians. This publication includes the names of people >who crossed the border [msg continues in 20 se I've also had one from calling a Ukrainian church Welcome Kay, Ct in Washington, Montana, Michigan, New York, North >Dakota, and Minnesota, in fact all along the U.S. Canadian >border""--Canadian Arrivals, p. 4. [msg complete] ""The Manifests of passengers arriving in the St. >Albans District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic ports, 1895-1954, >(M1464) provides two types of lists. The traditional passenger lists on >U.S. Immigration forms are found as well as monthly lists of names of >aliens crossing the border on trains. These monthly lists are arranged by >month, [and year] thereunder alphabetically by name of port, and thereunder >by railway""--Cana [msg continues in 20 se dian Arrivals, p. 5. [msg complete] oh my gosh thank you any suggestions on what aliciaw should do if she doesn't find >anything on St. Alban's? sorry, Canadian research is not my area :-) I don't know anything really about their arrival records Susanne, actually, her family was living the in US (on >1930 census) and had the notation of PA 1909. hummm, many many Ukrainians came to PA to work in the mines yeah, she couldn't find anything on the ellis island records. have you check the Philie arrivals? Aliciaw, a great article on Naturalization records can >be found at: did you check all census records, you did 1930, what about 1920? Is anyone's family from the Carpathian Mountains? hello, ddhillaw57 the lds have microfilms of people crossing canada to usa in early >years paula: i think many of ours are. where are yours from? there is also passenger lists of ships to usa the 1920 and 1900 US federal census records are best for >researching if your ancestor was in PA in 1909 it is possible they arrived >to the US and not Canada follow them backwards from the census Aliciaw, who was living in NYC in 1910? 1920 gives year of arrival Stavne and Luh aliciaw: this seems to be the only info the LDS has on bobrka: >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=261132&disp=Ksiegi_metrykalne&columns=*,180,0 My great grandmother and grandfather >* UkieHostMichelle MOTIONS/happy.gif names? paula: my dad's from lutowiska. Peter put down 1908 on 1920 census Peter Prokopiw Terry is that close to Stavne? My father came from the village of Chortkov, south east of Ternopol Bobrka is in the L'viv Oblast and you should be able to get >records from the State Archives paula: not too sure. have to look it up. would all this info be the same if he was Russian Orthodox it seems like everything I find is for either Catholic or Jewish paula: doesn't seem to be. seems to be farther south. I don't know if the LDS has many for Russian Orthodox what i found on bobrka was for roman cath. records. they have the Ukrainian, or Uniate records I think that has been one of our (my cousin) major problems hello, thundarr. Hello Terry Bobrka is in the Bobrka District they have Roman Catholic and Greek Catholic records I have to check to see what the LDS has on Bobrka I (we) were REALLY hoping to get some great info from the 1930 >census but nothing really new that we didnt know already I was wondering if anyone could help me with this ? My great >grandparents listed their birthplaces in the church records in PA, and I am >told they were the old Hungarian names of the village. paula: what were the village names? Ligetes and Fenvesvolgy susanne: couldn't aliciaw write to the orthodox church in >lviv? my cousin is on now yea :) Paula, I have found Mapquest to be very helpful. I enter the >""Old"" name and up comes the ""new"" one with a map. I was just wondering if that meant they spoke Hungarian? hello KayT Aliciaw, since he was Orthodox in the US, I would >suggest starting with the Greek Catholic records for the village. I don't think she'll get much from the church the records would be in the archives Paula: fenvesvolgy is now stavne Paula, If you can find them on a census right after they came over, >it will give the language they spoke, and in the 1930 census, the language >their parents spoke. I haven't been able to find them.........I paula: i have nothing on ligetes Ligetes I am told is now Luh hello, evan which is very close to Stavne Bibrka are files #253-258 in the Greek-Catholic Church >Registers for Galicia, Consistory of L'viv. The LDS Film numbers are File# >244-254 - FHL INTL Film [ 1922803 ] File# 254 (cont.)-265 - FHL INTL Film [ >1922804 ] Paula, have you been able to find an emigration record? Or a >naturalization record? Kayt is looking at her notes to see if she looked at them yet Welcome Evan nope she hasnt looked at them thanks No, I haven't looked brb. Bibrka also has records under 6238-6243, but they have not been >released yet sorry Susanne, oh really Paula, If you have difficulty locating them, I suggest you try the >geneaology group at www.ukraine.com . It is easy and free to join, and I >have been pointed to clickable urls for this type of info. my Grandmother came from Otynevychi, L'viv Oblast, I have been >able to find lots of records from the LDS I belong to the Carpathian Rusyn Society but many have still not been released, drives me nuts back Paula what is the Carpathian Rusyn Society? :-) Susanne, I have the same problem too. All of mine are >the higher file numbers. :( yep, I think the LDS is only up to about 2575 I have some around 6444 that I need I was able to get missing info from writing to the archives in >L'viv A true test of patience!! I have the file numbers >online through 2615. I haven't checked to see if they released more this >year. they were very helpful I wrote for land records this last time and got maps of my >family farm Anyone else with a question or problem? susanne: how's diane's english? not good french is better Susanne, that is WAY TOO COOL means i have to write in ukrianian? I have a translation program on my computer french is good. How would I go about finding out if LDS has records of my father >village or area?? I write my letters on Word and it will translate them to >Ukrainian it's the transposition of the alphabet that my computer has a >problem with :-) not the best Ukrainian, but enough to be understood but you can write in English yes, i can. :-) they have staff that can read English Paula, how do you join the Carpathian Rusyn society i can do fench. when I went to see Ms. Pelts, I took a translator with me Sorry Kay....... thank you What program is that, that translates to Ukrainian?? There is a link on the website to send for an appliction the staff there is very friendly and willing to help Language Master they have a web site hello, nan Thank You Susanne Language Master from Trident Software, Inc. 6370 York Rd #205 >Cleveland, OH 44130 440-237-1721 Email Trident@lm98.com getting past my bed time Paula, I finally found your Luh/Lug/Ligetesh. It's >located 5.4 miles ESE of Stavne. Welcome Nan MIchelle The Library of Congress can get you excellent maps for free when or how often are you going to have these little chats For a wonderful copy of a map for your town... try writing to >the Geography and Map Division of the Library of Congress they can help you >with finding a town/village..and will send you a map free Geography and Map >Division, Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540 maps@loc.gov FAO Dr >Stephen Paczolt Give as much info as you can on the town ask for older maps >if places no longer exist Give your e mail address Give full [msg continues >in 20 secs] name and address [msg complete] Thanks Michelle I have to go... I'll say good nite to ALL goodnight hope to catch you again thank you Susanne That all depends on when Terry would like to schedule >another session. :-) happy researching!! Thanks Susanne!! I am very late coming in I was wondering if anyone can tell me >anything about Ostrynya? All I can find it the weather. is the weather Mike, what village are you researching? I have the Carpatho-Rusyn Settlement map ( Paul Magoasci). Wall >size So do I... :-) Unfortunately, it's in the corner... Chortkov, Southeast of Ternopol Ternopilska Oblast? Yes,I don't know where to start nan: what are you specifically looking for? I'm not sure, I'm pretty knew at this. It's my Grandmother, born >there and lived in Krasna my lord I can't spell today I want to visit the area, next year. So I would like to get ready. The LDS catalog shows Roman Catholic and Greek Catholic >records on microfilm. you can get there through and choose Ternopil. Then click on >Related Places (upper right corner), scroll forward to Chortkiv. well, it's just east of Ivan-Frankov'ske Do we all live here in the States? Could a person be a Rusyn and a Boyko? paula: depends on who you ask. :-) Oh you ask a lemoo and they'll say ...no. Thank You!! UkieHostMichelle lemoo=lemko Has anyone heard of the saying - ""that is a LEMKO name"" ok what does it mean? please oh, a political discussion. :-) means that the person came >from the upper portion of galicia. Well, I haven't ever been clear on any of this, or got a definite >answer from the beginning of my research, so why start now!! HAHA lol paula: i grew up with it and i still don't understand the >distinction. is a lemko a ruthenian? we have the Name KITT and someone told my cousin that is a LEMKO >name Has anyone heard the name KLESKO if you are into baseball you might have heard it Does Lemko mean that they were on the royalty side of the >tracks? loyal to who? which side of the tracks? what was each side? we don't want to fgo down this road. :-) Terry help us yes? what do you need? Exactly what does LEMKO mean? is it a terminology does it have a defintion we are confused is it a good thing or a bad thing if you ask me, you may not like thr answer. i've never >understood or supoported the who lemko, boyko, etc nationists BS. but a >good place to find out is oh my yes. as i said, i grew up with all of that. I have seen Boyko, Lemko,and Hutsul yep. 3 different areas of galicia. lemko's feel that they are the only true representatives of >the rusyn people. could they have been Gypsy s lemko's? Was Stavne a part of Galicia? yes lemko=gypsy? no. Aliciaw, Lemko, Boyko, Rusyn are ethnic groups and >lived in distinct areas within Galicia/Carpathian Mtns.