October 4, 2007 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:58:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It looks like we might as well all call it quits for tonight. It's been fun. I hope you can all join us again next Thursday night. If anyone has a brick wall to use then, let me know so I can post it. How about you Joy? I'm going to log out now. Goodnight all! FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:57:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nite Gene FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:57:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Gene! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:57:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good luck Gene. Let us know your progress. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:56:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Goodnight, Gene FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:56:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And speaking of bed and sleep, I'm about to cash it in! G'night all, and thanks for the good leads, Nancy and Jerry. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:55:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy certainly passed nearby lots of my ELDER relatives in Michigan and Wood County, OHIO, near Indiana. Many DNA cousins in Indiana, too. Also DROUILLARD in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. Found some early baptisms for DROUILLARD in Vincennes, Indiana. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:53:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Right on Jerry - I'm terrible sometimes. At least I don't have any problem going to sleep when I go to bed. I hit the pillow and I'm out! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:53:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy did tell us interesting stories earlier about her trip,tho! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:53:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: LOL, Gene. I usually have a lot to contribute, but I'm too jet-lagged to make much sense tonight FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:52:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I guess you should not get an internet camera Pat - it could give away your secret. FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:52:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: How can Joy get a word in edgewise? FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:51:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: LOL, Pat. I'm struggling to stay awake. But I'm still here. FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:50:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - Thanks! That narrows it to two born in NY. And yes, they did index it wrong. When I check the two pages I have and compare that census taker's S and Y they are quite different, but taken alone, the Y could be an S. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:50:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Are you still awake Joy? Sometimes when I'm typing during the day, I sit here and doze off. I'm always glad no one has seen me do it! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:49:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Must be kind of like Smith or Jones here in the states. They must have liked the name Thomas, too! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:49:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just like my Thompson's Gene. So many of them all with the same names. FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:47:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another of the most common names in Ireland is Moran. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:47:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: that is the index on ancetry Gene. i did not look at the page. Perhaps they indexed it wrong. Here are the Thomas Morans in NY in 1850 of the right age: Name Home in 1850 (City,County,State) Estimated birth year Birth Place Thomas Moran New York Ward 2, New York, NY abt 1832 Ireland Thomas Moran New York Ward 6, New York, NY abt 1830 Ireland Thomas Moran New York Ward 15 Eastern Half, New York, NY abt 1831 Ireland Thomas Moran Rochester Ward 3, Monroe, NY abt 1831 Ireland Thomas Moran Rochester Ward 7, Monroe, NY abt 1832 New York Thos Moran Rochester Ward 3, Monroe, NY abt 1831 Canada Thos Moran New York Ward 7 District 1, New York, NY abt 1832 New York FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:46:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: From "The Book of Ulster Surnames" by Robert Bell (1988) MAGEE (also MacGee) Taken together these names are among the 100 most common names in Ireland and among the twenty-five most common in Ulster. Magee is found mainly in counties Antrim, Armagh and Down, and MacGee in counties Donegal and Tyrone. The names can be of Scottish or Irish origin. In both countries the Gaelic form is Mag Aoidh, 'son of Hugh'. With names like Magee and Magill the Mag- form is more common in east Ulster and the Mac- from in the west. Islandmagee on the Antrim coast was once the seat of the Magees, a prominent Irish Gaelic sept. There were also MacGees, recorded as Muintear Mhaoil Ghaoithe, an important ruling sept in medieval Tirhorky in the barony of Kilmacrenan. Among from these, the majority of Ulster Magees or MacGees will be of Scottish origin, descendants of settlers who came to the province at the time of the Plantation. The name is found in Scotland as MacGee, MacGhee, and MacGhie and was first recorded in Dumfries in 1296. There, and in Ayrshire and Galloway, the name is most common. These were kin to the MacDonald MacHughs or MacKees (see MacHugh and MacKay). The name Magee is most concentrated in Antrim around Crumlin, and in Down in Lecale and on the adjacent Upper Ards. MacGees and Magees in Fermanagh are mainly a branch of the Maguires, descendants of Aodh, great-grandson of Donn Carrach Maguire. In Co. Cavan Magee has become Wynne and Wynn because of the -gee ending, which sounds like the Gaelic gaoithe, meaning 'of wind'. FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:45:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I suspected as much! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:45:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The problem with my McKee family is that they named the kids all the same thing generation after generation. I know it was supposed to be a great honor to have a child named after you but enough is enough! They say the name McKee began as MacKay or McKay in Scotland eons ago. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:44:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The Galwegian family of Macghie gave name to Balmaghie ("Macghie's town"). M'Ge 1555, M'Gey 1473, M'Ghye 1648, M'Gye 1482, Machgie 1684, Makge 1550, Makgee 1527, Makghie 1617; M'Eth, McGie, McGhie, Mackghie, Makgie. In old Galloway documents M'Ghie and M'Kie are used indiscriminately http://www.mymcgee.com/#surnamedistribution FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:42:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hard to tell Gene - but very possible. In genealogy, anything is possible. ;-) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:41:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm sure glad you found one also in Rochester, anyway! FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:41:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - I think I have McGee in PA, but I may be misremembering. Would McKee and McGee be spellings of same name? Jerry - I have a copy of the original in front of me. It says NY. Where did you get yours? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:40:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: Thos A Moran Age in 1860: 28 Birth Year: abt 1832 Birthplace: Nova Scotia Home in 1860: Sacramento Ward 3, Sacramento, California Gender: Male Post Office: Sacramento FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:39:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's close to the one I found: THOMAS MORAN with father also THOMAS, from Ireland: 1850 Name: Thomas Moran Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Birth Place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rochester Ward 7, Monroe, New York Household: Thomas 50 Tailor ( Ireland ) Mary 40 (ireland) John 20 (Painter) Ireland Thomas 18 (Blacksmith) NY William 16 NY Ann 14 NY Jane 12 NY Mary 10 NY James 8 NY Patrick 6 NY Elisa 4 NY Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Rochester Ward 7, Monroe, New York; Roll: M432_531; Page: 328; Image: 207. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:39:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: They're hiding with my McFarrens FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:38:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - I think it says NY? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:37:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That says he was born in Nova Scotia. There is a Thomas Moran in Rochester ward 3, Monroe, NY in 1850, b. Canada, age 19, making him born about 1831. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:37:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I love those village names in Ireland, too! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:36:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have some named McKee (Scot-Irish) and bunches of them named Blackwell and Ross that I know are hiding under a rock somewhere! FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:36:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What about O'Moran and that other unpronounceable name that also shortened to Moran? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:36:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Patriarchs page: Moran * John B Moran b c1799, m Tabitha Barnhardt in Putnam Co. 1821 - moran [1zcar AT comcast.net] o John B Moran b c1832, m Milly Brown, d 19 Sept 1863 civil War battle of Chickamauga + William Thomas Moran b 6 June 1855 m Mary Jane Elmore, d 3 Dec 1937 Carroll Co. Ga # Carrie Elizabeth Moran b 5 Jan 1890, d 8 Aug 1966, m Forney L Phillips * Dennis Moran, b c1880 Co. Kerry Dingle Ballyferriter, m Mary Kenny - Brendan Moran [BMO23 AT MAC.COM] o Thomas F. Moran, b1906 Co. Kerry Dingle, Ballyferriter, m Catherine Ida O'Conner M-2 http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/m/moran/pats.html FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:36:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: South of Spokane is Moran Paririe, and it was named for the Moran family that homesteded there. Also Moran Prairie Cemetery FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:35:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: His middle name was Augustus. I'm sure he used the A. to distinguish himself from all the others without admitting what his middle name was! And Pat, under a rock with your what? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:35:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: MORAN DNA project webpage: at www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/m/moran/ Description: The Moran Family Project seeks to find common heritage through sharing of information and dna testing. Any variant spellings are welcome. Please visit our website and add your family to the Patriarch Page. Surnames in Project: Horan, Moran, Morran, Morrand FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:33:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do you think he's under a rock with mine Gene? FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:33:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry- Yes, that's my man. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:33:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In 1860 that is FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:33:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everyone - sorry to rush in so late. And if there were hundreds of Thomas Morans in New York, how many in Ireland? Some ancestors just weren't meant to be found! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:32:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene - is the Thomas A. Moran in Sacramento Ward 3 Yours? FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:31:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:30:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Gene, Those Irish sure did arrive in bunches. Our Scots-Irish got lost in bunches, too! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:29:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just found another CONTACT: Baptismal records for Rochester diocese: Fulle@DOR.ORG FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:28:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:28:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, did you happen to notice that New York in 1850 had hundreds and hundreds of Thomas Morans? FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:27:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I am fine, been cool and wet here FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:27:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles. Hi Gene FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:26:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ah, I'll e-mail and see what they can tell me about earlier records there. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:26:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Charles and Gene, too. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:26:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles, How are you this evening? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:25:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Found an e-mail for St. Mary's RSTMARYC@DOR.ORG Phone 535-232-7140 FROM: Gene Kuechmann on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:25:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi - unfortunately, the Thomas Moran age 18 in Monroe Co. appears to be there in 1860, when my man is in Sacramento. I'm not giving up hope yet, though. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:23:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Gene FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:22:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Gene, Still looking for Catholic Church histories in Rochester. Here's the earliest I found: Looking at the webpages on the list: Earliest one so far: at http://www.frontiernet.net/~stmary Saint Mary's Church - since 1834 15 Saint Mary's Place Rochester, New York 14607-1798 Opposite Washington Square Park. Diagonally across from the GEVA Theatre and the Bausch and Lomb Offices. History page: 1833 -A group of parishioners from St. Patrick's purchase unused Methodist Church on South Avenue, near Main Street, for use as a site for a new Catholic parish Rev. Patrick Foley, assistant at St. Patrick's, is assigned the work of organizing the new congregation and leads loyal volunteers in repainting, plastering and furnishing the new church building and making it suitable for celebrating Mass 1834 Rev. Bernard O'Reilly becomes the first pastor. On July 13,1834, the church opens with the first high Mass offered for the people of the parish, named St. Mary's of the Assumption 1848 222 Baptisms were recorded at St. Mary's 1852 Land is purchased for a new church on South Street (now named St. Mary's Place) 1853 On September 18, the cornerstone is blessed for the new church building, with Bishop John Timon of Buffalo officiating. 1856 Sisters of the Irish Order of St. Bridget begin giving religious instructions in various parish homes and working with the poor. 1857 On June 9, the first Sisters of Mercy arrive in Rochester and begin work at St.. Mary's. A new convent is erected just north of the present church. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:19:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll be so glad when he can drive again - and he will be, too! He hasn't driven since the end of June. Needless to say, we don't go out much. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:17:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sounds ike he is making good progress Pat. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:17:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I'll sure hope for speedy recovery now, too! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:15:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will take my husband to the Wound Clinic again in the morning. He's been in a "soft cast" for a week which means tomorrow a.m. he finally gets to take a real shower. They will rewrap it when we get to the clinic. Apparently this type of wound (diabetic, blister, gangrene) heals from the inside out. Anyway he's not a happy camper right now and will be glad to have this thing removed in the morning. I'll just be glad when he's all recovered! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:11:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We are supposed to have a cold front Saturday - down to 65 or so for the high, but next week is supposed to be back in the 70's. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:08:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It was 80 when I left South Bend, IN yesterday. It was "Cold" when I got home. I was cold all day today. LOL FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:06:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think we'll be sending rain and snow your way soon Jerry. I think we had over 3/4 inch of rain Sunday and kind of here and there since then. It's been raining quite a bit during the night. It's actually been cool enough for me to wear a jacket outside during the daytime and that's pretty unusual. Brrrr, I think winter is starting too early this year. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:04:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We are having great weater right now. Mary and I drove to the summit of Pike's Peak last Sunday - 14,110'. There was a little snow in the shady spots. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:02:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, with the time zone changes... it's longer than it appears. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:01:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That was a pretty fast trip Joy. Those time changes are so weird. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:01:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jim! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:00:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night Jim FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 3:00:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night Jim. FROM: Jim on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:59:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm going to sign-off for tonight. Good night to all. Enjoy the weekend. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:54:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I flew out of South Bend, Indiana at 7:05 pm and got into Chicago at 6:55 pm. LOL. (before I left). and then landed in Portland at 11:00 pacific FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:53:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Definitely, but I am forcing myself to stay up until a decent bedtime. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:53:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was just going to ask you if you were suffering from "jet lag." Even if it's only three hours, it's real! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:52:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: and it's only 7:51 and I'm fighting to stay awake... My body is still on Eastern time. LOL FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:51:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It definitely was, Jim. I wish I'd had more time at some of the places, but it was a good trip FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:50:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The oldest had her 17th birthday on the trip, on december 24th 1917. FROM: Jim on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:49:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It sounds like Joy had a very interesting trip. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:49:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think in some of the old studio photos that the photographers kept clothes for the fellows to wear - such as a suit coat, shirt and tie. I noticed how some of the clothes were identical in photos taken of several of our Bauer relatives when they were living in London. The women possibly had their own clothes or borrowed something that was in style from a friend or relative. Maybe the guys did the same thing, who knows? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:49:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Bill karns 2 daughters, my granfathers 1/2 sisters, were shipped off to relatives in Baltimore when their mother died of a kidney infection in 1917. the 2 girls were 15 and 17. Their train was robbed by banditos near El Paso Texas. Where they crossed the Mississippi there was no train bridge and the cars were taken across the river on barges, one at time. FROM: Jim on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:48:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Carolyn. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:48:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I need to go. Bidding on an apron pattern on ebay. Maybe see you next week. God Bless. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:45:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Cool! My baseball playing grandkids would love that! Second in a five state regional for eleven year olds this year! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:43:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: William Karns was a professional baseball player. At one time he pitched for the Baltimore Orioles (1901) FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:41:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do you think it could be one of those that had a ready made dress and hat, and they just put their head through? I read about those from Maureen Taylor in Familytree magazine. Your step ancestor was a very handsome and dapper gentlemen, and the guy with the handlebar mustache looks like one of the old movie stars! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:40:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And his dad Benjamin Franklin Karns http://www.jet-environmental.com/BenjaminFranklinKarns.jpg FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:39:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And this picture of William karns, my grandfather's stp dad and my 1st cousin 3 times remove. http://www.jet-environmental.com/WilliamArthurKarns.jpg FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:38:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What a neat photo. That must be one of those neat ones done by an artist with chalk. I don't have any colored ones, just black and white. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:36:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sweeeeet!! Isn't it fun to see what they looked like? It really makes it so much more fun being able to connect a face with a name! My previously mentioned GG Grandfather looks like Rip Van Winkle, with a beard to match! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:34:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Got some great pictures from a newly found cousin. One is unidentified, but I think it is my third greatgrandmother, Elizabeth Teal b. about 1802. http://www.jet-environmental.com/unk_teal.jpg FROM: Jim on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:33:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, we definately are having Fall weather. We might have some rain by morning from a cold front that is coming in. There even might be some snow in the Sierras around Lake Tahoe. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:33:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: Long sleeved sweatshirts, amen! I have also had my "huggies" on already for outside work. ie, thin longjohns.. Jerry: Thank you. What really makes me mad is that they want to be a monopoly, and many sites do not let you know that it is their fee sites that you are wasting your time getting to... FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:31:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I agree Carolyn. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:31:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:30:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim - has your summer weather suddenly changed to very late fall type down there, too? We had 90 degree days and suddenly in only about one day, we had rain and cold enough for the furnace to run several times during the day. The long sleeved sweatshirts are feeling better each day, too! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:30:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, the Elkhart residence does make him seem likely FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:29:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: How can a person loathe something so good as ancestry.com? I know they are the best, but I hate their tactics.. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:29:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There are 2 other Edward James' but both survived the war. FROM: Jim on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:28:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening. I thought that I would stop by for a few minutes. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:28:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Jim. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:28:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: You bet! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:28:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ancestry does it again! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:28:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's a great find Jerry! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:27:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That looks like it would be him. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:27:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, And we know there were ELDER names involved, too! FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:27:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yeah, Jerry. Good going! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:26:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: Edward James , Residence: Elkhart, Indiana Enlistment Date: 9 Aug 1862 Side Served: Union State Served: Illinois Service Record: Enlisted as a Private on 9 August 1862. Enlisted in Company E, 88th Infantry Regiment Illinois on 27 Aug 1862. Died from wounds Company E, 88th Infantry Regiment Illinois on 21 Dec 1863. Sources: 7 FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:24:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I didn't think I would be interested in the Civil War, but I am hooked on military genealogy of the old wars. Have had tons happen since I spoke with you all. They had a re-enactment of the last battle of the civil war east of the Mississippi, in which my great, great grandfather was the surrendering officer, in Franklin, NC. They also put a historical marker up which described it and which has photos of the two officers involved. It's on the Macon County (NC) museum site (including photos), and the Thomaslegion.net site hosted by my friend and shirt tail relative, Matthew Parker, is now recognized by the History Channel as an authority on the civil war documentation of Thomas Legion and the war in that area of NC/TN/VA. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:21:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: She was only 16 when she got pregnant. (Her sworn statement was that he promised to marry her several times) FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:20:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll try that Carolyn. I just got this information on Tuesday, and I travelled all day yesterday, so I haven't had much time to search yet FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:18:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy: have you tried the Sailors and Soldiers system for Edward's name? There is also a site now that has all of the deceased records from the civil war, but I can't remember which one it is. Try civilwardata.com. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:18:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Edward Leach is spelled Leach in Catherine's suit in August 1856 and spelled Leitch in Catherine's father's (William McFarren) suit in 1857 FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:16:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: She married about 1862 to another Edward, Edward James and they had a daughter named Ella James. But by 1870 Edward is gone (we think he died in the civil war) and Catherine McFarren (the mother) is married to James Girt. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:14:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: January 1857 Elkhart County Indiana FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:14:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Perhaps the mother married soon after the birth and the child took the name of the husband or was adopted by him. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:14:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't know. I can't find Edward Leach on the 1860 census. He's living with his mother and siblings in 1850. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:13:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What year was the child born Joy? FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:13:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy: Is there any further court documents where the child took the name of the father, or did it have the surname of the unwed mother? FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:12:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: Well, I agree that Flannery is a mouthful, so I probably would not have thought twice about offering a few creative names either.. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:12:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The problem is, I don't know what happened to the child. From the father's suit it intimates that the child was born and survived birth, but there is no sign of a child on the 1860 census FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:11:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, he had to pay her $600. And her father's case also prevailed. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:11:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I know Carolyn. Can you imagine naming a baby that? I sent it just to see what she would say. I suggested a few others that are pretty tame - Evan for one. After they named their first child, a girl, Flannery, I didn't think it would hurt anything to make a few suggestions of my own. Frankly, I like Logan but a nephew twice removed is already named that according to Erin. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:10:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: History page has a photo of "St. Patrick Catholic Church, Rochester, 1825" Maybe that's still on the list. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:10:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy: So did her suit prevail? FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:10:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Her father later sued the same man for the costs he incurred during his daughter's pregnancy FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:09:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It was suprisingly "frank" and detailed for 1856 FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:09:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy: you see, some things have never changed. Only our attitudes toward them. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:08:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The gal from the Elkhart historical society (who was helping me with a very temperamental microfilm reader) got a real kick out of reading my ancestor's court document with me. It was a "Complaint of Bastardy" (in the probate court records) where she was suing the father of her unborn child FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:07:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: My only question is: Would you name one of yours that? A lifetime of ridicule would await a child named Preserved Clapp... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:07:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now I see another problem, reading the history of Rochester diocese. The records for 1832 may be in a different location... In 1808, the Diocese of Baltimore was divided into a number of other dioceses. The newly created Diocese of New York included all of New York State and the northern half of New Jersey. In 1847, the Diocese of Buffalo was created with Cayuga, Tompkins, and Tioga as its easternmost counties. Not until 21 years later was the Diocese of Rochester established. Before then, many Catholic people migrated to upstate Western New York to seek their future. They lived their faith. They gathered to hear the Word of God and to celebrate the Eucharist. Parishes were established, often without a resident pastor. http://www.dor.org/DORhomepage/history.htm FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:07:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh how horrible for someone to destroy those old records. That's so sad. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:06:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: LOL, Pat FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:06:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My eldest granddaughter announced this week that the baby they are expecting in February is a boy. She's trying to think of names for this one so I sent her a list of some of the rather different ones in my background. She didn't think much of the name Preserved! Especially when I said she had three great grandfathers way, way back there named Preserved and the last name was Clapp. She laughed! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:05:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, it was fun chatting with the sexton. He asked me all about my family (he's third generation on his grandfather's farm) and was going to ask his grandad if he remembered the blacksmiths in Parkville. He also connected me with the Sexton of the neighboring township because his family owned the funeral home that went back to the era I was interested in. Talked to him, but his family bought the business 60 years ago and the old owners DESTROYED the old records. He said they all still cry over that FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:05:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Riley: I had a similar wonderful experience. Found the 200 year old grave of a great grandmother I had learned to adore from what I had read about her. Awesome. It inspired me to join and contribute for other people, so took a bunch of photos at the Kalama cemetery for people after that. People helping people sort of thing. Everyone should belong to that group. It helps everyone who cannot travel. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:02:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Several things were disappointments, but they were still "answers" I didn't have before. The cemetery records prior to 1938 were lost in a fire, so I may never know where he was buried. Also, no obits from the local paper because the papers for that time period don't exist / were lost FROM: Riley on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:02:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Have a sucess story. Was searching in Illinois cemeteries on FindaGrave and found a family member we had been hunting that past couple of weeks. Bless the person who "just went to take pictures at the cemetery". FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:02:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sounds like Joy has had a wonderful questing trip! They are so fantastic. Good for her. I remember when I went to Pennsylvania in 1995. I stood over my ancestors graves who died in 1759 and a little later, and I was dumbstuck. I just thought to myself that if it weren't for that person I wouldn't even be here! It was awesome! It's like being in another world to be back east where there is so much history surrounding everything. Pat: I'm working at the Port of Kalama three half days a week doing archiving/scanning/filing, and two part days a week for a University Dean who works out of her home and is a poet on the side. I enjoy both, and the people I work with. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:01:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thinking about Gene's query for Catholic Churches, I guess there are alot more Churches now than there were in 1850 or 1832, so maybe they can find a baptism record through the diocese phone number. I remember being successful in Wisconsin, phoning the Catholic Church office in a small town. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:01:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh, that's funny Joy. But, any port in a storm. If they have the records, that's fine by me! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:01:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kerstetter and McFarren - my dad's lines FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:00:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Like going through the burial records for a township... which are stored at a Tool & Dye shop... because that's where the cemetery Sexton works FROM: Riley on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:00:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Welcome home Joy...Which family were you researching? FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:00:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What kind of work are you doing Carolyn? FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 2:00:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It does, Pat. I didn't want to come home. There was so much more to explore... and life is so different back there FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:58:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Fantastic trip Joy. Isn't it a thrill to actually stand on the property where your ancestors lived? Kind of gives you chills! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:58:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh, and I spent just an hour at the Elkhart County Gen Society in Bristol Indiana... and found a really "interesting" court document on a different family line. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:58:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Judy. Pat - no snow yet, though maybe this weekend in the high country FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everyone! Pleasure to remember to be here! I have been very busy. Working part time again, but part time each day, so just enough to mess it up, although I appreciate the contribution to our coffers. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Judy - glad you could join us this evening, too. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Judy! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What I found... deeds for when my 2nd great grandfather bought and sold his land Took pictures of the actual land in Calhoun county, MI (owned 1868-1882) Took pictures of the house he lived in 1900-1913 (when he died) FROM: Riley on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening...wow, big crowd tonight FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Carolyn! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Jerry - is it snowing in Colorado yet? We went from HOT summer to cool (kind of cold at times) late fall - all in one day! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:57:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: OOps, Had to reboot! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:56:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: sounds like a busy trip Joy. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:56:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh what fun Joy. Sounds like a lot of interesting things. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:56:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:55:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Greetings everyone FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:55:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I stayed in Elkhart Indiana and did day trips out from there. Where I went: South Bend, Indiana: St Joseph County Library Kalamazoo Michigan (Western Michigan Archives & Regional History) Centreville Michigan - Courthouse(St Joseph County Michigan county seat) Amish Acres - Napanee Indiana Met a distant cousin in Roanoke, Indiana (Huntington County) Battle Creek, Michigan (Helen Warner Branch of the Library has a great collection) Shipshewana (huge flea market and Amish shops) FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:53:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey - look who's here tonight! Long time no see Carolyn. How is everything with you? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:51:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There are lots of Churches in Rochester, tho: Rochester Blessed Sacrament Sunday 8 & 10am, 12:15pm www.blessedsacramentrochester.org Rochester Church of the Annunciation Saturday 4:15pm Sunday 6pm Rochester Corpus Christi Sunday 9:30am in English; noon in Spanish Rochester Emmanuel Church of the Deaf *now located at 34 Monica Street, 14619 Sunday 11am , Voice Interpreted www.rcc19thward.org Rochester Holy Apostles Saturday 4pm Sunday 9am in English, 11:30am in Spanish www.citywestcatholiccommunity.org Rochester Holy Family Saturday 4pm Sunday 8:30 & 10:45am www.citywestcatholiccommunity.org Rochester Holy Redeemer/St. Francis Xavier Saturday 4pm in English Sunday 9am in Spanish Rochester Holy Rosary Saturday 4pm Sunday 9am www.cathedralcommunity.org Rochester Immaculate Conception Sunday 9:00am Rochester Most Precious Blood Saturdays: 4:00 PM (April through September) Sundays: 11:15 AM (all year) Weekdays: April through September - Tuesday and Thursday 12:10 PM www.cathedralcommunity.org Rochester Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Sunday 10:30am English, Noon Spanish Rochester Our Lady of Perpetual Help Saturday 4pm Eniglish, 5:30pm Spanish Sunday 9 & 11am, Noon (Black Gospel Mass) www.olphchurch.com Rochester Our Lady of Victory/St. Joseph Saturday 4:30pm Sunday 10am, 7:30pm Rochester Sacred Heart Cathedral Sundays: 7:00 AM, 9:30 AM and 5:00 PM. Weekdays: 6:30 AM (all year) and (October through March) 12:10 PM Saturdays: 8:00AM www.cathedralcommunity.org Rochester St. Ambrose Sunday 9:45am, 5pm www.stambroserochester.org Rochester St. Andrew's Sunday 9:30am Rochester St. Anne Saturdays - 4:00pm Sundays are at 9:00 and 11:00 a.m. Holydays are 8 a.m. 12:10 and 7:30 P.M. www.saintannechurch.org Rochester St. Boniface Saturday 8am, 5pm Sunday 8:30 & 10:30am www.catholic-church.org/stboniface Rochester St. Bridgets Saturday religious education 10am; Sunday 11am, RCIA 12:45pm www.saintbridgets.net Rochester St. George (Lithuanian) Saturday 9am Lithuanian Sunday 9:30am English, 11am Lithuanian www.stgeorgerclc.org Rochester St.John the Evangelist Sunday 9 & 11am www.wintonculver.org/stjohn Rochester St. Mary's Saturday 4pm Sunday 9am, 11am www.frontiernet.net/~stmary Rochester St. Michael's Sunday 11am Spanish, 7pm English www.saintmichaelsofrochester.org Rochester St. Monica Saturday: 4:00 PM Sunday: 9:00 AM www.rcc19thward.org Rochester St. Stanislaus Kostka Saturday 8am, 4pm Mass of Anticipation in English Sunday 9am English, 11am Polish, 1:30 Latin Rochester Ukrainian Catholic Church of Epiphany Sunday 10 & 11:30am Ukrainian FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:50:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Tell us where you went and what you found! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:50:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Tired, but good, Nancy FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:49:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, just got home at midnight last night FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:49:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy! How are you this evening? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:49:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looking for the Catholic info for Monroe Co NY, where I found the 1850 THOMAS MORAN entry. Roman Catholic Diocese of Rochester | 1150 Buffalo Rd, Rochester, NY 14624 | (585) 328-3210 http://www.dor.org FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:48:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Joy. Did you have a good trip? FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:48:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat, Hi Nancy FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:47:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I had sent Mike Bailey some of that info about a month ago. I'm glad to see some mention was made of the project. Mike must have spoken with Ray's dad to get more info. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:46:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat, Nice story! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:46:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Guess I should have cleaned that up a bit before I posted it - instead of a cut and paste! There was also a photo of Ray from our web page in the paper with the article this a.m. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 4, 2007 1:45:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This short story was in the columbian this a.m. Spotlight on youth Email This Larger Font Print This Smaller Font Advertisement Wednesday, October 03, 2007 Evergreen High School Ray Lawler, Vancouver, a 2007 graduate of Evergreen High School currently attending Brigham Young University-Idaho, reached the level of Eagle Scout in a Court of Honor on Aug. 18. Lawler, son of John and Karen Lawler, helped organize a team to clean, photograph and compile records for the Old Pioneer Cemetery on Northeast 29th Avenue in Ridgefield. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 23:17:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This answer to Gene's query about the Catholic records came from Judith Fondacaro Brown - CCGS member "I won't be joining the genchat but did want to respond to Gene Kuechmann's query regarding Catholic Marriage records in New York State. Perhaps he will find my input helpful. It has been my experience, as a Catholic, native New Yorker, that in order to find Catholic Marriage records, one needs to go directly to the church in which the couple were married. If the name of the church is not known, or if it no longer exists, then the next move would be to contact the Catholic Diocese for the area in which the couple resided. Hopefully, this would lead Gene to the desired church records. I myself, have had to go directly to the Catholic Church in which my grandparents were married. Going to the State Archives for such information, proved fruitless as the Catholic Church keeps their own records." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 21:42:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looking for more MORAN in MAYO: ... Catherine Moran born about 1845 Mayo, Ireland, village unknown, died Perth, Scotland, father Michael, mother Mary. Married to Peter Mulhearn also born Mayo. thomas moran - Mayo i am looking for thomas moran born about 1819 somewhere in mayo his wife was bridget and had at least three children john david and my great grandmother annie they lived in yorkshire england 1881 can anyone help jean ..." http://www.curiousfox.com/history_Ire/mayo_2.html FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 21:38:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's a nice Thomas MORAN in Co Mayo Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Mayo, County Mayo Moran Catherine Curry Kirwan Mayo Mayo Moran Thomas Derrynagower Mayo Mayo Morran Michael Curry Macmanus Mayo Mayo Morran Michael Currymacmanus Mayo Mayo FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 21:35:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A map of County Mayo with Ballyhaunis listed (several towns south of Knock Airport) http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/Towns/Towns.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 21:29:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Having fun looking in Ireland: Searching MORAN family of Ballyhaunis - "100 members of Moran family attend reunion" .. The biennial reunion of the Morans of Coolnafarna took place recently and, once again, was a very well attended event with over one-hundred members of the family making the journey back to Ballyhaunis from all over the world. They came from Mayo, Dublin, Cork, Wicklow, Galway, Clare, Meath, Roscommon, Sligo, Armagh in Ireland; Newbury, London and Birmingham in England; Chicago, California, Boston and Kentucky in the U.S. All of those in attendance descend from John and Margaret (nee Waldron) Moran of Coolnafarna, through their sons Patrick (Coolnafarna) and John (U.S.A.). Those in attendance came from every age group. The most senior member of the family in attendance was Mrs. Mary Boyle (nee Moran) of Coolnafarna, who celebrated her one-hundredth birthday earlier in the year. The youngest were her grand-nieces, infant twins Cecily and Lawrence Whyte, children of Mary (nee Moran, Knox St.) and Lawrence Whyte, Armagh. The weekend began on Friday, 12th July with a Welcome Home function in the White House Hotel, Ballinlough. On Friday afternoon the gathering visited the Friary and recited the Rosary at the three-hundred year old Moran family grave in the adjoining cemetery. There was considerable disappointment that the Friary church was not open this time around, as Mass here has been an integral part of the reunion over the years...." http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/2002/08/08/story118.asp FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 21:14:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Found some Catholic Baptisms in Monroe Co NY: Nothing for MORAN, but hopeful that another Catholic Church might have some records. ST VINCENT DE PAUL CATHOLIC CHURCH BAPTISM RECORDS, MONROE, NEW YORK http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/monroe/churches/catholic/baptism.txt FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 21:08:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's a nice THOMAS MORAN with father also THOMAS, from Ireland: 1850 Name: Thomas Moran Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Birth Place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): Rochester Ward 7, Monroe, New York Household: Thomas 50 Tailor ( Ireland ) Mary 40 (ireland) John 20 (Painter) Ireland Thomas 18 (Blacksmith) NY William 16 NY Ann 14 NY Jane 12 NY Mary 10 NY James 8 NY Patrick 6 NY Elisa 4 NY Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Rochester Ward 7, Monroe, New York; Roll: M432_531; Page: 328; Image: 207. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 3, 2007 1:48:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene just sent me a correction. She said, "What I need are Catholic church records from NY 1830 - 1834." I hope we can help her. FROM: PatB2 on DATE-Oct 2, 2007 13:26:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to make sure this had posted correctly after I made one correction. Looks good - hope we can help her. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Oct 2, 2007 13:25:39 GMT-DATE EMAIL: patbauer@pacifier.com MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have lots of visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL: Gene Kuechmann wrote: "Hi- I have another brick wall for you. This man is my great grandfather. He has an Irish surname, married an Irish Catholic woman, and is buried in a Catholic Cemetery, so my hypothesis is that he has Irish-Catholic parentage. The problem is, how do I find his parents? Where can I find Catholic church records from NY 1826? May 1832 THOMAS AUGUSTUS MORAN b. New York [calc from 1860, 1870 censuses: b. 30 June 1831 – 30 May 1832; 1900 census: b. 5/1832; Great Register of California, Sept. 1866, age 34 so b. 1831-32; Great Register of California, Sept. 1890 age 58 so b. 1831-32] est from age (67 y) at death, b. 4 Oct 1832 – 3 Oct. 1833 [Holy Cross Cem., Colma CA Records]" Please feel free to come into GenChat anytime and post a query. The visitors love to have a challenge and welcome your "brickwall" problems. If you don't send us something, you'll continue working on our little problems! Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts by clicking below and following the links to the postings. Past transcripts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~~waccgs/p3424.htm