December 11, 2008 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: Pat on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:58:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like it's time to call it quits for this week. It's been fun and there's a lot of information for everyone. I'm going to log out now and will see you all next week. Goodnight all! Have a good week. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:56:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jerry! Gnight all! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:56:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I might be able to find some in 1841 and 1851 Scotland. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:56:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, I think I will go. See you all next week. FROM: Pat on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:56:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will probably post the brick wall for next week about 6am tomorrow. It's an interesting one and one of those wanting help is from England. Her cousin lives here in WA state. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:55:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Reminds me I should go through those 1853 names in the Presbyterian church history, and see where I can find those in the UK census... FROM: Pat on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:52:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops - I got bounced out when I hit the wrong key! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:47:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1. F8 Book: Darwin, C. R. ed. 1838-1843. The zoology of the voyage of H.M.S. Beagle, under the command of Captain FitzRoy, during the years 1832 to 1836. London: Smith: Elder and Co. Published in 19 issues forming 5 parts. 2. F9 Book: Darwin, C. R. ed. [1838] 1839-1843. The zoology of the voyage of HMS Beagle, under the command of Captain FitzRoy RN, during the years 1832 to 1836. Edited and superintended by Charles Darwin. London: Smith Elder and Co. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:45:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Darwin published by Smith Elder Letter 659 — Darwin, C. R. to Smith, Elder & Co., 21 Jan [1843] Summary Discusses his account. Sends addresses [for subscribers to Zoology]. http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/darwinletters/calendar/entry-659.html FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:43:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Banff harbor: FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:39:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Banff Scotland churchyard has a George ELDER in bio for "Smith and ELDER" publishing of London. Could be a relative of his, too. 49) In memory of Adam Elder, who died June 21st, 1829, aged 82, and of Ann, his wife, who died April 25th, 1821, aged 69, also of George Elder, son of the above, who died March 3, 1853, aged 60, and of Margaret, his wife, who died January 27th, 1837, aged 36, and of their son George Elder, who died August 2Ist, 1849, aged 21. "Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord."* *" Adam Elder, although a poor man, and labouring in his humble craft for his daily bread, had a pride in giving his sons a fair education easily accessible at that time, as it still is, at our Banff Academy. Alexander, third son of Adam, thus prepared entered the establishment of the Messrs. Imlach, carrying on various branches of book selling business in Banff. Remaining in their employment for some ten years, and gaining a character for steadiness and capacity these gentlemen urged his moving to London, and handed him over to a friend who had bought up, and succeeded to the great publishing and bookselling house of Vernor, Hood and Sharp. Here our Banff man acquired a thorough knowledge of London work and habits, and promotion was sought for in another house. About the same period that Elder commenced London life, a youth of the name of Smith was consigned to the tender mercies of the same party in town by the well-known bookseller in Elgin, Mr. Isaac Forsyth. Smith followed pretty much the same course as his Banff compeer; and the two finally, united in opening a publishing house of their own in Fenchurch Street. . . . All the world knows that Smith and Elder have for many years carried on one of the first Publishing Establishments in the metropolis." (Imlach's "Chronicles.") Alexander Elder died in February, 1876, at the age of 86 years. James Gordon Smith died in London in March, 1873. He is said to have been also a native of Banff, and left Mr. Imlach's book shop in Low Street Banff, about 1836. He aided in building up the firm of Messrs. Smith, Elder and Co., publishers, Cornhill, and will long be remembered for the generosity and encouragement he showed to north country men when they came to reside in London [George Smith, Sr. and Jr. were publishers with Alexander Elder in London] [See "The House of Smith Elder" by Leonard Huxley, London, 1923] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Banff.htm FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:39:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The info on a census record is only as accurate as the knowledge of the person giving the information. My own great grandmother on one census record had her father's birth place as England and her mother's as Ireland. Actually, the ancestors (grandparents maybe) of each of them came from those countries. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:35:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another Scotland clue in a census: Name: Mary C Riker [Mary C Elder] Home in 1900: Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut Age: 29 Birth Date: Sep 1870 Birthplace: New York Race: White Ethnicity: American Relationship to head-of-house: Wife Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: New York Mother: number of living children: 2 Mother: How many children: 2 Spouse's Name: Edward W Marriage Year: 1896 Marital Status: Married Years Married: 4 Residence : Stamford City, Fairfield, Connecticut Household Members: Name Age Edward W Riker 48 Mary C Riker 29 John Riker 2 Doris Riker 1 Nellie Hurley 33 Bessie Martin 29 Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut; Roll: T623 135; Page: 6B; FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:33:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: LDS 1880 census (b. 1802 NY, his father b. Eng) Household: George ELDER Self M Male W 78 NY Retired Merchant ENGLAND NY Hannah E. ELDER Wife M Female W 73 NY Keeping House NY NY Mary L. HAVEMEYER Dau M Female W 34 NY NY NY Cornelia D. ELDER Dau S Female W 38 NY NY NY Nancy FINCH Other S Female W 83 NY NY NY Teressa HERAN Other S Female W 20 IRELAND Servant IRELAND IRELAND Catherine MCCAFFERY Other S Female W 64 IRELAND Servant IRELAND IRELAND Bridget LEONARD Other S Female W 30 IRELAND Servant IRELAND IRELAND Source Information: Census Place Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut Family History Library Film 1254096 NA Film Number T9-0096 Page Number 291B FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:31:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1860 Name: George Elder Age in 1860: 59 Birth Year: abt 1801 Birthplace: New York Home in 1860: Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut Gender: Male Post Office: Stamford Household Members: Name Age George Elder 59 NY Merchant Hannah E Elder 53 NY Daniel R Elder 21 NY Merchant Cornelia D Elder 15 Mary L Elder 14 Jane P Elder 11 Catherine McCaffrey 50 Bridget Hammond 26 Fanny Mc Kay 24 Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut; Roll: M653_76; Page: 781; Image: 288. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:28:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I'd like to find out what relationship I am to George W. ELDER. I'm betting his Ancestor really came from Scotland, not ENG as the census says. Found a nice Presbyterian clue for that origin! History of Stamford, Connecticut By Elijah Baldwin Huntington Page 336 FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH OF STAMFORD. The first records of any movement towards organizing a Presbyterian church in Stamford, are found among the records of the Congregational church. After the communion service of Jan. 2, 1853, in a church meeting, the following members of the Congregational church called for letters of dismission from the church, to constitute a Presbyterian church about to be formed. Augustus R. Moen, Alexander Milne, George Elder, James D. Haff, Luke Baker, Hiram Warner, James Robinson, John Holmes, Mrs. Sophia A. Moen, Miss Cornelia A. Moen, Hannah E. Elder, Mrs. Mary E. Haff, Mrs. Almira Baker, Mrs. Sophia Warner, Miss Elizabeth M. Warner, Mrs. Georgette A. Robinson, Mrs. Catherine Helmes. Letters of dismission were voted to these members of the church according to the rules of the church, Jan. 16, 1853. During the next few weeks similar letters were given to the following members of the Congregational church : Wells R. Ritch, Mary Ann Sturges, Elizabeth Sturges, Mrs. Amzi Ayres, Miss Matilda Moen, Mrs. Sarah A. Ritch, Miss Sarah L. Ritch. This church was organized Feb. 25, 1853 with twenty-six members... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:25:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My Latest ELDER DNA Summary Dec. 2008 69 ELDER DNA kits are now divided into at least 6 separate groups by their DNA matches, plus others that don't match any ELDER group. 1. FRANKLIN CO PA group: 24 matching entries Includes known descendants of "ROBERT ELDER d. 1807 FRANKLIN CO PA." Also includes 4 descendants of "GEORGE ELDER, d. 1800 Bedford Co PA," and one known descendant of "DAVID ELDER and MARGERY STEWART" - FRANKLIN CO PA. (Those 3 Rev. War Soldiers could be brothers.) Others matching: JAMES ELDER SR. of Clarion Co PA JOHN ELDER, Mercer Co PA JOHN ELDER, Beaver Co PA JAMES AND JOHN ELDER of RANDOLPH CO NC ANDREW R. ELDER- March 15,1795 -July 1854 in Alexander County, NC JOHN ELDER, res. Iredell Co NC 1800 SAMUEL ELDER, Sevier Co TN JACOB ELDER d. 1818 Lincoln Co KY JOHN ELDER, b. abt 1814 NC James Elder, d. 1991 WI **** 2. GLASGOW group: 5 Newly traced Descendants from Scotland. (Not matching other ELDER lines) **** 3. MAINE ELDER group (4 entries): #23005 A. SAMUEL TYNG ELDER (matches 12/12, 35/37, 64/67 with England) b. 1784 Portland, Cumberland, ME, d. 1829 Moss Point, Jackson Co., MS #20923 B. ANDREW ELDER d. 1807 Madison Co., KY #87786 C. ALEXANDER ELDER,b. 1796, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England #100589 D. GEORGE ELDER (b. 1811 E. Anstruther, Fife - d. Ontario, Canada) JOHN ELDER (b. 1769 Crail, Fife) may be related to JOHN ELDER, b. 1806 Crail, Fife - immigr. NJ/CT **** 4. PAXTANG PA: 6 entries ANCESTOR and RELATIVE: A."ROBERT ELDER, b. 1679 Scotland-- d. PAXTANG PA" (3 entries) [his son "Rev. John ELDER of PAXTANG"] [Excellent Descendant's paper trail with DNA to match this very different "I = VIKING HAPLOGROUP"] B."Robert Scott ELDER" --his ELDER family still lives in ELDERS RIDGE PA--they have an ELDER family BIBLE to prove he is the 10th ROBERT in the PAXTANG line. C. JOHN ELDER of BALLYMONEY, Co. ANTRIM, Northern Ireland (2) D. ROBERT ELDER of Inch Island, Co. Donegal, Ireland E. Robert H. ELDER, b. abt 1828 Indiana Co PA d. 1892 Dallas County Iowa F. William Hoyt Elder, b. 1867, Spartanburg, SC matches 66/67-- STEWART #5830, 36246, etc. **** 5. PETER ELDER of VA group: 7 entries Excellent paper trails for these matching entries. (Lee ELDER book) **** 6. WILLIAM ELDER (Catholic of Frederick Co MD): 5 entries Excellent paper trail for 4 of these matching entries. Other ELDER researchers have known CATHOLIC paper trails. 7. More Different ELDER DNA in file which doesn't match any ELDER, some of them in Scotland! FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:25:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What relationship are you to George W. Elder? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:24:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nice picture Nancy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:22:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another ship photo, Notes From album entitled: A Souvenir of the Harriman Alaska Expedition, May - August, 1899. Volume 1, New York to Cook Inlet, leaf 36 Caption on image: The Elder in Glacier Bay Photograph taken by Edward S. Curtis, official photographer, member of the 1899 Harriman Alaska Expedition. photo: http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/harriman&CISOPTR=24 &CISOBOX=1&REC=18 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:19:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, That was done by one of the famous science photographers on the trip, too. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:18:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was looking through the photos of the Elder ship - interesting and so clear. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:10:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The photo on the book is better, tho. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:10:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steamship photo 1899 at Photos from the Harriman Expedition to Alaska 1899 Including activities aboard the Steamship George W. ELDER Digital Collection of University of Washington Libraries webpage. Summary of Harriman Expedition to Alaska, 1899 Digital Collection of University of Washington Libraries webpage at http://content.lib.washington.edu/harrimanweb "Railroad magnate Edward H. Harriman led a team of twenty-three scientists, including the great naturalist John Muir, on a two month expedition to explore the waters and coastal territory of Alaska. Over 5,000 photographs were taken during the voyage and were used to compile the souvenir album of the expedition presented here with 254 of those images ." FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:08:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's quite a building - it really stands out on the waterfront. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:07:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That would be a good family to find as ancestors. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:07:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Photos of the HAVEMEYER and ELDER Sugar Refining Company in NY - 1890 292-350 Kent Avenue, bet. S. 5th and S. 2nd Sts. W side Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on the East River, article on closure (with Domino Sign) at http://www.nyc-architecture.com/WBG/wbg025.htm FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:06:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We probably won't find Deloras, Delores, Dolores, Doloras, etc. until she dies! I would imagine her SS number was issued either in WA or OR. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:06:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'd like to have some DNA for the NY ELDER folks. NY Times, Nov. 16, 1881 Miss Ellen Therese Cadwell, the only daughter of Mr.S.W. Cadwell, was married yesterday afternoon at her father's residence, No. 770 Madison-avenue to Mr.George W. Elder. The ceremony was performed by the Rev. Dr.Cook of St. Bartholomew's (Episcopal) Church. ...Betwen 600 and 800 invitations.... Guests included Mr. & Mrs. William H Vanderbilt and Miss Vanderbilt... Gifts..a hammered silver centre-piece from Miss Vanderbilt... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:03:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Do you have a DNA webpage? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:02:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My FamilyTreeDNA webpage is http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder FROM: Steve on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:02:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Only one Delores born on that date in the SSDI, but the middle initial does not match and the SSN was issued in ND. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:01:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I manually typed in my brother's 67 markers copied from FamilyTreeDNA to AncestryDNA.com webpage, so others could compare those. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 4:00:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I also have an ELDER DNA webpage on AncestryDNA.com with about 12 participants, some with Ancestry DNA markers to compare. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:59:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: RE: Steamship I found a small book in Ft. Vancouver library titled: Green Alaska, by Nancy Lord, with the Steamship George W. ELDER on the cover. The author lives in Alaska, and I liked her update of Muir's quotes and the observations of the places they travelled. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:58:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes Nancy, though there are other options acceptable to the group. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:56:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Will that be with Family Tree DNA in Houston, TX, too? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:55:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Also made more notes for the Steamship "George W. ELDER" after a query, where they found me through this CCGS Chat posting, and their contact first with Pat. Steamship webpage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Steamshi pGeorgeWElder.htm FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:54:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Goodnight Charles - stay warm! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:54:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night Charles FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:53:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I like that castle - but surely glad I don't have to clean house there! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:53:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I am going to join a DnA group next month. I hope I have as much success as you. FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:53:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: got to go, see you next week FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:52:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, again, that was a link for the castle which the Countess of Sutherland lives in. My notes for Sutherland at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/Sutherlan d.htm FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:52:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy - and anyone else who wants to work on this! I have only one person I've never found of the 416 graduates. This is the info I have in my files: Not sure of the spelling of her first name. But I did find her married name was Haskins or Hankins. Deloras or Delores Rose Anderson Birthdate: 8-04-1931 Delores Rose Anderson has never been located. Her father's name was Axel T. Anderson and her mother was Helen. They lived at 5219 East 10th when she was going to VHS. This address no longer exists. Her father might have died June 4, 1950 in Vancouver Another Axel T. Anderson died in Seattle, WA on Oct 8, 1968. Also, Helen Anderson died in Seattle, WA on Feb 3, 1968. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:51:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: oops, Sutherland Co Scotland I made more notes at http://www.scotlandvacations.com/DunrobinCastle.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:50:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I've been talking to a new ELDER researcher, who has been asking about ELDER in Sutherland County, s FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:42:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi again Charles FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:41:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: re hi Jerry FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:37:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Right now, this is the only one of the returned letters that I haven't remailed. Incidentally, I talked with the daughter of Betty Eastman Billingsley Monday and she verified her mom's address. Betty had lived in the same home in Auburn since the 1950's through three marriages. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:35:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: An interesting fact - I first obtained his address through Bev Nicholas - the one whose death you found last week. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:34:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll add the e-mail address to my records and will try that, if all else fails. FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:32:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There's an email address for that place: raustin@househounds.com Maybe Richie is his son? FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:32:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will try the Hawkins address first, then, if that letter comes back, I'll try the Gramling St address. FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:31:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Contact HouseHounds.com, Richie Austin +1 770 428 9004, Fax: +1 770 428 8834 FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:30:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: House Hounds Incorporated (770) 428-9004 120 S Park Sq Ne, Marietta, GA 30060 FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:28:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles Austeinovwork 120 S Park Sq NE, Ste 200 Marietta, GA 30060-8630 phone number unavailable Job title: Chief Creative Officer Company: Househounds FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:28:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I am going to reboot FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:21:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles or Buddy has a brother in Camas and I spoke with his wife five years ago and won't call them again! Really bitter about something and wouldn't give me any info. Maybe it's because he changed his name - who knows? FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:21:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: U.S. Public Records Index about Budd Austeinov Name: Budd Austeinov Street address: 671 Springhollow Ln SW City: Marietta County: Cobb State: Georgia Zip Code: 30008 Phone Number: 770-427-9964 Record Number: 622983906 U.S. Public Records Index about Budd Austeinov Name: Budd Austeinov Street address: 207 Gramling St SE City: Marietta County: Cobb State: Georgia Zip Code: 30008 Phone Number: 770 Record Number: 764447377 U.S. Public Records Index about Budd Austeinov Name: Budd Austeinov Street address: 207 Gramling St SE City: Marietta County: Cobb State: Georgia Zip Code: 30008 Phone Number: 770-427-9964 Record Number: 727515478 U.S. Public Records Index about Charles F Austeinov Name: Charles F Austeinov Street address: 207 Gramling St SE City: Marietta County: Cobb State: Georgia Zip Code: 30008 Phone Number: 770 Record Number: 788957557 U.S. Public Records Index about Charles F Austeinov Name: Charles F Austeinov Street address: 385 Hawkins St SE City: Marietta County: Cobb State: Georgia Zip Code: 30060 Phone Number: 770-427-9964 Record Number: 416322729 U.S. Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002 about Budd Austeinov Name: Budd Austeinov Address: 671 Springhollow Ln SW City: Marietta State: Georgia Zip Code: 30008-3659 Phone Number: 770-427-9964 Residence Years: 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 FROM: Steve on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:19:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This is also from the Oregon State Archives: Case# Vol 3 pg 086 Name Martin, Leah Date 1895 Record Type Census County Marion Source Genealogical FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:19:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles Austeinov Chief Creative Officer (Past) HouseHounds , Inc. (Past) Marietta, Georgia FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:15:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: His name in school was Buddy Charles Austin, then I found his real name was Charles Frederick Austin. But later he changed his surname to Austeinov. I have his birth date as April 10, 1931. Also, he was in show business for a while. His last known address was in Marietta, GA - 671 Spring Hollow Lane, SW. How's that for a mystery? FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:13:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll give it a try Pat FROM: Steve on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:12:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Probably unrelated to Craig's search, but these Henslee records show up in the Oregon State Archives: Henslee, Edna 11/30/1896 Portland Deaths Henslee, Elizabeth Porter 3/26/1884 Delayed Birth Lane County 1939(2)/25396 Henslee, Ruth E 11/21/1896 Portland Deaths Henslee, Sara Juanita & Koval, John F. 3/8/1944 Marriage Clatsop County FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:12:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey, nice job Joy! How would you like another tough one for our reunion? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:11:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy! Thanks for posting the info on the query! FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:11:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Everyone FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:11:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: hi Joy FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:11:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:07:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Up until this time, the kids had to be transported to another town for high school. Our daughter is school nurse for both the elementary and high school and won't have to travel out-of-town any longer for which she is thankful. She has her own little office in the new school for her four hours a week job. FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:04:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: yes those small communities always pull together like that FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:03:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Steve. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:02:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh Brrrr Charles! Our daughter said they are expecting some very cold weather and really not looking forward to it at all. At least they will be all moved into their new school by tomorrow night which is good planning. They will now have the high school in Coulee City and the teachers, big kids and farmers (with trucks) were moving everything from the old school to the new one today and tomorrow. That's really a community effort, isn't it? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:00:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Steve FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:00:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That doesn't sound any fun Charles. we have had a few inches of snow on a couple different days, but nothing major. FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 3:00:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: hi Steve FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:59:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think the cold got lost in the fog :) Not here yet predicting up to a foot of snow Saturday and then -5 on Monday FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:57:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:57:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:57:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Charles. We're glad to see you so early this evening. Are you in the midst of a cold spell now - or is it still coming? We're due to have nights maybe in the teens next week. Brrrr. And daytime temps might not be out of the 20's. They've also used the word SNOW down to the valley floor Sunday! FROM: Charles on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:55:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat Jerry and Nancy FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:53:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I already have an interesting, maybe fun, brick wall for next week which I will post tomorrow morning. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:51:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's a Metcalf stone - also in the Old City Cemetery. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:49:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Jerry - I've been looking at some of the Old City Cemetery info to see what more I can find for the brick wall. I do see a reference to Metcalf so it's possible many of the folks mentioned in the query are buried here in Vancouver. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:49:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks, Thanks for the info and photo! Looks good! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:48:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy FROM: jerryt on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:48:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat. I see Joy has been busy. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:43:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 11, 2008 2:43:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see Joy has been busy again. Great job Joy! Here's a gravestone photo for Murline C. & Leanah Henslee in the Old City Cemetery. FROM: Joy on DATE-Dec 9, 2008 0:45:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: Leanah Henslee Death date: 24 Feb 1911 Death place: Vancouver, Clarke, Washington Gender: Female Race or color (on document): Age at death: 79 years 7 months 28 days Estimated birth year: 1832 Birth date: Birth place: Marital status: Spouse name: Father name: Wm. Metcalf Father birth place: Mother name: Mother birth place: Occupation: Street address: Residence: Cemetery name: Burial place: Burial date: Additional relatives: Film number: 1991734 Digital GS number: 4218415 Image number: 1529 Reference number: cn 31 Collection: Washington Death Certificates, 1907-1960 Marriage Return for B.A. Henslee Clark County Washington #719 1. Date of License: Dec. 17, 1898 2. Full Name of Groom: B. A. Henslee 3. Age Last Birthday: 29 4. Color: White 5. No. of Groom's marriages: First 6. Residence: Vancouver, Wash 7. Birthplace: Wisconsin?? (Could be Missouri??) 8. Occupation: Merchant 9. Father's Name: M.C. Henslee 10. Mother's Maiden Name: Leanah Metcalf 11. Full name of bride: Anna Sovron 12. Age last birthday: 24 13. Color: White 14. No. of Bride's marriages: First 15. Residence: Vancouver, Wash 16. Birthplace: Oregon 17. Occupation: Milliner 18. Father's Name: C.B. Sovron 19. Mother's maiden name: ___ Hill 20. Date of Marriage: Vancouver, Wash. 21. Place of Marriage: Dec. 18, 1898 22. By whom married, and official station: J E Wellinger, Pastor?, M. E Ch Van. Wn 23. Name of Witnesses and their Residences No. 1: E R Schofield, (residence illegible) No. 2: Beatrice Hak?, Vanc Wa **Note: The digital image of this item is available at http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ It is indexed as S.A. Henslee, but looking at the image, the initials are clearly B.A. It provides the mother's surname which didn't appear in the Brickwall Post. Also note, the place and date of the marriage are on the wrong lines, but I transcribe them as they were written. There is an Adkins Metcalf family tree on Ancestry.com that includes a picture of Leannah Metcalf's father: William Henry Metcalf - and goes back several generations on that line Submitted by Sheila J Metcalf Oregon, Washington and Alaska gazetteer and business directory : 1901-1902. Henslee, Bedford A., grocer Henslee, Murline C., real est. (listed on page 850) Portland, Oregon Directories, 1890-91 about Bedford A Henslee Name: Bedford A Henslee Location 2: boards 11th corner West F. Occupation: clk Year: 1890 City: Vancouver State: OR Portland, Oregon Directories, 1890-91 about Murlin C Henslee Name: Murlin C Henslee Location 2: 11th corner West F. Occupation: real estate Year: 1890 City: Vancouver State: OR Portland, Oregon Directories, 1890-91 about Murline C Henslee Name: Murline C Henslee Location 2: 9th n w corner West G. Occupation: real estate Year: 1891 City: Vancouver State: OR On Ancestry.com "The Morning Oregonian, Friday, May 4, 1888" Page 6 In a section titled "La Camas Notes": Perrie Cox and Emmett Henslee are now employed in Knapp's sawmill at Kelso, Washington territory. "The Morning Oregonian, Friday, June 15, 1888" Page 6 In a section titled "Vancouver Notes" Mrs. Tom Crawford returned to her home at Bridal Veil on Tuesday after a visit of a few weeks with her father Major Henslee. FROM: PatB on DATE-Dec 8, 2008 16:08:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking the posting. Looks good! We have the e-mail address for Craig Souder and will forward any info found to him. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Dec 8, 2008 16:07:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL PROJECT: Craig Souder is looking for more information regarding his wife's family. Her great grandmother was Leah Marie Martin who married Emmet Alonzo Henslee. The parents of both of these people were in Clark County and found in the census of 1860, 1870, 1880, 1883, 1885 and 1887. The parents of Leah Martin were Antoine (Anton, Antone, Anthony) Martin and wife Marie (Mary). The parents of Emmet were Merline Columbus Henslee and wife Leanah May. Some information has been found for Craig in the Clark County Pioneers books for the Henslee family. Nothing was found there on the Martins except the marriage of the daughter to Henslee. Also, the tombstone picture from the Old City Cemetery where the Henslee parents are buried has been sent to Craig. The Martins, including Leah and her husband Emmet were in the San Francisco, CA area by 1900 census. Any additional information about these families would be greatly appreciated. Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts with the link below: Past transcripts: www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm