February 22, 2007 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:58:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night Everyone. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:58:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like it's time to say goodnight for another week. Take care everyone - stay warm and dry and we'll see you next Thursday. Thanks for all the interesting conversation and for the excellent help. Goodnight all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:57:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, I am going to call it a night. Have a great weekend! We have been having 50s and 60s all week, but they are calling for snow this weekend. Hope they are wrong! Night all. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:57:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I sent those things to Garry Lucas. Perhaps they will find records they didn't know existed any longer and it will help them with their project. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:57:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Jerry! Signing off for tonight! Gnight all! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:53:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Those are at the State Archives in Olympia FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:53:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Record Group: Clark County Government Subgroup: Sheriff Record Series: Payroll Register Dates: 1932-1933 Volume: 0.1 cf Description: Weekly time book. Repository: Southwest Washington Region - Olympia FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:53:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll send that info to Garry - that might help him with their project, too. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:52:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Posted a new webpage for my search at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/GranvilleElder1910TX.htm FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:51:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Possible data source: Record Group: Clark County Government Subgroup: Sheriff Record Series: Sheriffs Fee Books Dates: 1889-1987 Volume: 3.03 cf Description: Record of fees collected by the sheriff's office. In several formats. General Docket and Fee Book (1889-1903), shows style of case, process, name of officer, date received, when executed and when returned, items and amount of costs, and remarks. Fee Book (1979-1987) shows date, receipt number, from whom collected, names of plaintiff and defendant, case number, type of instrument, total, and description of fees. Also included is a volume from 1940. Repository: Southwest Washington Region - Olympia FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:48:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think about 1930 Jerry according to what Linda wrote. He was either a deputy or a marshall. I don't know of any town history for Ridgefield - except possibly in old issues of the Reflector which was known as the Ridgefield Reflector at that time and it was located in Ridgefield. My husband and I both worked for the Ridgefield Reflector in the late 1940's, early 1950's. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:47:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Seems like there's always a new query somewhere! I've been working on a new ELDER DNA kit order this week, where the sponsor of the kit is an Employee of FamilyTreeDNA in Houston, so I wanted to find everything for her right away! So far, I'm back to PETER ELDER group of VA in 1600's. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:46:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: More siblings for Tinsley: Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: District 4, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: 2256; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 8; Image: 840.0. Soloman, Stanton, head, m, w, 59, m, 38, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Harriett, wife, f, w, 37, m, 16, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Estell, daughter, f, w, 19, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Goldie, daughter, f, w, 17, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Stanton, son, m, w, 15, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Lora M?, daughter, f, w, 10, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Arrenda, daughter, f, w, 8, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Clint, daughter, m, w, son, m, w, 7, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Grace, daughter, f, w, 2 6/12, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Edward, nephew, m, w, 14, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:46:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do we have an approximate year that Charles Knapp would have been Sheriff? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:46:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pacifier has installed Spam Assassin on each account and I've been plugging along inputting all those spammers addresses. I'm trying to be as tricky as they are. By putting an * in front of the @ and the server name, I can block everything from that server. If I put the * after the name and @ of the person sending it, I block anything they send out from other servers using that sign-in name. It takes longer that way but I'm hoping to cut the spam down to nothing pretty soon. It is mostly coming to my old Pacifier address with just a very few to the new one. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:43:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hope someone comes through with a good subject for next week. I don't have anything yet. Sometimes I have to dig into my past and have you search for something that I couldn't find years ago. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:36:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:34:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy - I can change the info in that posting - just let me know. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:33:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here is an answer from Garry Lucas about Charles Knapp: Garry Lucas wrote: They had a marshall in Ridgefield for many years. There is only one sheriff in each county, so there may have been a deputy sheriff who resided there. All of the county's personnel records from that period have been destroyed. He may have been the town marshall. The Clark County Historical Society, and the county museum may have some of those records. We will be doing some research as it relates to the history of the sheriff's office in the next few months, and if we run across anything that may shed some light on Mr. Knapp, we will forward it on. If she doesn't want to wait, I suppose she could contact the historical society and request a search of what records might be available. Garry FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:33:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will, Pat. I had asked him for specific birth and death dates. FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:33:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was happy to learn that I could cut and copy to word pad from the genchat. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:32:49 GMT-DATE Knox County Tennessee Genweb: http://www.knoxcotn.org/ FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:30:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, will you please send a note to Ken Passwaters and tell him his little brother is now listed on that web page. FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:23:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy - you have done a great job for me. The information I was given said that Isaac Tensley was a German Jew. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:21:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Addie died in 1909 so there was probably nothing else at that time. Her parents were fairly well-to-do as her dad owned a livery stable about where the Pioneer Square is located now in downtown Portland. Her mom died in 1905 and is also buried in Lone Fir. FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:18:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, my Mom was in a T.B. open air cabins somewhere near Portland in the late 40's early 50's. I should try and find the name. It was a scary place. No locks on the doors. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:17:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sandra, they might have been from Georgia at some point. They're very hard to find in 1900! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:17:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jim! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:16:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - the meeting will be from 10 until noon and then we'll all go out to lunch with Carolyn as our guest. I think it's going to be a fun program. She has some really neat aprons and loves displaying them. FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:15:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, again thanks..the Solomon family is going to be surprised to learn that they were from Tenn before Georgia. He thought they were poor farmers from Georgia. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:15:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Jim FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:15:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: pat - I just might have to drive down for that one! FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:15:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks for the updates tonight. I check in again next week. Good night to all. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:14:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No, the institution was the Oregon State Insane Asylum. I understand that they also placed TB patients there since there may not have been any other place for them. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:13:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It could have been Sandra. I think they put very ill people in the asylum - not necessary just mentally ill folks. It was one way to have them cared for. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:12:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - I wish you were going to be near Vancouver on March 27 as that's when Carolyn Ellertson will be giving her program about "Aprons Through the Ages" at CCGS. I want to attend that meeting! FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:12:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, was that a T.B. asylum? FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:11:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Tinsley's brother: WWI Draft Registration Earle Solomon RFD #11, Knoxville, Knox, Tenn age: 18, born May 17th 1900 White, Native Born Hamolter??? marble Quarry, Grey Stone Marble Co, RFD #11, Knoxville, Knox, Tenn Annie Solomon, wife, RFD #11, Knoxville, Knox, Tenn (might be Amie) Short, slender build, d blue eyes, d brown hair Sept 12, 1918 FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:11:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think it has something to do with the heating system and my lousy immune system Jim. I retired from the USPS in 1989 because of asthma and the symptoms are very much the same. It's scary and I don't want to go through that again so I thought just avoiding it as much as possible will help a lot. I hadn't been on asthma meds for about eight years and hated to begin it all over again. I doubt that anyone else will be bothered - at least they weren't when I was working at the PO. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:09:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I am going to be in Portland from 17 to 24 March for a meeting and then up to Tacoma till 1 April for a visit to my folks. FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:08:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There is lots of dust and the building is so old. Their must be some mildew under the paint. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:08:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In answer to that asylum question. My great grandma's half-sister, Addie Euphemia Godard, was one that I was interested in getting info on and she was the first one I began researching when I went to SLC on my first trip. I had pictures of this lovely dark haired girl, dressed in her finery and wanted to know more about her. I finally found her - in the asylum in Salem in 1900. She died there of TB and is buried in the Lone Fir Cemetery in Portland. I think it was the only asylum in Oregon at that time or else she would have been somewhere closer to where her parents lived in Portland. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:06:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is there some milldew at the library that could be affecting your asthma? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:05:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm going to have to take a leave of absence from my monthly stint as librarian at the CCGS library and really hate to do it. My asthma has flared up big-time and I'm hoping that by staying away from the library for about three months will help bring it back under control. I will go to the March meeting and want to attend the May seminar to work on the raffle. Last Friday I coughed and coughed and it got worse by the end of the day but when I got in the car to go home, I cleared up in about five minutes. I'll continue doing whatever I can at home for the duration. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:04:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I sent an extract out of last week's transcript to my cousin in MO. She has a question for you: "... how did she (Pat) know that Sarah was in the insane asylum with her ancestor?" Is the answer: because you know that your relative was also in the same institution at the same time? FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 5:00:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Last week, I think that one of the postings for the 1860 MO census stated that Willim W. Cochran was living with an Alexandria M. Checking the actual census page rather than the indexed information, I found that William W. was enumerated with his brother, Alexander M., and his sister and her husband and son. So one can't stop at the indexes! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:59:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I saw Daffodils in a vase in the dining room today! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:58:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The highway might be closed again in the morning according to the weather forecasters this evening. I guess we should remember that we're still in the winter season - it's not spring YET! FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:57:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No, I didn't know about the I-5 closure, but I'm not surprised by it. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:56:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, did you see on the news about the closure of I-5 south of Ashland? That mountain pass can be pretty wicked during blizzard conditions! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:56:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Civil District 2, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T624_1508; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 102; Image: 29. Soloman, Stanton, Head, m, w, 49, m2, 0 years, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, farm laborer, farm Harriett, wife, f, w, 19, m2, 0 years, 2/2, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Tinsley, son, m, w, 12, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, farm laborer, farm Earl, son, m, w, 10, s, Texas, Tennessee, Tennessee Owens, Joe, step-son, m, w, 3, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Soloman, Estelle, daughter, f, w, 1/12, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Soloman, Lige, brother, m, w, 25, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, laborer, Quarry (note Harriet would be Tinsley's step-mom) FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:55:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim That was great news FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:55:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Things are fine here. We had a fair amount of rain last night and this morning during the commute hours. It affected my drive into San Francisco. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:54:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim - I added that child's name and some information to the burial info for that cemetery. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:53:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim! How are you doing this evening? FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:52:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, I have just seen your email about Robert Earl Passwaters, Jr. It's great news that the family has found the gravesite. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:51:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Howdy Jim FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:51:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening to all. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:43:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In 2005 story, e-mail says: Geoff Knapp, Community Services Phone: (360) 397-2130 ext. 7844 Fax: (360) 397-6028 geoff.knapp@clark.wa.gov FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:42:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I sent an e-mail to Garry Lucas, our present Clark County Sheriff, to see if he can help. He's a CCGS member and is also a RAOGK volunteer. I'll let you know if he can tell us anything about Mr. Knapp. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:40:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: KNAPP in Clark Co WA news story: 4/25/2005 ... For more information, please contact Geoff Knapp, Public Affairs, Clark County Department of Community Services, at (360) 397-2130. http://www.clark.wa.gov/news/news-release.asp?pkNewsSeq=578 FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:40:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: You are amazing!!! Thanks FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:38:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Civil District 4, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T625_1750; Page: 15A; Enumeration District: 121; Image: 645. Solomon, Isaac T, head, m, w, 21, m, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, Laborer, Marble Quarry Laura, wife, f, w, 19, m, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Edward, son, m, w, 3 6/12, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:34:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WWI Draft Registration Isaac Tinsley Solomon RFD #11, Knoxville, Knox, Tenn age 20, born May 5th, 1898 White, native born Occupation: Driller, Marble Quarry, Grey Stone Marble Co, RFD #11, Knoxville, Knox, Tenn Nearest Relative: Laura Solomon (wife) RFD #11, Knoxville, Knox, Tenn Short, Medium Build, L Blue eyes, L brown hair Sept 12, 1918 FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:32:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I wonder why I couldn't find this? Thanks a lot. I was probably looking in Georgia instead of Tenn. I don't have those magic fingers. Deadrick and Tinsley are such weird names. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:32:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've tried a few searching for KNAPP and Ridgefield, but no Sheriff. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:30:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Was anyone able to verify if Charles Edward Knapp was ever a Sheriff in Ridgefield? When we lived out there in 1949 we had a town Marshall - not a Sheriff as the Sheriff was in Vancouver at the county seat. I think now they have a Police Chief in Ridgefield. We have a Ridgefield address but are 10 miles from town so don't know much about it except what we read in the weekly Reflector. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:27:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, Thanks! That looks good! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:27:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks, Pat. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:26:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I just checked it and the info on the Passwaters child posted o.k. It's in two formats - PDF and Word. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:25:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: John DROUILLARD married Chippewa wife in MN: ...He was interpreter for the Grand Portage Indians for many years. Deceased had been ailing for several years and died from heart trouble and other old age ailments. There survive him, two brothers: Wm. D. of Ashland and Henry D. of Bayfield; four sisters, Mrs. Ellen Smith of Bayfield, Mrs. Claricy Delaney of Ashland, Mrs. Carrie Martin and Mrs. Carpenter of Duluth; four sons, William, Charles, Fred of this village and Francis of Hovland; five daughters, Mrs. Geo. Zimmerman, Mrs. Chas. Pero, Mrs. Pete LaPlante, Mrs. Ben Robertson and Mrs. Art Mobeck; former wife, Mrs. John Collins. Funeral Monday, at 10 a.m. conducted by Father Thomas. Interment in the Catholic cemetery at Chippewa City. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:25:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: District 4, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: 2259; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 73; Image: 885.0. Solomon, Tinsley, head, m, w, 32, wd, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee, Stone Cutter, Marble quarry Frank D, son, m, w, 10, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Dedrick, son, m, w, 7, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee Tinsley Jr, son, m, w, 5, s, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee King, Geneva, servant, f, w, 30, d, North Carolina, Tennessee, Tennessee, House Keepter, Private Family FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:22:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The Indians around DROUILLARD family of Bayfield Co Wisconsin on Lake Superior were Chippewa. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:22:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I don't know anything about Walter. According to the census entries he was born in MI. He and Lottie had at elast 6 children. They were married in Kansas and moved from there to Clark Co. and later to Klickitat Co. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:22:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Note, that on the actual census page, it is NOT Girley, it's Tinsley. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:20:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've added the child's info to the Manor Wilson Bridge cemetery and will try to post it now. I had to reboot when I began having trouble. Be right back. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:20:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1930 United States Federal Census about Dedrick Solomon Name: Dedrick Solomon Home in 1930: District 4, Knox, Tennessee Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1923 Relation to Head of House: Son Parent's Name: Girley Occupation: Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: Parents' birthplace: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Girley Solomon 32 Frank D Solomon 10 Dedrick Solomon 7 Tinsley Solomon 5 Gemma King 30 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:15:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I have KNAPP surnames in MI also. Related to the DROUILLARD and ELDER in Monroe Co MI. Stories with the DROUILLARD family and Indian translators. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:15:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 about Deadrick Solomon Name: Deadrick Solomon Birth Year: 1923 Race: White, citizen (White) Nativity State or Country: Tennessee State: Tennessee County or City: Knox Enlistment Date: 16 Mar 1943 Enlistment State: Georgia Enlistment City: Fort McPherson Atlanta Branch: No branch assignment Branch Code: No branch assignment Grade: Private Grade Code: Private Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men) Source: Civil Life Education: Grammar school Marital Status: Married Height: 00 Weight: 066 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:14:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Social Security Death Index about Deadrick Solomon Name: Deadrick Solomon SSN: 414-12-5630 Last Residence: 30707 Chickamauga, Walker, Georgia, United States of America Born: 17 Oct 1923 Died: Jan 1974 State (Year) SSN issued: Tennessee (Before 1951 ) FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:14:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Georgia Deaths, 1919-98 about Deadrick Solomon Name: Deadrick Solomon Death Date: 03 Jan 1974 County of Death: Walker Gender: M Race: W Age: 50 years County of Residence: Walker Certificate: 005677 FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:13:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, I am looking with interest at the Knapp info. My granfather's sister, Lottie Thompson was married to a Walter Knapp, b. 1855 Michigan. I am wondering if there is a connection. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:13:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sandra, I see an interesting Isaac Solomon in GA 1910: 1910 census Name: Isaac Solomon Age in 1910: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Birthplace: Syrian Arab Republic Relation to Head of House: Partner Father's Birth Place: Syrian Arab Republic Mother's Birth Place: Syrian Arab Republic Home in 1910: Militia District 756, Sumter, Georgia Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Year of Immigration: 1907 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Moses 33 Isaac Solomon 18 Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Militia District 756, Sumter, Georgia; Roll: T624_213; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 101; Image: 100. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:10:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! Several projects to choose from this evening! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:09:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Greetings all FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:08:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Deadrick would have been born around 1924 as he was 19 when he married. FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:07:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have been looking for a Deadrick Solomon who married Allie Beatrice Avans on Feb 25th, 1943 in Walker County Georgia. Deadrick's father is Isack Tensley Solomon. I can't find him in anything except the marriage. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:06:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Marinette County, Wisconsin: Research Links and Online Resources By: Lorelle VanFossen | Categories: Genealogy Resources, Knapp Many of my ancestors lived in Marinette County, Wisconsin, for much of their lives. The Knapp family lived in and around Taylor Rapids, a defunct logging camp town along the Peshtigo River that is now state forest land and completely regressed back to nature. It is about 10 miles south of Goodman near Strong Falls. […] FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:05:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Knapp Family Story Highlights * A Little Troublemaker in Taylor Rapids, Wisconsin * Knapp Family Journal 1916-1924 * Dedicated to the Daughters of Yesteryear and Tomorrow * My First Chaw Of Tobacco * Cooking On The Tug Boat Skagit Chief * When The War Will End * Finding the Reward in Copying Other People's Work Across Time * Logging Camp J In the 1920's in Northern Wisconsin * Trapped On The Island * Seneca Primley (1871-1966) Spanish-American War Vet Dies After Parade FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 4:04:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Search google.com for "Charles KNAPP" and Wisconsin found an interesting story. at http://www.cameraontheroad.com/family/category/family/knapp/ ... "James Knapp choose an unusual and infamous bride, Elizabeth Brau or Brandtt. Elizabeth not only came with a history of being the sole survivor of her family after an attack by Native American Indians, but the small child was allegedly rescued by the James Brothers, the famous Frank and Jesse James. Together, they had 7 children until James Knapp's death, then she married again and had 6 more children until his death, then she married again, this time to Charles Knapp, her first husband's brother. The descendants of the Knapp children began their colorful backwoods life in Wisconsin, then migrated to Oregon and Washington State where some married into the famous Chief Seattle (Sealth) family, which in our family tree is now known as the Elwell family. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:55:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1930 Name: Charles E Knapp Home in 1930: Ridgefield, Clark, Washington Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Birthplace: Wisconsin Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Valna L Race: Indian (Native American) Household Members: Name Age Charles E Knapp 55 Valna L Knapp 42 Marlon O Knapp 9 Naolma L Knapp 7 Thelma L Knapp 5 Ima I Knapp 3 3/12 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Ridgefield, Clark, Washington; Roll: 2485; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 40; Image: 658.0. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:54:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Linda is just wanting to confirm he was a sheriff? Or is she looking for more? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:49:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: How interesting about the Passwaters burial. I'm glad they found the gravesite and that they will be getting a stone. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:49:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everyone! Glad to see so much info already! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:49:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: He wants to know how to get the info listed on our website. Here's his email: Thank you so very much for your email. Robert Earl Passwaters ("Earl Jr" to us of his family) is my oldest brother. We were both born in Woodland in the 1930's, but moved to a 20 acre place near LaCenter as small children when our house in Woodland burned down. Earl Jr. died of pneumonia & whooping cough in January 1944 while we lived at LaCenter. My folks were pretty poor, plus WWII was going on, and I was also extremely sick with pneumonia & whooping cough - at any rate, Earl Jr. was buried at a cemetery between Vancouver & LaCenter without any gravestone marker. None of us other siblings had ever known specifically where the cemetery was located, and hadn't ever been to his gravesite in the 60+ years since his death, and have felt we'd like to locate and visite his grave and purchase a gravestone for him. We thought that our parents had mentioned that the cemetery was near "Four Corners", but weren't sure. In the time since I left the email note with the Clark County Genealogical Society, I and my next younger brother (who lives at Longview) have realized that the location is actually near "Dollar Corner" (not "Four Corners") and my brother recalled that our Dad had given him the cemetery receipt for the cemetery plot purchase. My brother then searched and managed to locate the cemetery receipt in his paperwork. The receipt, dated Jan 28, 1944 from "Limber's Funeral Home" shows the purchase of five graves in Lot 140 of "Manor Cemetery". So, of course, that was a major step forward in our being able to locate Earl Jr.'s grave. I was then able to locate the website for the Memory Memorial Park, and to call the phone number for the Layne's Battleground Funeral Home, and then just two weekends ago, Harlan Denton of the funeral home guided us with his cemetery map to the location of the "Passwaters Lot 140" in the Manor Wilson Bridge Cemetery. So, within the last couple of weeks, my younger brother & I & our wives have actually been able to locate and visit Earl Jr.'s gravesite. We hope to have a gravestone marker made and placed for his grave within the next few months. So we really, really appreciate your willingness to help us in our search for our older brother's gravesite - but we do seem to have already been successful in locating and visiting it. I would like to get Robert Earl Passwaters (Earl Jr.) grave/burial information included in the cemetery and CCGS records, for the benefit of future research efforts. Is that something which you are able to help accomplish? As I say, the cemetery receipt shows it as Lot 140 in the Manor Wilson Bridge Cemetery. Thank you so very much, Ken Passwaters Albany, Oregon FROM: SANDRA on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:48:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, I am lurking...I like to see how much info people can find for the brick walls you list. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:48:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I sent an email to the person looking for the info on Robert Earl Passwaters, and received a response that they have found the gravesite. He is at Manor/Wilson bridge cemetery, but he isn't listed in ccgs info - there is no stone yet. (Ken and family are going to have one done) FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:47:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Sandra - how's everything going for you this evening? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:47:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy - busy, busy lady! You've done a great job on this. I haven't talked with Rosalie since we got back from the Oregon Coast yesterday but hope there's something that she didn't have previously. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:46:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, Pat. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 3:41:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Such a bunch of info! Now I have another project for you this evening! Here's another project to keep you busy this evening. This query is from Linda Raade-Vaught of Cottage Grove, OR. Perhaps we can help her. Charles Edward Knapp born 1874-75 Cherokee and mixed blood Occupation lists: blacksmith Wife: Velna Letha Knapp Children: Marion Knapp, Naolma Knapp Telma Knapp Ima Jean Knapp This info is from the 1930 US Census for Washington. It shows them living in Ridgefield. Family oral history claims he was a sheriff in Ridgefield around that time. Unk if true. Family later moved to Astoria and Knappa area of Oregon in the late 1930's. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 22, 2007 0:07:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, Thanks for posting all the interesting info! It's great to see so much from the clues we have. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 7:42:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ==================== British Columbia Death Index: 1872 to 1979 about Frank Edward Parmenter Name: Frank Edward Parmenter Gender: Male Age: 38 Death Date: 19 Mar 1921 Place of Death: Cumberland District Registration #: 1921-09-283143 bca #: B13119 gsu #: 1927296 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:03:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Washington Births, 1907-1919 about Eaton Eaton Name: Eaton Eaton Birth Date: 23 Jun 1914 LOCATION: Lewis Sex: Male Race: White Father's name: Wm Water Eaton Mother's name: Emma Anna Parmenter Image Filename: 2109 Washington Births, 1907-1919 about Thelma Eaton Name: Thelma Eaton Birth Date: 14 Sep 1912 LOCATION: Lewis Sex: Female Race: White Father's name: Wm Eaton Mother's name: Emma Parmenter Image Filename: 2109 Washington Births, 1907-1919 about Leota Audrey Parmenter Name: Leota Audrey Parmenter Birth Date: 3 Jun 1912 LOCATION: Thurston Sex: Female Race: White Father's name: Benjamin H Parmenter Mother's name: Meda D Grove Image Filename: 4650 Washington Births, 1907-1919 about Parmenter Parmenter Name: Parmenter Parmenter Birth Date: 24 Apr 1911 LOCATION: Thurston Sex: Male Race: White Father's name: Benjamin H Parmenter Mother's name: Meda Grove Image Filename: 4650 Washington Births, 1907-1919 about Unnamed Shearer Name: Unnamed Shearer Birth Date: 26 Apr 1915 LOCATION: Thurston Sex: Female Race: White Father's name: William R Shearer Mother's name: Flora Parmanter Image Filename: 5460 Washington Births, 1907-1919 about Unnamed Morris Name: Unnamed Morris Birth Date: 6 Mar 1917 LOCATION: Thurston Sex: Male Race: White Father's name: Roy Curtis Morris Mother's name: Mae Shearer Image Filename: 4171 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:03:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WWI Draft Registration Frank Edward Parmenter Centralia, Lewis Co., Wash 34, b. March 24, 1884 White, Native born Logger, R A Plac--- Beesborough, Bay, B C Nearest Relative: A. Parmenter, Centralia, Wn. Signed by Frank Edward Parmenter, Commercial Hotel, Vancouver BC Medium Height, Medium Build, Blue eyes, Brown hair Oct 12, 1918, Vice Consul of the United States of America, Vancouver, B.C. WWI Draft Registration Benjamin Harrison Parmenter 29 Marton, Lewis Co., Wash b. Sepember 13, 1888 (sic) Yes natural born Where born: Mt Carmel, Ill, USA Farmer, Saw Mill by G W Chessar, Marton, Wn Wife and 2 children Married, Caucasian What military service have you had? Rank: Private; branch: Malitia; 3 weeks; state Malitia Short, medium build Blue eyes, brown hair. not bald. Temple precinct, Lewis Co, Washington, June 5, 1917 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:03:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Centralia, Lewis, Washington; Roll: T625_1933; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 119; Image: 192. Parmenter, Allen, head, m, w, 66, m, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Mary, wife, f, w, 51, m, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Rose, daughter, f, w, 21, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, bookkeeper, drugstore Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Union, Lewis, Washington; Roll: T625_1933; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 133; Image: 428. State Training School (for boys) Parmenter, Charles, inmate, m, w, 15, s, Iowa, American, Parents US Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Steilacoom, Pierce, Washington; Roll: T625_1937; Page: 13B; Enumeration District: 233; Image: 1200. Western State Hospital is stamped on the page. "For insane" is handwritten in. Parmenter, Paul P, inmate, m, w, 33, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:02:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Centralia, Lewis, Washington; Roll: T624_1666; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 131; Image: 241. With the Curtis Machie family Parmenter, Bertha, boarder, f, w, 17, s, Washington, United States, United States, ?, Glove Factory Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Centralia, Lewis, Washington; Roll: T624_1666; Page: 22B; Enumeration District: 132; Image: 326. Parmenter, Kate, head, m, w, unreadable, s, Missouri, ?, ? (faded out birthplaces), Machine Hand, Glove Factory FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:02:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Centralia, Lewis, Washington; Roll: T624_1666; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 133; Image: 354. Parmenter, Allen E, Head, m, w, 57, m1, 32, Illinois, Ire. English, Illinois, Own Income Mary, wife, f, w, 51, m1, 32, 13/13 Illinois, German, German Paul P, son, m, w, 24, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, Laborer, odd jobs Harry A, son, m, w, 15, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, Foreman or fireman, Railroad? Wilhmina, daughter, f, w, 13, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Rosa, daughter, f, w, 11, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:01:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here are some queries on rootsweb from Sarah Ashley looking for info on the Parmenter family (Flora's siblings). --- seashley@u.washington.edu Parmenters in Wabash County seashley_1 (View posts) Posted: 31 Dec 2001 7:44PM GMT Classification: Query Surnames: Parmenter, Broedel I am looking for anyone researching the Parmenter family from Wabash County, Ill. Isaac Parmenter Charles Allen Parmenter Mary Broedel and 13 children. Charles and his family moved to Washington State around the year 1900. A 2004 post has her email as seashley01@msn.com (Sarah Ashley) -- Re: Parmenters from IL seashley (View posts) Posted: 5 Sep 2001 7:19PM GMT Classification: Query Surnames: My ancestor Charles Allen Parmenter had a son named Harry Allen Parmenter who was born in Wabash County, Illinois on June 04, 1894. He died on December 01, 1958, and is buried in Centralia, Washington. Is this your Harry Parmenter? -- Re: Parmenters from IL seashley (View posts) Posted: 5 Sep 2001 5:34PM GMT Classification: Query Surnames: I am decended from the Illinois Parmenters. My great,great grandfather's name was Charles Allen Parmenter, and his wifes name was Mary Broedel. The father of Charles Parmenter was Henry parmenter, whose father was Isaac Parmenter. Charles had thirteen children. If this is your family, please contact me. I would love to swap information with you. --- Re: RUFFIN GREY PARMENTER and GEORGE NATHANIEL PARMENTER Sarah Ashley (View posts) Posted: 21 May 2002 12:04AM GMT Classification: Query Surnames: Parmenter I saw your name and was wondering if you were somehow connected. Our family lost track of a Paul Parmenter in the 1930's. He is my gg-uncle. His father's name was Charles Allen Parmenter, and his mother was Mary. They moved from Illinois to Centralia, Washington. Around 1920, Paul was placed under the care of Western State Hospital, and was released sometime before 1930. Nobody knows what happened to him after that, he never made contact with the family again. Does this sound like someone that you might be related to? --- PARMENTER MYSTERY Sarah Ashley (View posts) Posted: 21 May 2002 12:12AM GMT Classification: Query Surnames: Parmenter There are two mysterious dissapearances in my Parmenter line which have gone unsolved for over 70 years. Just before 1920, Paul Parmenter, son of Charles Allen and Mary Parmenter was placed under the care of Western State Hospital for the Insane in Stillacom, Washington. He was listed on the 1920 census as an inmate there. By the 1930 census he was released because there was no mention of him. When he was released, he dissapeared and was never heard from again. Before his admission to the hosptial, Paul was living in Centralia, Washington. He was never married before he was admitted. It is rumored that Paul might have changed his name to Johnie Johnson and moved to California to work in the mines. This has never been proven. The brother of Paul Parmenter was named Frank Parmenter. He also lived in Centralia, Washington. He also disappeared just after he was disowned by his father for stealing a bike (this was a big crime in those days). He was also never heard from again. Anyone whose has information regarding these two individuals please contact me. -- FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 4:00:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It could be possible that after losing 2 infants that Flora went to a hospital in springfield to have Mae. ??? I wonder, too, if the infants were twins and died a few days apart. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:58:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Note that in both the 1900 and 1910 censuses it indicates that Flora has lost 2 children (in 1900, she is mother of 3 children, 1 living. In 1910 she is mother of 5 children, 3 living). Here is a cemetery in Wabash County IL which has the burials of 2 daughters of W R and F B Shearer: Hallock (Friend's Grove) Cemetery Mt. Carmel Precinct, Wabash County, Illinois Hallock Cemetery, also known as Friend's Grove Cemetery is located in the northwestern corner of the Mt. Carmel Precinct, Wabash County, IL. SHEARER, Infant Daughter, p. b.a.& e. shearer SHEARER, Infant Daughter, d.13-july-1897, p. w.r. & f.b.shearer SHEARER, Infant Daughter, d.18-july-1897, p. w.r. & f.b.shearer SHEARER, Infant Daughter, p. b.a.& e. shearer SHEARER, Joanna, d.30-oct-1895, a.72y 7m 9d, h. william shearer SHEARER, Joseph H., b.3-sep-1842, d.11-july-1906, a.57y 10m 7d, co. c 115th ill regt inf. SHEARER, Mary S., b.29-jan-1843, d.3-july-1917, h. j.h. shearer SHEARER, William, d.11-nov-1892, a.73?y 1m PARMENTER, Albert R., 15-nov-1894, a.27y 4m 21d PARMENTER, Dorthy H., d.19-oct-1893, a.71y 2m 13d PARMENTER, Idea, d.14-may-1866, a.3y 10m 12d, p. i. & j. parmenter PARMENTER, Isaac, d.10-jan-1870, a.79y 11m 2d PARMENTER, Louis Allen, b.28-july-1857, d.3-sep-1858, p. isaac jr. & julian parmenter FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:55:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WWI Draft Registration William R Shearer Rt 1, Yelm, Thurston, Wash age: 45, b. Apr 2, 1873 White, native born Farming, self employed, Yelm, Thurston, Wash Nearest Relative: Flora Belle Shearer (Wife), Rte 1, Yelm, Thurston, Wash Tall, slender, light brown eyes, black hair Sept 12, 1918 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:54:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Bonpas, Wabash, Illinois; Roll: T9_256; Family History Film: 1254256; Page: 54.2000; Enumeration District: 124; Image: 0112. Parmete, Chas A, w, m, 24, married, Farmer, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Mary, w, f, 21, wife, married, Keeping House, Illinois, Germany, Germany Flora B, w, f, 1, Dau., single, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:54:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Hannaford, Lewis, Washington; Roll: T624_1666; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 124; Image: 23. Shearer, William H, head, m, w, 38, m1, 13, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, Farmer, General farm Flora, wife, f, w, 31, m1, 13, 5/3, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Mary, daughter, f, w, 11, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois LeRoy, son, m, w, 6, s, Washington, Illinois, Illinois Pearl, son, m, w, 3, s, Washington, Illinois, Illinois FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:53:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here are a few "findings" on the family: Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Mount Carmel, Wabash, Illinois; Roll: T623 349; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 88. 78/82 Parmenter, A???, head, w, m, Mar 1855, 45, m, 22, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, Farmer Mary, wife, w, f, Aug 1859, 40, m, 22, 13/13, Illinois, Germany, Germany Emma A, daughter, w, f, June 1880, 19, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Cathrine M, daughter, w, f, July 1881, 18, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Frank E, son, w, m, Mar? 1884, 16, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Paul P, son, w, m, Jan 1886, 14, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Minnie M, daughter, w, f, Feb 1887, 13, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Benjamin H, son, w, m, Sept 1888, 11, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Dorotha P, daughter, w, f, Apr 1891, 9, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Bertha B, daughter, w, f, Oct 1892, 7, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Harry A, son, w, m, June 1894, 5, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Wilhelmina, daughter, w, f, July 1896, 3, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois Rosa M, daughter, w, f, June 1898, 1, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois 81/86 Shearer, Wm, head, w, m, July 1848, 51, m, 22, Vermont, Mass, Vermont, Farmer Jane, wife, w, f, June 1853, 46, m, 22, 2/2, Illinois, Penn, Penn Heitzman, Wm F, servant, w, m, Aug 1874, 25, s, Illinois, Germany, Illinois, Farm Laborer Ulrica, Walter W, servant, w, m, Apr 1876, 24 s, Indiana, Germany, Indiana, Farm Laborer Shearer, Sibyl P, daughter, w, f, Feb 1887, 12, s, Illinois, Vermont, Illinois Shearer, Hazel, daughter, w, f, Mar 1894, 6, s, Illinois, Vermont, Illinois 82/87 Shearer, Wm, head, w, m, Apr 1873, 27, m, 3, Illinois, Missouri?, Missouri?, Farmer Flora B, wife, w, f, June? 1879, 21, m, 3, 3/1, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois May, Daughter, w, f, July 1898, 1, s, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois 84/89 Shearer, Bart?, head, w, m, July 1836, 63, m, 34, Mass, Mass, Vermont, Farmer Eda, wife, w, f, Dec 1845, 54, m, 34, 4/4, Illinois, New York, New York May, Daughter, w, f, july 1879, 20, s, Illinois, Mass, Illinois Harry G, son, w, m, Aug 1881, 18, s, Illinois, Mass, Illinois FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:52:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sangamon County (Springfield) has a website, but here is their contact info Can get a copy for "genealogical purposes" if the birth was more than 75 years ago. Cost is $20 Sangamon County Clerk County Building 200 S. Ninth, Room 101 Springfield, IL 62701 217-753-6700 Sangamon County: http://www.co.sangamon.il.us/Offices/ctyclerk/birth.asp FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:51:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If that isn't feasible, she could contact the county clerk. I would suggest calling them and asking what is the proper procedure for obtaining a birth record for genealogical purposes. I find in contacting people, if you ask them "What is the proper way", you get a lot better service - because they know you are taking the time to be considerate of their time / job. Here's the address for Wabash County, IL Wabash County Clerk Courthouse 401 Market St. P.O. Box 277 Mount Carmel, IL 62863 618-262-4561 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 17, 2007 3:47:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I would suggest to Rosalie that she go to the Family history center and order a microfilm of the birth records for Wabash County, Illinois -- this could either prove or disprove her theory. Here is what the FHL catalogue has available: Title Birth records, 1877-1905, stillbirths, 1877-1905 and delayed births, 1870-1905, Wabash County, Illinois Authors Illinois. Department of Public Health. Division of Vital Statistics (Wabash County) (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of originals in the County Clerk Office in the County Courthouse in Mt. Carmel, Illinois. Not allowed to film indexes for birth or death records. Subjects Illinois, Wabash - Vital records Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 2005 Physical on 2 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Birth records book 1-2, 1877-1905 - VAULT US/CAN Film [ 1416918 Items 1 - 3 ] Stillbirths, 1877-1905 - VAULT US/CAN Film [ 1416918 Item 3 ] Delayed births book 1 (p. 1-75), 1870-1905 - VAULT US/CAN Film [ 1416918 Item 4 ] Delayed births book 1 (p. 74-end), 1870-1905 - FHL US/CAN Film [ 1416802 Item 1 ] Delayed births book 2, 1870-1905 - FHL US/CAN Film [ 1416802 Item 2 ] FROM: Pat2 on DATE-Feb 16, 2007 16:56:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to make sure this posted right. See you Thursday evening! FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Feb 16, 2007 16:55:15 GMT-DATE EMAIL: patbauer@pacifier.com MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. We have lots of visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. AMONG TOPICS WE WILL DISCUSS THIS WEEK: (If you have help for this, please post it ahead of time in GenChat.) CCGS member Rosalie Kepler writes, "My grandmother Mae Shearer has Springfield, Illinois written on all her paperwork as her birthplace. I don't think that is true, I think she was born in Mt. Carmel, Wabash Co., Ill. but I need some proof. Her birthdate is July 21, 1898, her father William R. Shearer, her mother Flora Belle Parmenter .Mae married Roy Morris, Aug 12, 1916 in Tacoma, Wa. She married Fred O'tremba about 1936. She died Sept 3, 1947 in Yelm, Wa." Let's see if we can help Rosalie this week! Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts by clicking below and following the links to the postings. Past transcripts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p342