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I have recently discovered that Bravenet is now limiting the number of messages that can be stored in their message forum archives. We were about to exceed that limit, and may very well have lost a few messages since they implemented this change. However, I also discovered that the messages in the forum had been quite messed up by Bravenet and we exceeded the limit because they had duplicated a significant number of the messages. I apologize for this inconvenience. In order to avoid any further problems of this sort, I have downloaded all the oldest messages that were stored on Bravenet that were posted in 2001, and have added these Message Archives pages to the site. There is now plenty of room for new messages on the Message Forum. The downloaded messages have been divided into two categories, those queries related to specific family name(s) and those messages that were requesting general information about Southern New England resources or research topics. Family messages are listed alphabetically by the primary family name or first name listed in the case where multiple names are mentioned. General queries are filed by the date on which they were posted.

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Subject: Oldest Irish Grave 
Name: Kevin Murphy 
Date Posted: Nov 9, 01 - 11:30 AM 
Email: kmurph@mediaone.net
Message: In looking over the cemetery info posted on this site, it looks like the oldest grave listed is Mary Ann Devlin, June 29, 1831 at St. Francis in Taunton. Does anyone have an older grave? Since the Irish were here before the Revolutionary War, there must be earlier graves.
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Subject: 1904 Street Map of Providence 
Name: Kathleen 
Date Posted: Oct 31, 01 - 12:42 PM 
Email: witchk11@yahoo.com
Message: Found this Street Map of Providence on the web at:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/providence_ri_1904.jpg
I downloaded it to a floppy then opened it in a photo editor so I could read the street names a little better. Thought some of you might find it useful too.
Kathleen
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Subject: Pictorial History of Fall River 
Name: Roger LaRue 
Date Posted: Oct 24, 01 - 10:20 AM 
Email: ralarue@gapac.com
Message: Hi, My name is Roger LaRue. I am 62. I was born and raised in Fall River and now live in Florida. I enjoyed the photos on this site. Questions: 1. Has a book been published on the pictorial history of Fall River? 2. Do you know a source to acquire vintage photos and postcards?
Thank you to anyone who can help. 
Roger
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Subject: Re: Pictorial History of Fall River 
Name: Sue 
Date Posted: Oct 25, 01 - 3:43 PM 
Message: Hi Roger, Many of the copies of photos on this site came from ebay or from other sources on the internet. If you go to the site for the Fall River Police Department, they have several historical pictures posted. There are 2 or 3 pictoral books about Fall River and its history. I will try to track them down and get you the exact titles and publishers. At least one is still in print, that I know of.
Sue
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Subject: Re: Pictorial History of Fall River 
Name: Sue 
Date Posted: Dec 9, 01 - 10:19 AM 
Message: Hi Roger, Two books that you might be interested in:
Victorian Vistas: Fall River, 1865-1885
Victorian Vistas: Fall River, 1886-1900
both edited by Philip T. Silvia Jr., the first published 1987 and the second published 1988. They are a compilation of selected articles from Fall River newspapers with a multitude of old photographs and other illustrations. Probably both out of print, but probably available through inter-library loan.
The other pictorial collections are published by Arcadia Publishing. They have produced many books about the towns in Southeastern Mass. and RI. Their web address is www.arcadiapublishing.com
Hope this is helpful; good luck!
Sue
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Subject: Re: Pictorial History of Fall River 
Name: Anonymous 
Date Posted: May 8, 02 - 6:43 PM 
Message: If you love Fall River, check out this book:
Images of America, Fall River by Rob Lewis, 1997 Arcadia Publishing, ISBN 0-7524-0826-7
Jim Little
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Subject: Irish naming practices 
Name: Daryl DeNomme 
Date Posted: Oct 23, 01 - 10:00 PM 
Email: Rockdigger@aol.com
Message: I would like to know if there are any specific naming practices that the irish catholics used around the 1880's. Especially the first names. The french catholics tended to name every one Marie or Joseph plus another names. I am partcularly wondering about the use of James and Michael. Do either of these name have any religious or ethnic significance?
Thanks,
Daryl in Vegas
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Subject: Re: Irish naming practices 
Name: Sue 
Date Posted: Oct 25, 01 - 3:40 PM 
Message: Hi Daryl, The Irish did use a typical naming pattern for their children, which was based more on family relationships than anything else. The names James & Michael were pretty common, and most families had one or the other, if not both. Other common names were, obviously, Patrick, John, Bridget, Catherine, Ellen and Mary. I am posting the info on the typical family naming pattern on the Miscellany page, so it will be available for all to reference.
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Subject: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Kathleen 
Date Posted: Sep 27, 01 - 2:01 PM 
Email: witchk11@yahoo.com
Message: I wrote to the RI archives to get marriage information for my ggrandfather. It lists him as Joseph Donnelly married Margaret Wilson Sept. 21, 1875 by Thomas Briscoe, RC Clergyman. My ggrandfather's name is usually listed as McDonnell or McDonald, this is the only time I have seen it as Donnelly. I would like to find out the name of the church where he was married so that I could check their records. Does anyone know if there is a list somewhere of what priests were at a particular parish? Does anyone have any info on Father Briscoe?
Thanks,
Kathleen
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Subject: Re: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Anonymous 
Date Posted: Sep 27, 01 - 2:58 PM 
Message: In the 1890 - 1892 Providence city directories there is a Rev. Thomas F. Briscoe listed at St. Patrick's Church on State St. in Providence. I hope this helps.
Linda
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Subject: Re: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Kathleen 
Date Posted: Oct 2, 01 - 8:42 PM 
Email: witchk11@yahoo.com
Message: 
Linda, Thanks for your response. My ISP has been down for the past few days or I would have answered sooner. I found St. Patrick's on the 1880 census. At that time Father Hughes, Father Hartz and Father ?? (can't make it out on my copy) were there. I will look it up again and get the names. If you have a subscription to Ancestry it is 1880 Providence, District 8, Image 17. I will try to look up more churches and find out the clergymen. So many of us have the name of the clergymen but don't know the church. As I compile information I will see about adding it to this site. It takes a lot of time to find this information as I don't have access to indexes for the census. 
Thanks for your information...I wouldn't have thought about checking the census without your response.
Kathleen
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Subject: Re: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Anonymous 
Date Posted: Oct 4, 01 - 5:02 PM 
Message: Kathleen, A little more info... In the 1880 census, Rev. Thomas Briscoe was listed as the pastor of St. Anne's Church in Fall River. The census stated he was age 31, b. Ireland, and he was living with a James Brisco, age 36 b Ireland and Mary Fahey, age 30 b Ireland. Film# T9-0524, Page 397C. According to the History of Bristol County, St. Anne's was built in 1870. "Then in 1879 came Rev. Father Briscoe, who remained until 1887." St. Anne's was built for a predominantly French-speaking congregation, from Canada. Don't know if this helps or just adds more confusion! 
Sue
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Subject: Re: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Kathleen 
Date Posted: Oct 8, 01 - 8:16 AM 
Email: witchk11@yahoo.com
Message: Sue, Thanks so much for your information. You have saved me all the time I would have spent searching the 1880 census looking for Father Briscoe only to find he wasn't there in 1875!! I guess I will have to write to the Diocese, any other search ideas?
Kathleen
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Subject: Re: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Anonymous 
Date Posted: Oct 9, 01 - 4:08 PM 
Message: Kathleen, My only guess is that if Joseph was married in RI, Fr. Briscoe must have been there somewhere. There weren't that many churches at that time. In Providence there were maybe 7 Catholic Churches by 1875; and about 30 in the whole state. If the marriage was in Providence, you could try calling the RI Historical Society on Hope St. in Providence, and see if they could do a quick check of the 1876 or 1876 Providence City Directory for you and give the info over the phone. If he was there, he should be listed. I would offer myself, but I'm not sure when the next time that I'm going to get there might be. If it was in another town, the RIHS may or not have the directories that early. It might be worth contacting them to find out. Good luck.
Sue
PS I just thought of this; there was also an 1875 State Census in RI, and there is an card-file index of all names. Maybe a call to them to ask them to check the index for the census would be another option, although I'm not sure that the index would say specifically what church he was at. Someone might have to look at the actual census page to find out.
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Subject: Re: Fr. Thomas Briscoe 
Name: Kathleen 
Date Posted: Oct 11, 01 - 1:50 PM 
Email: witchk11@yahoo.com
Message: Sue, I didn't realize that there were directories that went back that far. I wasn't aware of the state census either. I will try the Historical Society and see what happens. Joseph was married in Providence according to the listing I received from the archives. Wish he had settled on a surname. It is difficult enough looking for Joseph McDonald without adding the possibilities of McDonnell and Donnelly!!! Just as a bit of information to other people....the people at the archives are great.
Kathleen
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Subject: 1875 Census info 
Name: Sue 
Date Posted: Oct 11, 01 - 3:38 PM 
Message: Hi Kathleen, I guess I typed that PS pretty fast and didn't re-read it. The 1875 RI state census and card-file index are at the RI State Archives, not the Historical Society. And, I absolutely agree, that the folks at the Archives are great - very helpful and willing!
Sue
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Subject: Early Catholic Churches & Cemeteries in Fall River 
Name: Cathy 
Date Posted: Aug 19, 01 - 2:50 PM 
Email: mbmclm@msn.com
Message: Any suggestions for what Irish Catholic churches may have existed in 1876 Fall River? 
I'm looking for the burial place of Bridget Giblin who most likely does NOT have a headstone. A family marriage in 1873 shows the priest as John Ketty. Has anyone seen this name name associated with any particular church? Thanks!
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Subject: Early Catholic Churches & Cemeteries in Fall River 
Name: Sue Date Posted: Aug 22, 01 - 7:05 PM 
Message: Hi Cathy, I have also seen your message on Genforum and the reply by Kevin Botelho. His info is correct, but you need to know a couple other pieces of info.
St. Mary's was the first Catholic Church, established in the 1830s for the Irish population of Fall River. Next were Sacred Heart and St. Patrick's in 1872-3. St. Mary's staff is generally hslpful and responsive, but I am sorry to say that I have not had the same success with Sacred Heart. I haven't dealt with St. Patrick's, so can't say about their responsiveness.
St. Mary's Cemetery was established in 1840 in the south end of the city and St. John's Cemetery was established in 1850 in the north end. I don't have an exact date for St. Patrick's Cemetery, but I believe that it was sometime close to 1880. While it is true that St. Patrick's Cemetery office has all the records for all three cemeteries, you should know that there are no records for any of the cemeteries before 1891. I have been in touch with the St. Pat's Cemetery office many times. The staff there is very nice and very helpful, and they have given me this information. There is some info for burials between 1891 and 1915, but the best and most complete records are after 1915. If there is no headstone on the grave, it is unlikely that there will be any record at the cemetery office.
I have also learned that in the 1920s many of the graves at St. Mary's Cemetery, were removed to St. Patrick's, although I am not absolutely sure why. There seem to be no records of which graves were moved, and who may have been in them, as there were no records kept of the St. Mary's burials. The transcription of St. Mary's headstones on this site is complete for all stones still existing. We have not, however, transcribed all stones at St. John's yet, only those that have a place of origin in Ireland. At some point in the future, we plan to go back and transcribe the rest. You might also want to check with the city-owned North Burial Ground, which has a good number of Irish burials.
I hope this is helpful, if unfortunately not very hopeful.
Sue
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