October 1, 2009 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:57:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat, Nancy, Steve, Jerry and Gene FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:57:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Pat, I thought that looked familiar. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:57:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's the one I was thinking of. Just get off 205 and go left. then the complex is on the left not too far down the road FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:57:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll find more of those brick walls that Margaret from SnoIsle gave to me and I'll post two or three of them for next week. I'll try to have them done fairly early tomorrow morning. It's so quiet here this evening, we might as well sign off for the week! I'll grab the transcript and post it this evening - then I can collapse in my own bed! I'm tired! Hope to see everyone next week! Goodnight all! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:56:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - that's where the Best Buy store used to be - it's gone from there now. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:55:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I found another one: Best Buy in Portland at Airport Way east of 205 11703 NE Glenn Widing Dr 503-253-1177 Hours: Monday - Saturday 10:00 AM - 9:00 PM Sunday 11:00 AM - 7:00 PM FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:55:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks, Steve! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:52:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jerry! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:52:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Gene! I'll look at more addresses. I do favor the MacPac in about the same location, off 122nd. They have helped me copy files from one computer to another, and other helpful service. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:52:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Time for me to go. See you next week. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:49:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, My ticket just says Best Buy #450. It was over off Airport Way - my son was driving and he phoned a colleague in Florida or somewhere to find the address for him! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:40:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, I see one on 82nd in Portland. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:40:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Interesting on those Wilder postings. All of posting by that person (32 of them) were done between 1999 and 2001. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:32:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The Best Buy web site lists the stores, I think. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:31:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The one off Airport Way moved, is all. That's where I got it. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:30:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Where is the closest Best Buy store now? I know the one down here in Hazel Dell closed and I think the one over in Portland, just off Airport Way is also closed. Is there one at Jantzen Beach? Or maybe another one in Vancouver? FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:29:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see my fingers are not going where they should tonight with the prepositions. In fact, I think I'll go to bed. I just don't feel like keeping at it tonight. I'll see you all next week. Maybe have some fun stuff about the aforementioned to share. Night all. FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:29:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here is the link, Gene: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.wilder/162/mb.ashx FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:28:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Most of the computer stores will meet or beat any advertised price. Shop around on Internet, print out the ad and take it to your favorite store. It works. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:27:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, My brother-in-law mentioned that one, too! Maybe I'll be able to look there soon. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:27:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: I agree. I have had the opposite result many times, and it a much shorter period of time. ie, far less than six years before someone's email address became obsolete. People forget to update their genealogy contacts. Nancy: Small world, ain't it??? FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:26:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Bought it at Best Buy. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:26:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, That sounds great! I'll watch for that one. Where did you find it? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:25:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, That Marcus does sound familar. Probably a DNA cousin, as some of the Arkansas DNA matches my brother, we think the ancestors are back in Scotland, before the Rev War. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:24:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve, did you find that message board again? FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:24:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, that reply you just received shows why it's so important to keep your same e-mail address if you've posted any queries out there. I know I've received info from folks after many years. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:23:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, new 24" iMac with Snow Leopard OS. I love it. Still trying to get everything transferred from the old work horse. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:23:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, I'm supposed to do that, too! Which one did you buy? FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:22:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is this a new Mac computer Gene? If so, Nancy will probably want to talk to you. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:22:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: Thanks! I can't wait to read some of the letters. He said they started in 1890 when she was only 34! On another note. Have you eer heard of Marcus Maro Elder? He was a Corporal in the CSA 6th Arkansas Infantry, Company A, and the Capital Guards. Born Nove 21, 1829 in Massachusetts. Murdered on "Big Rock" 11/16/1886. Buried in Arkansas. Turned up in one of my military searches for some of mine. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:22:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes Gene - we're just quiet this evening. I'm going up and down the stairs to empty the dryer; put more clothes in the washer; fold and hang up a few things, etc. Just trying to get caught up. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:21:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy - That's a relief! My computer is brand new. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:20:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, we're just chatting very slow tonight. It's not your computer FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:16:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Congrats Carolyn! Sounds great! FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:16:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My computer seems to be frozen in time. I'm not getting any new messages? FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:15:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: I sure will try. By the way, I had an exciting genealogical happening this week.You know the Fleming line I have been chasing for about ten years now? Had a brick wall that ended with my great grandfather and his second wife. This week I got a response to an inquiry I made SIX years ago! His opening sentence was "I hope six years is not too long"! Turns out the respondent was just given his GG Grandmother's papers, which have letters from her to her children. His great great grandmother is my great grandfather's second wife. He's just getting them lined out, but going to copy anything I want from them. We're both very excited, because I probably have things he doesn't, since he's a direct descendant of her (Ladora (Combs) Fleming nee Timmons. I am hoping he will find a death certificate for my Great Grandfather William, which I have been unable to get from either OK or MO. Neither can find one. If I get that lucky, I will be able to move forward. If not, I will still just love having more on them as a couple, and will be able to give him William's civil war information. Should be fun! I'm very excited. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:09:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve - Did you get the name or e-mail of the person who posted? FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:06:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: On the Stephen Lafayette Wilder inquiry, I found one message board where the person doing the post said they had a copy of his will. No luck on finding an obit, however. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:06:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn - Gene, Joy and I - with Steve for the M.C., will be doing the seminar on November 7. Hope you can join us. FROM: Gene on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:06:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I need to check and see what Joy found for me. Meanwhile, Hi to everyone. I just got in from a Share gathering here in Vancouver to look over their new Admin bldg (to be). A great organization. Bill and I were among the 40 founders about 26 (?) years ago. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:03:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Gene - Joy has done a couple of postings for you. The last one has a great link to a lot of resources. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:03:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Welcome Gene. We're all spinning our wheels. What can we help you with? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 3:02:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Gene! FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:52:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: same here. I wash mine constantly, because of being around animals so much, and they are rough, sore, and very UN feminine.. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:50:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did get to visit the RE-STORE Habitat for Humanity and the new Internet Cafe next to Albertson's on Fourth Plain this weekend. That was a treat! at http://www.pdxrestore.org FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:50:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There are so many bugs going around now. Everything I've read says, wash, wash, wash those hands! Don't touch your mouth with hands that aren't washed and you should be able to avoid ingesting the germs. My hands feel almost raw from washing them so often. Guess I'll have to drag out the trusty old "bag balm" that seems to heal anything and everything. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:50:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: Yep, been watching them. Ken Burns has yet to do anything everyone doesn't like. Saw him interviewed about the project. Says his dad started taking him to the parks as a child. Was very special. Nancy: Thanks for the sorry. I don't get sick often. When I do, it really bugs me. (no pun intended..) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:49:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Some of our folks have been talking about the program. We watched alot of the National Park CDROM productions for our [Vicarious] Travel Club here. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:48:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, Sorry to hear about the bugs. Hope they go away soon. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:47:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Have any of you been watching the PBS program about the National Parks? Great stories and great photos and movies. We've especially enjoyed the ones on Yosemite and Yellowstone. We were amazed to see photos of Teddy Roosevelt as a young man - he was always a middle aged fellow with a "walrus type" mustache in all the photos we've seen of him. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:46:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi All. I got a sore throat and "code". Don't know how either. Haven't been around anyone. Have been working really hard canning and freezing, and everything else. Maybe just got tired and vulnerable. People at our little store say it's going around.. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:45:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm back, too - I've had too many things to catch up on this evening! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:42:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Carolyn, How are you doing this evening? FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:28:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops - I hit the wrong button there. Didn't mean to leave but accidents sometimes happen. FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:26:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:26:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat, Nancy, Steve and Joy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:25:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:23:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Joy! I'll send a note to Gene and maybe she can join us for a bit this evening. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:22:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, That was a good discovery! FROM: Joy on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:21:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I thought it would be helpful to know the index they searched didn't contain the dates they were looking for. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:17:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy, Thanks for posting the Florida info! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:16:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The crisis was caused by the new computer program used by Family Tree DNA to manage our DNA projects. They just began using the same Adobe FLASH platform that LDS experimental database is now using. My computer says my Operating System won't work on that program, so I'm supposed to upgrade. From what I can find out, I need a new computer, too! Anyway, the FamilyTreeDNA folks put back the old program for awhile, and they are running both at the same time. So I have a little time to buy a new Mac. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 2:13:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What happened to your present computer Nancy? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 1:54:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've had a new crisis to cause looking for a new Mac laptop. MacPac has one on discount, so I'm talking to my sister's husband in Newport, Oregon, about his latest Mac Laptop. He still attends the Corvallis Mac Club, so keeps up with the latest Mac news. I'll try to take courage and find a good deal, maybe at my favorite Mac store off 122nd in Portland. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 1:53:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We had a good trip but our own bed will feel so good tonight. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 1:52:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Glad to see you are back safely! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 1:50:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I prepared that Wednesday message in Coulee City Wednesday a.m. but couldn't send it because I couldn't hook up to Linda's Internet connection. So I waited until we got to our hotel in Toppenish on the way home and sent it from there. That connection was easily made. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 1:49:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy and Steve - sorry to be late but we didn't get back home from our trip to Coulee City until 3pm. Right now I'm trying to get caught up with my laundry so I'll be in and out of the room this evening. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 1, 2009 1:48:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks! Glad to see Joy was posting info about Florida! FROM: Joy on DATE-Sep 28, 2009 21:21:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Titusville is in Brevard County, Florida, so here is an option to try: Florida Star (Titusville) (weekly, 1880-1914) Available at the Central Brevard Library and Reference Center http://www.flbrevard.com/Research/Resources.html#newspapr It would seem if the newspaper collection is complete that the death would certainly make the news, if not an obituary. Obituary Research Requests If you do not live in Brevard County but wish our library staff to do an obituary search for you, here is the procedure to follow: If you do not know the newspaper or publication date, the library staff will do a search for you. First, check Obituary Research in Brevard County (NOTE: THE LINK IS http://www.brev.org/about_bcl/reference/obit_research_brevard.ht m) to be sure that we have the appropriate newspaper for your search. For a search, send a stamped, self-addressed envelope to the address below. Enclose $2.00 to cover the cost of the copies. Include the name of the deceased, the city of death, and the date of death within two weeks. Most of the newspapers on microfilm do not have indexes, and staff cannot conduct and extensive search for you without this information. If you know the newspaper name, date of publication and the page number, send stamped, self-address envelope to the address below. Please enclose $2.00 to cover the cost of the copies. Include the name of the deceased, newspaper name, date of publication and page number. Send your letter to: Central Brevard Library Documents Dept. 308 Forrest Ave. Cocoa, FL 32922 FROM: Joy on DATE-Sep 28, 2009 21:20:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: First, regarding the Florida Death index on Ancestry... According to the notes on this database on ancestry.com records before 1917 are spotty. Also, the notes at the bottom of the search page say that the index on Ancestry.com covers 1936-1998 (even though it is titled 1877-1998): Source Information: Ancestry.com. Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004. Original data: State of Florida. Florida Death Index, 1877-1998. Florida: Florida Department of Health, Office of Vital Records, 1998. About Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 This index covers the death records in the State of Florida, USA, from 1936 to 1998. Most records contain a name, race, death date, death place, gender, birth date, volume number, and certificate number. This index covers over 5 million deaths recorded in Florida from 1877-1998. Most records contain: •Name of deceased •Death place (city and/or county) •Death date •Race •Birth date •Gender •Certificate and/or volume number This collection of records was digitized from microfiche provided by The Florida Department of Health, Office of Vital Statistics, P.O. Box 210, Jacksonville, Florida 32231-0042. It is important to use the information gathered from this index to obtain a copy of the original record, as original records usually contain more information than do their indexes. Information about how to order a copy of a death certificate is available on The Florida Department of Health website. The Bureau of Vital Statistics of the State Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services, P.O. Box 210, Jacksonville, Florida 32231, has custody of birth and death records filed from January 1917 to date. Death records begin about 1877, but the first state law mandating registration of deaths was passed in 1899, and records before 1917 are spotty. It is always wise to check with city health departments. Some years ago, for example, the St. Augustine Health Department deposited a number of "death certificates and burial permits" written on scraps of paper, prescription blanks, etc., for the late 1870s and early 1880s with its local historical society library. Taken from Florida, Ancestry's Red Book by Lyn Scott and Gary Topping, edited by Alice Eichholz. (Salt Lake City, UT: Ancestry Incorporated, 1992). FROM: PatB on DATE-Sep 25, 2009 12:51:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking! It looks good - see you next Thursday evening. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Sep 25, 2009 12:50:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL PROJECT: CCGS member Gene Kuechmann asks about this: Stephen Lafayette Wilder supposedly drowned March 9, 1885, in the Indian River near Titusville, Florida. The Wilder Book, Spring Grove Cemetery (Cincinnati, where he is buried), and my mother (his great-niece) all agreed that is when, where, and how he died. According to my mother, Stephen was boating with his sons when the boat capsized. He told his sons to cling to the capsized boat while he swam for help. They were rescued, but he drowned. I asked someone to look for news items about it in Daytona, but never heard back. I tried to look online for news items, couldn't find any. My cousin Barbara doesn't find him in the "Florida Death Index, 1877-1998" on ancestry.com. He does not appear in the index to local newspapers at the Hamilton County Library (he was from Cincinnati). How do we confirm the date, location, and manner of his death? Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts with the link below: Past transcripts: www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm