October 8, 2009 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:59:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here I am - back as PatB! Looks like we're all leaving now. I'll post a new GenChat brickwall tomorrow morning. It might be a fun one - a real mystery. See you all next week. Goodnight all! FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:59:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nite all see you next week FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:58:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nite Jerry FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:57:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Me too. Night. FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:57:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: yes it is getting close to 9 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:56:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll say Gnight, too! FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:56:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm going to sign off on this computer and go downstairs and join you with that one. FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:51:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: moisture is supposed to be east of us in North Idaho or Montana, we are to stay dry till next week when it warms up again FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:50:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Brrr. Looks like snow might not be far away - if you get any moisture at all with that cold temperature. FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:48:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes Winter starts Saturday 19 they say for Saturday morning FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:47:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Charles. Are you getting ready for winter in Spokane yet? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:47:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles FROM: Charles on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:47:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Steve Pat, Nancy and Jerry FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:45:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: `Check out the transcript tomorrow Betty and come back soon! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:45:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Betty! FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:45:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Guess I will catch up tomorrow its the bewitching hour for me back here and it has cooled a bit. bye for now touch base with everyone again. FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:43:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ahh, that answers my question just some point left out but very important points. Nancy thanks for the info. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:42:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, You can see lots more clues in that same webpage for the query. It's a good role model for answers, too! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:40:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, Here's the first Query I found online: Google.com search has: Resolved Question http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070506055246AA 3b5aX Does anyone know what happened to Johanna Longstraat Tanis after 1880 Chicago, Illinois? Paulus Tanis born April 28, 1793, in Ouddorp, was the son of Cornelis Dirksen Tanis and Caatje Tijsdr. Heerschap. Paulus married Johanna Longstraat in Ouddorp on December 7, 1827. Johanna was born June 20, 1806, in Ouddorp. She was the daughter of Pieter Longstras and Claartje Venneman. They had several children who immigrated to Chicago after the death of their father in 1870. The latest I can find evidence of Johanna Longstraat Tanis is in the 1880 census when she is enumerated in the household of ther daughter Jannetje and husband Peter Brain (enumerated as P Brain in the 1880 census) Source Information: Census Place Calumet, Cook, Illinois Family History Library Film 1254200 NA Film Number T9-0200 Page Number 379C FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:37:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did not find her in the sited 1880census either with her son in law Peter Breen (spelled Brain in census) FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:34:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: So are you saying her maiden name was Longstraat and she married a Tanis? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:31:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, And we found lots of TANIS names, including her widower, in another cemetery in Cook County. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:30:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, Here's one clue: Researcher said: "On the other hand, I saw that son Pieter's son Jan (her grandson) is buried in Cedar Park Cemetery which is in Calumet, maybe that's where to look." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:28:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Betty, I found a long Answer to the Query and had fun copy/pasting here, but no burial place for Johanna yet. Lots of ideas to follow up, tho. FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:27:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: See I got you guys mixed up again...just not in here enough. Memory not quite what it use to be..sorry FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:25:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What about the Longstraat family did anyone find any clues? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:24:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty - it is already snowing here in Colorado. Some of the ski areas are already open - earliest date ever. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:24:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Maybe Joy will look for Christian Anderson birth record in Norway, now we have a census for him in MN. FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:22:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey I missed saying Hi to everyone, Nancy,Steve,Jerry and Pat FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:21:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looking for Magnus Anderson in Google.com. All three of the named children were born in Norway, including the 3 year old, so they must have just arrived about 1867. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:18:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, Thanks for checking! Hope we'll get some feedback, we get so involved in the queries! FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:14:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Florida is so darn hot it was with index 103 today a record breaker. This is July weather FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:13:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey guy and gals just doing greet. Steve I bet the snow is pretty. Bend got snow last week and it was hanging in the trees FROM: Bettybend on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:12:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I just needed to check in to see what people found on the brickwalls. I came up empty FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:11:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Betty How are you doing this evening? FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:11:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Betty! How are you doing in Florida this evening? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:11:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, Thanks! Maybe they needed some motivation to look further... Hope they give us a progress report! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:10:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Betty FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:10:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night all. I had a full day of farm work, and I'm beat. See you next week. Nancy: I think maybe they didn't look good enough close to home. I didn't know that's where they were. Seattle is only a half hour away, and is a repository for NARA. There is much at their disposal.. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:08:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, Guess I'll let the researcher do that, since they sent the query from Snohomish, I believe. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:07:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hm, my browser now picks up so many images on the screen, it doesn't format very well from the Ancestry.com to plain text. I'll work on that... FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:07:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: try Snohomish County, WA for obituaries. Probably The Everett Herald. Some of the other Tanis family members died near Arlington and Marysville, which are all bedroom communities of Everett where some of the family removed to from Illinois. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:06:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I do have my booklet in a .pdf file, too. Hope that will work again! It was easy to send it via e-mail to the printer! FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:05:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - being a genealogist certainly helps when it comes to finding missing classmates! I have only one out of 416 that I could never locate. I knew her married name, birth date, names of her parents, etc. but have never found her. She could have remarried or maybe she died young. I'll probably never know. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:04:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1870 - in right location Christian Anderson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Age in 1870: 10 Birthplace: Norway Home in 1870: Spring Grove, Houston, Minnesota Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Spring Grove Household Members: Magnus Anderson 50 Johanna Anderson 40 Christian Anderson 10 Ann Olena Anderson 8 Carolina Anderson 6 Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Spring Grove, Houston, Minnesota; Roll M593_6; Page: 1219; Image: 273. FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 3:01:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thank you for the kind comments Nancy. This will probably be the last one. I might keep this one updated and online and just give an addendum occasionally to those needing it. If I can keep it updated in a PDF file online, it could be downloaded and printed in the future. Just an idea. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:59:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I did look at the Reunion Book. It's a great role model for good Reunion Books, that's for sure. I did such a simple one, but I did search for the missing folks, and got some photos into it. FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:56:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Anyone wanting to see the book can look at it at: Reunion Book: http://www.pacifier.com/~patbauer/60_years.pdf FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:55:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: Sounds like you did a bang up job on a reunion book. Congrats! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:54:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Changing cemetery names: http://www.interment.net/data/us/il/cook/homewood/index.htm Homewood Memorial Gardens Homewood, Cook County, Illinois 600 W. Ridge Road Homewood, Illinois 60430 708-798-0055. Lat: 41° 33' 57"N, Lon: 87° 37' 44"W T36N R14E Section 33 Homewood Memorial Gardens is comprised of several older cemeteries and burial grounds. Holland (Mount Holland) Cemetery was the burial place of the early Dutch settlers from nearby South Holland, Illinois and saw its first burials in the late 1850s. The other early cemeteries included Fremont Holbrook Cemetery, Oak Ridge Cemetery, and the Doepp Estate plot. By the early 1900s all of these cemeteries had become part of Oak Lawn Cemetery which changed its name to Homewood Memorial Gardens around 1965. This is not a complete listing of all of the burials in this cemetery. The records below were provided by contributors to Interment.net. Total records = 1,181. Lots of TANIS: Tanis, Catherine Marie, b. 1913, d. 2001, Mother, Married May 1, 1935, s/w Vernon Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Cornelius P., b. 1864, d. 1935, Father, n/t Florence Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Dorothy G., b. 1911, d. 1993, Mother, n/t Neil Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Florence, b. 1863, d. 1946, Mother, n/t Cornelius P. Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Jennie, b. 1909, d. 1986, Mother, s/w Wesley A. Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Mary C., b. 1884, d. 1964, Mother, s/w Peter C. Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Neil, b. 1909, d. 1964, Father, n/t Dorothy G. Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Peter C., b. 1884, d. 1962, Father, s/w Mary C. Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Vernon, b. 1912, d. 1990, Father, Married May 1, 1935, s/w Catherine Marie Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Wesley A., b. 1903, d. 1983, Father, s/w Jennie Tanis, [DH] Tanis, Wesley R., b. 9 Feb 1946, d. 13 Apr 1946, Baby, [DH] Tanis, William, b. 1930, d. 1987, Father, [DH] FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:53:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will finally mail the last six of our reunion books tomorrow. I'm so glad to get this finished! We've been getting great responses from everyone. They are really enjoying the book. One fellow took his wife's book to a luncheon with a bunch of retired teachers a couple of days ago so he could share it. One of my classmates is a sister of a retired teacher (guy) who attended the luncheon and saw the book before his sister got hers! I'm glad she forgave me! FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:51:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: I got the info on the last post from the Glinthorst site that popped up as one of the aforementioned hits. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:49:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: I see that the widower of Johanna Tanis remarried, and he and wife are buried at the Oak Ridge/Oak Lawn Cemetery in South Holland, Illinois. Any chance Johanna might be there too? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:46:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Carolyn, That brings up lots of TANIS names! ...looks like some relatives... at http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/8779/Tanis/not09.htm 209. Kaatje "Katie" "Katharina" Tanis Katie was born on an island. Buried in Arlington with an infant son. Record No #36, File No 1558 Snohomish Co. 1909 Kaatje "Katharina" "Katie" Tanis was born April 9, l862, and died January 9, 1909. She was the daughter of Cornelius Tanis and Cornelius' first wife, Johanna Tanis. Katie's stepmother was Aaltje (Glinthorst) Tanis. Katie had two half brothers and one half sister, Henry, Paul C. and Johanna. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:45:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve: Now THAT's rocket science.. FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:43:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry's problem could have been caused by the Internet passing too close to the event horizon of a black hole. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:43:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Back to STENSRUD research, more problems with spelling: 1900 census (Ancestry.com) Name: Ella Steinrud [Ella Stensrud] Home in 1900: Davenport, Cass, North Dakota Age: 54 Birth Date: Dec 1845 Birthplace: Norway Race: White Ethnicity: American Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1862 Relationship to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: Norway Mother's Birthplace: Norway Mother: number of living children: 3 Mother: How many children: 7 Marital Status: Divorced Residence : Davenport Village, Cass, North Dakota Occupation: View on Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ella Steinrud 54 Amelia Steinrud 17 Albert Steinrud 15 Goldie Clemonsen 3 Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Davenport, Cass, North Dakota; Roll T623_1227; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 19. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:40:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: try googling "burial site of Johanna Tanis". Several good hits came up. You would have to go into to them to see if the grave site is mentioned. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:39:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No improvement Pat. I only see back to 7:14 your time. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:38:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I didn't find a Tanis on Findagrave for Cedar Park Cemetery either. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:36:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: You may not find it as one already photographed, but they need to go to the FindAGrave home and register and have them send out a request for someone to take the picture. They then send "members" if you will in that area a request for same to see if anyone is close enough to the cemetery to get the picture. Might take a few days to get a response of either kind from someone in the area. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:35:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 12540 S. Halsted Street Calumet Park Cook County Illinois USA 631 entries Cedar Park Cemetery, Calumet Park, IL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GScid=105071&CRid=105071&CSc n=cedar+park+&CScntry=4&CSst=16&CScnty=705&pt=Cedar%20Park%20Cemetery& FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:34:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry - hope it works for you this time! FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:33:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I spoke too soon - I'm still here - twice! That logging out was when I posted the brickwalls for this evening! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:33:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Didn't find Johanna Tanis in Findagrave. FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:31:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like I was logged out of GenChat with the computer downstairs. Oh well, I'll just reconnect when I go down there at 9 pm. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:29:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: I think it sounds very spendy! Especially when genealogist usually try helping each other out, and especially the $40 minimum. It is not a service I would want to use for that amount. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:28:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll try the FindaGrave for the Cedar Park Cemetery, too. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:28:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, forgot to list the Interment Net address: http://www.interment.net/data/us/il/cook/cedarpark/index.htm FROM: jerry on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:27:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - I will try that. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:27:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Carolyn, That does sound a bit spendy, but maybe they've been trying to add info with their research sources to fund the Gen Soc., too. FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:25:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - you might have to do a cold reboot. That will usually cure a multitude of problems. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:25:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Using Google.com to search for "Cedar Park Cemetery" and Calumet found: Cedar Park Cemetery Calumet Park, Cook County, Illinois 12540 S Halsted St Calumet Park IL 60827 773-785-8840 Lat: 41° 39' 56"N, Lon: 87° 38' 48"W Calumet Twp, Sec 29 This cemetery has existed since about WWI and was originally a Masonic cemetery. It is very well maintained and still active, with a funeral home on the property. One very unique fact about this cemetery. It is surrounded by a wrought iron fence, with deer and ducks within the cemetery. Any time you visit you can see deer roaming the grounds, and there is a pond for the ducks. This is not a complete listing of all of the burials for this cemetery. The records below were provided by contributors to Interment.net. Last edited Aug 20, 2009. Total records = 14. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:24:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: All: It doesn't sound like anyone is using Find A Grave, Interment.net, or Cemetery Survey. They are all free. Just people helping people in their own area for someone outside their area. I've helped several. All you do when someone wants a picture from a cemetery or something in your area is say whether or not you can do it that time. Sometimes there are others who can do it instead. It's a wonderful way to help each other out for only the cost of gas and a download. FROM: jerry on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:23:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everyone. the first time I logged in I ony saw 2 messages and coud not post one. Internet gremlins at work. Or maybe it is the snow we are currently having. FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:21:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: Many word processing programs can be configured to automatically capitalize the first word in each sentence, so perhaps the email client does the same. I've not heard of any that shorten sentences on their own (unless perhaps they have not wrapped the lines and the person viewing it does not know to scroll to the right to see the rest of the sentence). Line wrapping is configurable in most email clients as well. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:19:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, I'm having fun copying with my new MacBook with Snow Leopard operating system. My son says I must have been using "Saber-tooth tiger" before. FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:18:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: Lucky you! I'm due for an updated system, and I never have enough memory for all the pictures. Rita sent me a USB dock or whatever you call it, so I can move them to another drive, so that helps. Good choice it sounds like. Pat: Let me know it the doctor stuff doesn't work. I have some horse stuff that is a folk remedy that cures anything! It is a very strong drawing medication. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:18:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: South Suburban Genealogical and Historical Society 3000 West 170th Place, Hazel Crest, IL. 60429 - 1174 Telephone: (708) 335-3340 E-mail to: ssghs@usa.net FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:17:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Glad you got to the doctor okay. I know those are dangerous! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:16:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That cemetery is mentioned in the research below: Researcher said: "On the other hand, I saw that son Pieter's son Jan (her grandson) is buried in Cedar Park Cemetery which is in Calumet, maybe that's where to look." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:14:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Carolyn, I'm having a great time with my new Mac Laptop. It copies so fast with the new versions of browsers! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:13:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There are good examples of photos on the page, and some testimonials: ... I received the photos back from Ray Bergman this week and he did a fantastic job. I'm quite happy with the extras he did. In addition to many wonderful photos, Ray and his wife gave a wonderfully detailed information paper on all the people and dates found on the headstones and even those people without headstones. He further detailed a map on the location of each of the headstones at the cemetery. I will order another group of photos at Cedar Park Cemetery in Chicago. Thank you again for all the help provided and thank you to Ray Bergman. Harry in Kentucky FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:11:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve - a couple of friends have an e-mail program which puts a CAP letter on the first letter of each sentence and it shortens the sentence to several short lines. What causes this and what can be done about it? I think both of them are on Comcast. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:11:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Photo page: http://www.ssghs.org/photo_service.htm SSGHS photographers will take photographs that you request of tombstones located in our area of interest. We can also provide photographs of buildings or other landmarks of interest to you. Our area of interest is: South Cook County, IL: Bloom, Bremen, Calumet, Lemont, Orland, Palos, Rich, Thornton, and Worth townships. East Will County, IL: Crete, Frankfort, Green Garden, Homer, Manhattan, Monee, New Lenox, Peotone, Washington, Will, and Wilton townships. Photos will be taken with a digital camera and edited with Photo Shop Elements software to enhance their viewing. We will provide images on a CD so that you can print them yourself or take them to a local source and have prints made. Photos will include the outside of the cemetery, an overview of the section where the graves are located and close-ups of the individual markers as well as any surrounding markers that we think might be of interest to you. We will provide any cemetery information that we have at the SSGHS library. The fee for this service will be $15.00/hour with a minimum of $40.00, which will include travel, editing, and postage. Because of certain circumstances such as extended driving time or difficulty locating the grave sites, we ask that you submit your request and we will give you a quote of the cost. This is especially necessary when there are a large number of grave sites you desire to have photos of and they are located in several different areas of the cemetery. This would increase the cost above our minimum of $40.00. We will then complete the request upon receipt of your check. When possible, you should provide the exact location of the grave sites so that the photographer doesn't have to spend time searching for them. Also, provide the names and approximate dates if known and when the cemetery office is open if there is one. In other words, the more information you can provide, the more efficient we can be which will keep your costs to the minimum. This service will not be provided in winter. FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:10:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Firefox v3.5 has tear off tabs, which is sometimes handy. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:09:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: They do list the titles, tho. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:08:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Databases on the Gen page: Dutch Research Materials Available for Dutch Family History Research in the SSGHS Library. We are a non-lending library - all research must be done on site and there is a $3 fee for non-members use of the library. Become a member!! FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:08:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Don is on medication for a possible infection. It was like a cyst burst in the ball of his foot - what a mess! It happened two days ago and we had an appt. today with the doctor so that worked out well. It gets to be discouraging sometimes - for both of us! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:07:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Oh, Cool, now I see that this new Firefox browser opens the webaddress automatically in a new window. I always had to open one myself before. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:06:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: South Suburban Genealogical and Historical Society Hazel Crest, Illinois New web address: http://www.ssghs.org FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:05:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Say a "GET-WELL soon" wish for your husband, too! FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:03:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here I am - I had to turn on the computer and get everything set up so it would work for me. It's been a long day! FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:01:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: North Dakota Biography Index Results: 2 records Biography Index Records Last Name First Name Title Born Died Publication Institute Call Number Page No Illustration Stensrud A. J. 1920 North Dakota Necrology. Vol. 1. Feb. 24, 1920 to August 25, 1921. Microfilm CT253.N42 1996 60 Stensrud Andrew 1873 1922 History of Richland County. 1977. F642.R5 R53 473 ill. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 2:00:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Same page: Vital stats collections were only beginning that decade. Have you begun searching in cemeteries? Were the Brains buried at Calumet or are any of her other children nearby? I'm curious, being from Zuid Nederlands would they more likely be in a catholic cemetery? I did see on others' online trees at ancestry.com that they'd moved noord before migrating. On the other hand, I saw that son Pieter's son Jan (her grandson) is buried in Cedar Park Cemetery which is in Calumet, maybe that's where to look. I also saw Jannetje's husband's surname spelled Breen. * 2 years ago FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:59:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: More on same page: **** Did a little more snooping and have a little more for you. Also need to clarify something before you go further. Illinois was plotted with counties and townships long before towns and cities grew up. But what they had in the 1800s and what we know today are vastly different. There are several records on Johanna and the Breens that try listing them as coming from "Calumet, Cook, Illinois". This is not a correct listing and will cause you some serious frustration. Calumet TOWNSHIP was a large place. But much of it is in the City of Chicago now...as it was when the Breens lived there on 111th St. There is a separate city called Calumet City (think of the Blues Brothers). The Breens never lived in Cal City, so if you look for records in "Calumet, Cook Co", you'll be sent to the wrong place. You can't change other people's misuse of the information, but you can keep it straight in your own mind. I'm pretty confident that's why records on her dry up. No one's looking in the right place. Anyway, onward. Here's a book you may be able to get from your library through Interlibrary loan. If not, it still may be a very good reference for you. http://www.godutch.com/catalogue/bookN.a… Next, I went looking for Dutch Reformed Churches near the 34th ward (not the best part of town, but there is an enclave of beautiful old homes close to the housing projects that are there now.) I found records of the Breens being members of the Dutch Reformed Church back in the Netherlands. No self-respecting Calvinist would suddenly become a Catholic in the US. There is one Dutch Reformed church that I can find in the nearby suburb of Lansing, as well as one in the Roseland neighborhood of Chicago. Both are good possibilities. Here's a great article about the 3 Dutch Reformed churches in Chicago during that period and the deals they had with a cemetary. http://www.swierenga.com/Faithcrc_lec.ht… This would be a good starting place for trying to find death records on Johanna. Source(s): This may be one of the better resources for you if you get stuck. Bob Roach is a nice guy and can definitely connect you to the right people or resources. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ssghs/ * 2 years ago FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:58:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Same page: Your options are limited to the following. 1. Call the Cook Co Clerk's office and explain that you have looked for the record of this woman's death on the Secretary of State's website, but can't find that it's been transcribed yet. So ask them to do a manual lookup and call you back when they find it. Call everyday if you need to in order to get an answer. Cook County was a wonderful record-keeping county after 1872. 2. Do you know if she was Dutch Reformed or Roman Catholic? Whichever she was, they were infant baptizing faiths. So they were also record-keepers. Call the churches of those faith groups that were open between 1880 and 1900 to see if any of them buried her...and if so, where. 3. You could call all the cemetaries in the area to see if anyone has her buried there and ask the sexton where her death was registered. 4. The other possibility is that she was sent out to Iowa to live with son Cornelius for awhile. She could have died in Iowa...or from Calumet Twp she could have also died in Indiana. 5. Visit the Newberry Library on the Gold Coast in Chicago (it's a non-circulating private library, so their collection is quite rare and unique. They have the Chicago City Directories, all sorts of one-time references, and a full array of Chicago genealogy resources. An afternoon there is heavenly. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:55:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Same page: In 1900, I have Peter and Jennie Breen living in Calument Twp, City of Chicago, Cook Co IL SD 1 ED 1129 Sheet 18 Ward 34 Peter is 62, Jennie (Jannetje) is 59 and their children are Paul 32, Cornelius 19 and Jenny 14. They were living on West 111th St. So as I see it from what's out there, Peter and Jannetje didn't leave Cook Co. Illinois is doing a valiant job of digitizing their death records, but they're not done. The fact that they're not done with the records through 1916 leaves open the possibility that there is a death record in the Cook Co Clerk's office that isn't on the Secretary of State's archives page. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:54:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Same page: Here's a record on her son (who appears to have married a relative) Source Civil register - Marriage Archive location Noord-Hollands Archief General Number of finding aid: 358 Item number: 120 Municipality: Texel Type of record: Huwelijksakte Record number: 45 Registration date: 14-10-1858 Groom Cornelis Tanis Age: 23 Place of birth: Ouddorp Bride Johanna Tanis Age: 23 Place of birth: Ouddorp Father groom Paulus Tanis Mother groom Johanna Longstraat Father bride Evert Tanis Mother bride Catharina Bettens Additional information beroep bg.: arbeider; beroep vader bg.: arbeider; beroep vader bd.: arbeider FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:53:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Same page: Best Answer - Chosen by Voters This might be the first clue. Peter's original surname was Breen. Brain looks much like an American enumerator's missssspelling. Source Civil register - Marriage Archive location Noord-Hollands Archief General Number of finding aid: 358 Item number: 120 Municipality: Texel Type of record: Huwelijksakte Record number: 9 Registration date: 13-02-1862 Groom Pieter Breen Age: 24 Place of birth: Texel Bride Jannetje Tanis Age: 21 Place of birth: Texel Father groom Poulus Breen Mother groom Neeltje van der Sluis Father bride Poulus Tanis Mother bride Johanna Longstraat Additional information beroep bg.: arbeider; beroep vader bd.: arbeider FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:52:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Google.com search has: Resolved Question http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070506055246AA 3b5aX Does anyone know what happened to Johanna Longstraat Tanis after 1880 Chicago, Illinois? Paulus Tanis born April 28, 1793, in Ouddorp, was the son of Cornelis Dirksen Tanis and Caatje Tijsdr. Heerschap. Paulus married Johanna Longstraat in Ouddorp on December 7, 1827. Johanna was born June 20, 1806, in Ouddorp. She was the daughter of Pieter Longstras and Claartje Venneman. They had several children who immigrated to Chicago after the death of their father in 1870. The latest I can find evidence of Johanna Longstraat Tanis is in the 1880 census when she is enumerated in the household of ther daughter Jannetje and husband Peter Brain (enumerated as P Brain in the 1880 census) Source Information: Census Place Calumet, Cook, Illinois Family History Library Film 1254200 NA Film Number T9-0200 Page Number 379C After 1880... I'm stumped!! Can anyone give me any ideas on where to look next. I've tried the statewide death indexes online and to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:46:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat and folks, Thanks! My computer is working great using the MacBook Snow Leopard operating system. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:45:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll see you from upstairs in a few minutes! FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:44:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Let's see if these are duplicates! I should have checked them closer. Here are two more: 8. Surnames: WORTH, OLSON Seeking info about Unice Lillian WORTH who m Raymond J. OLSON abt 1938; her ch were Jean OLSON b 1940 and Dorthy Lee OLSON b 1941. Unice's last known address (1941) was Ketchikan, Alaska. 9. Surnames: ROGERS, DAVIS Would like to find the parents of Noah ROGERS and Sarah DAVIS plus their marriage record. Noah b. 1818 d. 1894 in Piscataquis Co ME; Sarah b 1821 and d 1903 in ME. They are listed in the 1850, 1860 and 1870 US Censuses with ten ch, all b. in ME. First child Walter Dustin ROGERS b 03 Aug 1843 in Dover, ME. FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:44:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The patriot index at the http://www.sar.org website has an entry for Lt. William Henry of VA (1734-1784) and cites the following: "Revolutionary War Graves Register. Clovis H. Brakebill, compiler. 672pp. SAR. 1993. Also SAR Revolutionary War Graves Register CD. Progeny Publishing Co: Buffalo, NY. 1998." FROM: Steve on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:38:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Brick wall #3 for tonight seems to be a repeat of the GenChat inquiry on September 10th. FROM: PatB on DATE-Oct 8, 2009 1:24:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm going to sign in on my netbook computer upstairs this evening. I'll leave this one open so I can do the transcript and post it. My husband is confined to the recliner in the den upstairs for possibly two weeks so I'll keep him company tonight for a while anyway. I'll sign in there just as Pat He had minor surgery on his foot in the doctor's office today (chop, chop) and has to keep from walking as much as possible. The den works out well for this. Hey Nancy - sounds like you have a perfect combination with that new computer. I'm glad it's working so well. See you later from upstairs. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 7, 2009 6:03:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Great! It works! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 7, 2009 6:03:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks, Testing new Firefox for OS Ten. Hope it works okay. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2009 0:57:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: See you Thursday. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2009 0:57:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Great, the Firefox browser on my new MacBook OS 10.5.8 Snow Leopard works fine for Chat! Thanks to my son who gave me a ride over to MacPac store on Friday (122nd near Airport Way. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Oct 4, 2009 0:53:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Trying out my new computer. FROM: Pat on DATE-Oct 2, 2009 17:00:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to make sure this posted correctly. It's looking good - see you Thursday evening. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Oct 2, 2009 16:59:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL PROJECTS: These three queries came from the Marysville Genealogy Group - thanks to Margaret Summitt of SIGS: 1:Seeking death date for Johanna LONGSTRAAT (also LUNGSTRAA) prob in Cook Co IL 1880/1900. She was b in the Netherlands abt 1803 and emigrated to USA with son Cornelius TANIS abt 1875. 1880 Census for Cook Co IL lists her with dau Jane and son in law Peter BREEN (spelled BRAIN in census). 2: Need complete family info for Christian ANDERSON who m Ella Johnson STENSRUD abt 1880 and lived in Spring Grove, Houston Co MN. By Ella he had ch Andrew, Albert and Amelia who went by surname STENSRUD according to Fargo ND census. The story goes that Christian left home to collect a load of wood and never came back; he may have done this to more than one wife and kids. Have no marriage/divorce records. 3: Seeking info about William HENRY, bro of patriot Patrick HENRY. William b VA abt 1730 and moved to TN where he started a newspaper. Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts with the link below: Past transcripts: www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm