February 26, 2009 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:58:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like it's about time to call it quits for another week. There was a query from Marian earlier. I'll try to find it and repost it for next week, too. I'm going to log out now - see you all next week. Good night all! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:58:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did find that one spelled CIPRA in a bio. I'll have to ask more questions about that. Eugene was supposed to be in the Cleveland family in 1920 and 1930, while this Frank stayed in Kansas, I believe. Interesting similarities, tho. I should get death certificates, even if the Query lady didn't try. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:56:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think I tried lots of variations on Cipra in Cleveland area and didn't find a good one. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:56:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Longshot... 1880 United States Federal Census about Frank Chipek Name: Frank Chipek Home in 1880: Richland, Republic, Kansas Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Birthplace: Ohio Relation to Head of Household: Son Father's Name: Frank Father's birthplace: Bohemia Mother's Name: Elizebeth Mother's birthplace: Bohemia Neighbors: View others on page Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View Image Household Members: Name Age Frank Chipek 35 Elizebeth Chipek 32 Mary Chipek 8 Barbara Chipek 6 Frank Chipek 3 Michael Chipek 1 Parents both born Bohemia, 3 kids born Ohio, 1 born KS FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:54:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, No parent's name, either. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:53:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do you have any parent's name? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:53:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It's too bad the people didn't spell their names for the census taker - they merely spelled them the way they sounded. Our Bauer relatives in 1900 and later came out as Bower in Clark County. I guess people figured that brothers should have the same spelling for their names and brother Fred was a Bower. Brother Charles was Bauer. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:53:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No names besides Frank so far. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:52:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do you have the names of any siblings for Frank? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:49:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I do have the feeling that the parents should be around the Cleveland area, tho, as others seem to be there. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:48:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have found CAPRA from Italy, in with the CIPRA from Bohemia, so I know anything is possible. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:48:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It could have been spelled Chipra - since in England they pronounce words as if there is an H added. In other countries, they sometimes add the H and don't pronounce it. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:46:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We can use yours and perhaps something else that comes through. With a name like that, it's going to be unrecognizable when it's found! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:43:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It must be spelled SHIPIRO or some interesting variation... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:42:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll leave my query to find 1880 census with Frank V. CIPRA b. 1876 OHIO. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:39:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't have a brick wall for next week. Surely hope that someone will come up with one. I'll do a reposting of the opening statement with "no brick wall yet" and then will post it later if someone comes through with something. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:34:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I know that 3 of our ELDER DNA participants are members of the Clan Mackintosh of North America, but haven't heard of their plans yet. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:33:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hope at least one ELDER will attend from the Clan Mackintosh of North America Society, so they will know about ELDER being a Sept of Mackintosh/Chattan. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:32:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve, I'm not able to do that traveling, but it's sure fun to hear about other folks who will be going, and some with DNA brochures to hand out at the CLAN CHATTAN and MACKINTOSH tents, too! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:30:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That always seems to happen to someone else (;>) FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:30:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: So Nancy, are you traveling to Edinburgh to join them? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:29:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I just keep reminding myself about all the success stories for DNA matches. Like the GREGORY entries that I worked on here for a long time, then they found one GREGORY to take the test for these cousins, and they matched all those other GREGORY DNA numbers from New England, with lovely lines back through England. Sigh.... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:25:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I was happy to hear more about DNA presentations in Scotland. DNA NEWS: FamilyTreeDNA officers will be attending the Edinburgh Scottish Clan Gathering 2009. Plans for a visitors tent and presentations. Hope they can find some ELDER DNA connections for us! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:24:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We'll have information about it in the April Newsletter. I donate my copy to our library as soon as I finish with it. It's in the current issue that arrived today. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:23:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't receive Family Tree Magazine. Maybe more stories online somewhere? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:21:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do any of you get the Family Tree Magazine? Gene Kuechmann won a FT t-shirt in a contest telling of strange occupations. Check out page 63 to see the story. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:15:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That is all I can do for now! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:15:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Always frustrating to hear "NO MATCHES". Someone will always say, the next DNA will be a match, so we keep waiting.... FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:12:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I got all my DNA results back. No matches. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:11:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - we have had a very mild winter. And very dry. We are at only about 30% of normal rainfall. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:08:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Finding more description of Castle Garden resources at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ote/ships/castle-garden.htm Castle Garden: Ships Passenger Lists to New York 1 Aug. 1855 - 18 Apr. 1890 Castle Garden existed as a processing station for immigrants between 1855 and 1890. There is no separate set of records for Castle Garden, as there is for Ellis Island. That means that ships processed at Castle Garden are found on the micofilm of manifests (ships passenger lists) to New York in chronological order, along with all other ships sailing into the port of New York Immigrant Processing Stations at the Port of New York 1624-31 July 1855: no receiving station 1 Aug. 1855-18 Apr. 1890: Castle Garden 19 Apr. 1890-31 Dec. 1891: Barge Office 1 Jan. 1892-14 june 1897: Ellis Island 15 June 1897-16 Dec. 1900: Barge Office 17 Dec. 1900-1924: Ellis Island FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:07:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - we'd love to have temps in the 60s again and soon. I'm so tired of winter this year. It's been very unusual for our usually moderate climate. This freezing temperatures night after night is getting very tiresome! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:07:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Drat. Margaret left too soon: Pedigree Collection: Vol #8 Names listed on a Pedigree Chart Lipke, Caroline Pedigree Collection: Vol #8, pg 185 Index to Library Collection of Pedigree Charts TO ORDER COPY OF PEDIGREE CHART: (a) send self-addressed stamped envelope(s) with (b) 1 stamp per 5 copies ordered along with (c) $1.00 for each article if member, $2.00 each if non-member Society membership application MAIL TO: D/JCGS P.O. Box 91 OR Watertown, WI 53094-0091 Use of PayPal to pay for ordered clippings http://www.dodgejeffgen.com/ Lipke/Lipku, Paul Pedigree Collection: Vol #8, pg 185 FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:06:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Goodnight Margaret - see you next week! FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:05:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: All, it's past 8 p.m. so I will log out, and go home and check in next week. Thanks to all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:02:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes Pat. We are supposed to have rain/snow tomorrow night, but it will pass quickly. Supposed to be 60s by Sunday. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:01:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, this is the 1850 Census record that I found. I have been looking for Caroline, wondering what became of her after this. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:01:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey Jerry - we had snow this morning - does that mean more is headed your way? It didn't stick to our roads here but some accumulated in the higher elevations FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 4:00:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1850 United States Federal Census about Caroline Lipke Name: Caroline Lipke Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Birth Place: Preußen Gender: Female Home in 1850(City,County,State): Hubbard, Dodge, Wisconsin Household Members: Name Age Caroline Lipke 15 Henry Lipke 20 William Lipke 26 Hanah Melcher 44 Martin Melcher 22 Martin Melcher 50 FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:59:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy and Pat FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:59:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, This info. you just found is exciting to me. I did not know the name of their ship, nor how many were in their party. I will do some searching during the coming week and follow up when we chat again. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:59:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:58:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Jerry. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:58:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, sorry I don't have the info at my fingertips. Plus I hear Marge and Carol washing up and I think I will have to logoff soon. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:58:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:58:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops... Henich is Henrich FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:58:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everyone FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:56:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Caroline Lipke Name: Caroline Lipke Arrival Date: 23 Oct 1847 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Age: 11 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany Ship Name: Savannah Port of Arrival: New York, New York Line: 28 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_69 List Number: 829 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:55:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes it's from Ancestry Here's how they are listed on the image: Helena Limke, 53, female, farmer Wilhelm Lipke, 23, male, Farmer Carl Lipke, 22, male, Farmer Ferdinand Lipke, 17, male, farmer August Lipke, 14, male, farmer Henich Lipke, 21, Male, farmer Caroline Lipke, 11 (or 71), female FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:54:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looking in the same "NY passengers" on Ancestry.com, found some earlier entries for CIPRA, also. Name: Franz Cipra Arrival Date: 26 May 1877 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Age: 39 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Destination: United States of America Place of Origin: Bohemia, Czechoslovakia Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: Bohemian Ship Name: Main Search Ship Database: Search the Main in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: New York Line: 49 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_408 List Number: 436 Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States View Original Record View Passenger List up arrow Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save for later evaluation. Save Source Citation: Year: 1877; Arrival: New York , United States; Microfilm serial: M237; Microfilm roll: M237_408; Line: 49; List number: 436. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:53:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, is this NY Passenger List a database on ANcestry? Caroline was living with Henry and William in the 1850 Census in (I think) Dodge Co., WI. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:51:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, Yes, the 23 Oct 1847 ones match the ones I'm looking for. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:51:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There's a Henrich & Wilhelm (Henry and William) FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:50:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Any of these? New York Passenger Lists August Lipke 23 Oct 1847 abt 1833 Hamburg, Germany Savannah Carl Lipke 23 Oct 1847 abt 1825 Hamburg, Germany Savannah Caroline Lipke 23 Oct 1847 abt 1836 Hamburg, Germany Savannah Ferdmand Lipke 23 Oct 1847 abt 1830 Hamburg, Germany Savannah Henrich Lipke 23 Oct 1847 abt 1826 Hamburg, Germany Savannah Wilhelm Lipke 23 Oct 1847 abt 1824 Hamburg, Germany Savannah FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:50:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, Henry LIPKE, aka Johann Heinrich LIPKE, and his brother William LIPKE, aka Friedrich Wilhelm LIPKE, came over with their mother Maria Magdalena (nee LEMMERS). The names were found for me on the Brandenburg Departures on Ancestry. I am not SURE of the name of the database. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:48:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Margaret, what LIPKE's are you looking for? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:48:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sounds good Margaret. I think I told you last week how to get into the transcript tonight so you don't have to take notes here tonight. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:47:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hope none of the rest of the Vancouver folks here tonight have gotten this rotten flu. Not a lot of fun. I've had it almost two weeks and am finally feeling better - not completely recovered but better anyway. It began with a bad sore throat and then a horrible cough. My asthma hasn't been helped by it any either! It's apparently going through this area like wild fire. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:45:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I found a web page of Brown County, WI Cemeteries and will look at it when I get home. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:37:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Marge! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:37:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks for being with us again this evening - we enjoy your company! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:36:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did find an article about Podcasting at Sno-Isle Library ..."Maybe you're familiar with Podcasting, or maybe you have just heard about it and are curious. Well, Sno-Isle Library has a page for you on the website at http://www.sno-isle.org/. Once at the website, go to Books, Movies, Music and then to Books. Click on Podcasts. The first item listed is Nancy Pearl's Book Recommendations, recorded during a Camano Island Library program. You can either download the Podcast for future listening or listen to it right now. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:36:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now, I must get my assigned chores done... take care... see ya next week... FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:35:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes. I am getting a "taking too long to respond" message when trying it. Glad it is not just me. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:34:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy - I posted a query Margaret sent earlier. It's down at 7:12 pm FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:34:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Didn't work for me, either, although I used Heritage Quest 'bout an hour and a half ago FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:34:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Description: Sno-Isle Regional Library System Twenty-one community Sno-Isle Libraries plus Bookmobile, Outreach and Childcare services located in Snohomish and Island counties in Washington State ... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:33:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I tried the webpage, but it didn't work for me. at http://www.sno-isle.org FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:33:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Dunno, Steve... that's the public library, right? FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:31:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is the Sno-Isle Library website down this evening? FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:29:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Carol is helping me find it on that site right now. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:28:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Margaret - you might try looking at the Wisconsin web page for help. This is a free one. http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/vitalrecords/ FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:26:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve, I don't have any documents at all. It was a query, where they also didn't know any more. Other info in the WorldConnect doesn't match the census I have for 1920 and 1930, tho. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:24:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: So is the Frank J. Cipra who immigrated in 1887 the same person as Frank V. Cipra? What is the supporting documentation on the Frank V. Cipra in Ohio in 1876? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:20:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WorldConnect has a FRANK J. CIPRA # ID: I110833149 # Name: FRANK J. CIPRA # Given Name: FRANK J. # Surname: CIPRA # Sex: M # Birth: July 12,1881 in Bohemia # Death: 28 Oct 1973 in Cleveland,Ohio.(Joseph J.Vito Funeral Home,6130 Turney Rd). # Immigration: 1887 http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2161202&i d=I110833149 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:17:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That query reminded me that I haven't been able to find an 1880 census for Frank V. CIPRA, supposed to be in OHIO from 1876. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:16:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I will start with the LDS catalog for the Brown County, WI and Calumet County, WI death records. Possibly also look for an obit of her son Lewis KURTH (aka Ludwig) in both counties. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:14:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, thank you. Since the chat last week, the info. from the Milwaukee city directory makes me think the Louise KURTH who died there in 1893 (widow of Albert) is not the one I'm looking for. I think I should search the Brown County or Calumet County death records. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:13:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I finally keyed in SIGS in my e-mail file and found it. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:13:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I found this query! It's from Margaret Summitt! Seeking death info on Louise or Louisa KOERTH. In German it's KO(umlaut)RTH. The pronunciation is guttral and the final H is silent. I have found every spelling variant imaginable, including KOERT, GORT, HORT and HURT. I have a marriage record for Louise, maiden name NICOLAI or NICKOLEY, married 18 Feb 1824 in Jankendorf, Posen Province, Prussia, to Gottfried KOERT. Louise was the third daughter of the deceased innkeeper Peter NICKOLEY. At the time of her marriage she was age 24; this would place her birthdate about 1800. Husband Gottfried died 17 Nov 1846 in Prussia. On Ancestry.com you will find that her husband's death date has been wrongly given to Louise. Louise and Gottfried had seven children. Three of them died in childhood. Three of them came to America and were married and had children. The other, daughter Louise (b. ca. 1831) I have found no record of after her confirmation in Jankendorf in 1845. Louise as a widow came to America, arriving 5 Dec 1857 on the ship "Louisiana" in New York. With her came her son Daniel and his wife Wilhelmine (ROSENAU) and their children, and other relatives of Wilhelmine. I find Louise in the 1880 Census for Maple Grove, Manitowoc Co., WI, living with her daughter in law Wilhelmine and family. Louise was aged 79 in the 1880 Census. The surname is indexed KOCETH by familysearch.org. I have not found Louise in the 1860 or 1870 Censuses. I would guess she was dead by 1900, certainly by 1910. Family lore says: Louise lived part of the time with her son Daniel and part of the time with her son Ludwig, aka Lewis. Son Daniel served in the Civil War 1864-65, died 1871, resided in Maple Grove, Manitowoc Co., WI. Ludwig aka Lewis/Louis resided in Brown Co., WI (Holland Twp.) and died in 1927, is buried in Brillion Bluffs Cemetery, Calumet Co., WI. Louise is not buried in that cemetery, online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sheboygan/ . Family lore says: Louise had a sister, married surname possibly GRUENING. The sister lived ca. 1860 (or later?) near Beaver Dam, Dodge Co., WI. Louise and her son Daniel walked the 90-odd miles from Maple Grove to Beaver Dam to buy a heifer from this sister. I have not found any trace of her. Louise had a daughter, (Anna) Caroline, who emigrated to the US before her mother. Anna Caroline married Valentin Sprengler 5 Jan 1854 in Milwaukee. In the 1880 Census Valentin and Anna Caroline are living in O'Neal Township, San Joaquin Co., CA. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:12:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, Hmm. All later than 1840s. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:11:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: HERMAN LIPKE LABORER 22 M 10 Dec 1857 GERMANY WIELAND CHRISTIAN LIPKE LABORER 29 M 4 Jun 1866 GERMANY HERMAN CHARLOTTE LIPKE UNKNOWN 25 F 4 Jun 1866 GERMANY HERMAN AUGUSTE LIPKE CHILD, YOUNGSTER 1 F 4 Jun 1866 GERMANY HERMAN JOHANN LIPKE LABORER 30 M 1 Jun 1868 GERMANY MARCO POLO LOUISE LIPKE UNKNOWN 29 F 1 Jun 1868 GERMANY MARCO POLO ALBERT LIPKE INFANT 5 M 1 Jun 1868 GERMANY MARCO POLO LASE LIPKE UNKNOWN 63 F 2 Jun 1868 GERMANY BORUSSIA VIEBKE LIPKE SINGLE 28 F 22 Jun 1868 GERMANY HOLSATIA WILHELMINE LIPKE UNKNOWN 13 F 2 Jul 1868 GERMANY MARIE FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:10:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, I am searching for LIPKE who arrived in ca. 1847, probably at Castle Garden. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:09:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Castle Garden database at http://www.castlegarden.org FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:08:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I tried SMITH up to 1870. First several are: ABRAHAM SMITH BAKER 18 M 14 Apr 1834 FRANCE FRANCOIS I ALEXANDRE SMITH UNKNOWN U M 3 May 1859 FRANCE PORTLAND ANTONIO SMITH FARMER 28 M 16 Sep 1839 FRANCE CHARLES CARROLL BARBARA FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:07:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Castle Gardens has aarraival dates from 1830 to 1892. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:07:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, that's the case with the chat app I use (ORBITirc)... and it IS a bummer, for sure FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:06:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Margaret, The database search page shows 1830 - 1912. I'll try 1870. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:06:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, what is the address for the Castle Garden database? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:06:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This chat program is called Dr. B's something or other but it's no longer available and no one to help with anything. Bummer, huh? FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:05:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: For instance, the Island Register Channel can be accessed using ANY of the chat clients like mIRC or ORBITirc. OR a person can use the java applet access from the Island Register web site FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:05:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, does Castle Garden have any earlier arrival dates, say, from the 1870s? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:04:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The 1880's are ARRIVAL DATES. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:03:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat might have the name of our programmer for this Chat, as we have had other questions. I don't have any of those other apps, either. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:02:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'd need the IP (?) address... FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:02:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The only real way to test if mIRC would work here would just be to try it. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:01:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't own or use mIRC - I use ORBITirc which is no longer supported... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:01:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I looked for CIPRA in Castle Garden datbase, but it could be spelled differently, of course: FRANZ CIPRA CHILD, YOUNGSTER 4 M 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERICA FRANZ CIPRA BLACKSMITH 23 M 30 Jan 1880 BOHEMIA OHIO JOHANN CIPRA CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 M 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERICA JOHANN CIPRA LABORER 17 M 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERICA JOSEF CIPRA CHILD, YOUNGSTER 3 M 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERICA JOSEF CIPRA CHILD, YOUNGSTER 10 M 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERICA JOSEF CIPRA SMITH 23 M 8 May 1882 AUSTRIA HOHENSTAUFEN JOSEF CIPRA LABORER 40 M 30 Dec 1884 BOHEMIA RHEIN MARIA CIPRA CHILD, YOUNGSTER 8 F 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERICA MARIA CIPRA UNKNOWN 33 F 24 Jun 1886 AUSTRIA AMERI FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:00:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy: I'm just curious to see if I can use a chat app to access this channel OR am I limited to using the web-based portal? FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 3:00:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: IRC stands for Internet Relay Chat. Adding the M in front of it stands for Mardam-Bey (the developer). FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:57:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client The most popular shareware IRC chat client for Windows. www.mirc.com/ - 8 FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:56:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: All I could find on the Lyndon Gabriel Brick Wall this week was the same Rosellini order that Joy found (http://www.governor.wa.gov/execorders/eoarchive/eo05-19-60.htm). FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:56:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: His son Eugene also born in Ohio. 1920 Census (Ancestry.com) Name: Eugene Cipra Home in 1920: Dover, Cuyahoga, Ohio Age: 9 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911 Birthplace: Ohio Relation to Head of House: Son Father's Name: Frank V Father's Birth Place: Ohio Mother's Name: Ullie Mother's Birth Place: Ohio Marital Status: Single Race: White Sex: Male Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Household Members: Name Age Frank V Cipra 46 OH Bohemia Bohemia Ullie Cipra 39 OH Bohemia Bohemia Eugene Cipra 9 OH OH OH Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Dover, Cuyahoga, Ohio; Roll: T625_1374; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 529; Image: 628. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:56:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't know what "mIRC" is - maybe if Steve joins us tonight, he can tell us. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:55:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have a query, still working on the CIPRA immigrant from Bohemia. Where did Frank Cipra's father arrive in a ship from Bohemia, if Frank was born in OHIO in 1876. 1930 Name: Frank V Cipra Home in 1930: Dover, Cuyahoga, Ohio Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Birthplace: Ohio Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Ullie R Race: White Household Members: Name Age Frank V Cipra 54 OH Czech Czech Ullie R Cipra 50 OH Czech Czech Eugene B Cipra 19 OH OH OH Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Dover, Cuyahoga, Ohio; Roll: 1784; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 584; Image: 569.0. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:55:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: I was asked if a person could access this channel using a chat app like mIRC.... FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:54:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I didn't send anything new, but I am thinking now that I will look for my Louise KOERTH in the Brown or Dodge County, WI death records. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:54:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, none of the three of us has ANY idea of who would send a query... FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:54:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, Pat and Nancy. I mentioned the article on chatting I wrote for the March issue of the SIGS Sounder. I quoted both of you. The article should be uploaded in a day or two. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:53:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat and Nancy: this is great fun. I'm in the "dining room" with my laptop, Carol is at the front desk in the "living room" with her new "net-book" (sub-laptop) and Miss Margaret is in the computer room (in the "back bedroom") FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:52:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Marge - who from SIGS sent me another query to post this evening? I thought I could go right back and find it but haven't had any luck yet. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:50:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was thinking that Marge. Each year I buy $20 of tickets and have won things a couple of times. I buy that many tickets so I will have four $5 bills for change. Also, the things I win usually make great gifts. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:49:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was looking at the question that Marian posted and IF he was with the barracks in 1910, then he should be listed in the 1910 census. Might be worth a try. I don't know if he would be listed in the City Directory or not but that also would be worth a try. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:47:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks! FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:47:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat: if you buy a lot of tickets maybe YOU will win the SnoCo book FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:46:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:45:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi ladies! Yes the book arrived yesterday and I wanted to tell the "Chatters" about it tonight. Next month I'll have something in our Newsletter. "Snohomish County, Treasure of the Pacific Northwest" is a beautiful book, full of fantastic photos of the area. The photographers did a great job. And the people writing the accompanying articles made me want to go there and visit again! Thanks so much to Miss Marge and the rest of SIGS for this fine addition to our annual raffle at the seminar. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:42:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, Pat! FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:42:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, Pat! Did the book arrive? FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:35:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, all. Miss Marge is currently chatting on the Looking 4 Kin site. FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:23:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, all. The article on online chatting that I wrote for the SIGS Sounder is done and Miss Marge will upload it in the next day or two. Marge has been attempting to take me to other online chat channels but so far she has not been able to login tonight. I have been visiting the Island Register chat, though. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Feb 26, 2009 2:14:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Will be back in a bit... FROM: Marian on DATE-Feb 25, 2009 18:12:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Can anyone tell me where I can find a roster of the enlisted men in the U.S. Army at Vancouver Barracks for the period of 1904 to 1910. I have checked the microfilm at FVL and they are mostly officers listed on the film. My G-Uncle was a private there in Co. "B" 19th Infantry. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2009 2:18:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If there are records, I'd think writing to Camp Murray, WA would help determine where. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2009 2:17:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The Washington National Guard Museum at Camp Murray, Washington "The ARSENAL" Mission: Collect, preserve, display and interpret the historic properties and institutional heritage of the Militia and National Guard of Washington, so that departed comrades may be honored, present Guard members instructed and inspired and all citizens educated. Camp Murray Group tours are available Wednesdays at the Arsenal between 9AM and 2PM (please call in advance) and by appointment (253) 512-7834. Outdoor displays on the Camp Murray reservation are available weekdays for viewing and interpretation by appointment. "Welcome, and thank you for visiting the Washington National Guard webpage highlighting the Heritage and History of the Washington Army and Air National Guard skillfully displayed the in our Museum. The Museum is proudly sponsored and operated by the Washington National Guard State Historical Society." Major General Timothy J. Lowenberg The Adjutant General and Director of the Washington Military Department http://stateguard.washingtonguard.org/ FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2009 2:14:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: History A SHORT HISTORY OF THE WASHINGTON STATE GUARD The Washington State Guard (WSG) traces it's history back to 1855 when the Washington Territorial legislature enacted the first law creating the organized militia. After Washington became a state it created its state militia in 1890. The Washington State Militia served in the Philippines during the Spanish American War of 1898 – 1899. The Washington State Militia was exclusively under state control until 1903 when the Washington National Guard was formed and placed under both federal and state control. During World War One the exclusively state controlled Washington State Guard was reborn. The Third Infantry Regiment consisting of 16 companies, a medical detachment, and a machine gun company was formed in principal cities throughout Washington. After WWI the WSG was disbanded. On 01 November 1940, over a year before the U.S. entered World War Two, the Washington State Guard was again re-established with an Infantry Brigade and two Regiments. During WWII the WSG was used to guard vital installations and to patrol the coast lines. As an invasion of the U.S. mainland became less apparent, the role shifted to disaster assistance and civil defense. In 1947 the WSG was again disbanded. On 19 May 1960 Governor Albert Rosellini once more re-established the Washington State Guard to augment the Washington National Guard as an additional internal security force for the State and to replace the Washington National Guard when the latter is inducted into active federal service. The WSG has been serving continuously since then supporting the Washington Military Department in a variety of missions and assignments. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 22, 2009 2:09:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DEPARTMENT STATE OF WASHINGTON Office of The Adjutant General Camp Murray. Tacoma 33, Washington GENERAL ORDERS NUMBER 20 19 May 1960 EXECUTIVE ORDER 1. Pursuant to the provisions of Sec 109 Title 324 U.S. Code Annotated, and Sec 38.08.090. Title 38, Revised Code of Washington, the Washington State Guard Reserve is established as a part of the organized militia of the State. 2. In times of peace, the Washington State Guard Reserve will function as an additiorma internal security force within the State for employment, in event of an emergency declared by the Governor, to augment the National Guard in protecting life and property; preserving order and public ssfety; and taking preventive action against threats to the internal security of the State. 3. In event of a war or national emergency declared by the President, the Washington State Guard Reserve will replace the National Guard when the latter is inducted into active Federal service and thereafter provide an adequately trained militia force for employment within the State as directed by the Governor. The Washington State Guard Reserve will revert to its peacetime status upon return of the National Guard to State control. 4. The Washington State Guard Reserve will be organized and administered in accordance with regulations promulgated in orders by The Adjutant General. Albert D. Rosellini Governor and Commander-in-Chief FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 20, 2009 14:01:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking on the posting. It's looking good. See you next Thursday. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Feb 20, 2009 14:00:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This project comes from CCGS member Lyndon Gabriel: "I have been looking for in formation on the Washington State Guard Reserve. I believe my father was a member and I have been looking for any records. I have tried the State Archives, and National Guard but to no avail. My dad was Alfred Eugene Gabriel. He was born Mar 4, 1904, Dayton, Yamhill, Oregon. I'm pretty sure he would have been in the Washougal unit since we lived there all thru the war. Here is what I know: The Washington State Guard Reserve which was a "home guard" organization during WWII. It was authorized by Washington State Guard General Orders #7, March 20, 1942. There were units in 51 locations in the state, including: Camas, Vancouver and Washougal in Clark County. I cite Washington ARNG PAM 870-1-6, pgs 700-702 (found this at the CCGS Library). According to my reference, an enlistment contract for each individual was required. Muster and attendance records were also to be kept. If there were enlistment papers than there must have been discharge or some such when the units were disbanded. I have contacted both the State Archives and the Washington National Guard and they say that they have no records from these units. Does anyone have any ideas about where I might look??? "