February 8, 2007 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:57:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like it's about time to shut the door for this evening. Thanks for all the help everyone. It's been fun. Stay dry - and warm - and see you next week! Goodnight all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:57:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night all. Have a great week. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:57:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hope it makes more discoveries! Ready to sign off... See you next week. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:56:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looking forward to it, Pat. See you all next week. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:54:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here is that Joseph Cogswell, from the 1860 census, birth record: Cogswell, Joseph Cogswell, Henry Johnson, Faresa [should be Louisa] 30 Jun 1859 FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:54:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve - do you think there's any new information here for Sandra Gorby? It will take a bit of time to get it all in order and I hope Sandra will find a lot of info on her ancestors! You all did a great job. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:52:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've been searching for that e-mail about a brick wall type thing. I'll use it for next time. It might give you a challenge! I'll try to get it posted in the morning so you can all have a head start on it. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:44:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: John Cogswell, Filbert's father: 1860 United States Federal Census about John W Cogswell Name: John W Cogswell Age in 1860: 3 Birth Year: abt 1857 Birthplace: Kentucky Home in 1860: Rowan, Kentucky Gender: Male Post Office: Morehead Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Henry Cogswell 44 Louisa Cogswell 27 Lewis Cogswell 4 John W Cogswell 3 Joseph Cogswell 1 Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Pearce, Rowan, Kentucky; Roll: M593_497; Page: 126; Image: 255. Coggswell, Louisa, 39, f, w, Farmer, 600, 300, Kentucky Lewis, 14, m, w, at home, Kentucky John, 13, m, w, at home, Kentucky Joseph, 11, m, w, at home, Kentucky David, 9, m, w, at home, Kentucky Johnson, Lorida, 25, f, w, At home, Kentucky FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:42:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Maybe there's a connection between the 2 locations? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:40:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Bio Index in Eaton Co MI: PAST AND PRESENT OF EATON COUNTY http://www.rootsweb.com/~mieaton/Bio-Index.htm PERSONAL AND GENEALOGICAL Submitted by Jan Sedore ... Cogswell, Alvin H. (no link) .. If you don't see a link for the person you are researching below in the index, please email me at am0773@a1access.net and I will type it early for you. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:39:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If Filbert Cogswell is the connection, she needs to research in Rowan County, Kentucky (next to Bath county where they were in 1900/1910). There is a town called Cogswell there and a lot of Cogswell history FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:37:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Dimondale West Windsor Cemetery This cemetery was set off in a corner of land owned by Royal Tyler Cogswell who came to Windsor Township in 1838. The cemetery is located on the east side of Nixon Road about 1/4 mile north of Windsor Highway. Mr. Cogswell was the first sexton of the cemetery. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mieaton/eatontn.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:35:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Eaton Co Deaths: 1 2 025 1867, Sep 2 Cogswell, Zilpha F Single 13y 1m Windsor, Eaton Co., Michigan http://www.rootsweb.com/~mieaton/Eaton-County-Deaths.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:33:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another cemetery has some COGSWELL names: Sunfield Cemetery Section 14, Sunfield Township Eaton County, Michigan Submitted by: Sunfield Historical Society ... Cogswell Frank 00/00/1847 00/00/1915 7/6/1915 Mary Christina (???) A Cogswell Marion G. 11/28/1878 9/11/1951 9/14/1951 Frank & Mary (Burns) Cogswell Mary Burns 72 A 40 3 1s Cogswell Mary Christina 10/13/1856 11/14/1941 11/16/1941 Andrew & ??? (Keefer) Burns Frank Cogswell 85y 1m 1d A 40 3 4s Cogswell Stanley V. 00/00/1890 00/00/1891 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mieaton/Sunfield-Cemetery-Sunfield-Twp-C-D-Surnames.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:31:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like they have a good cemetery project going in Eaton Co MI: One of the Charlotte Cemeteries has obit links with the names. MOYER CEMETERY http://www.rootsweb.com/~mieaton/moyer-cemetery.htm ... OBIT Margaretta, wife of Theron Moyer, died April 19, 1878, age 36yr Charlie T., son of T. E. & M. A. Moyer, died April 28, 1863, age 2m 7d Hiram W., son of H. C. & Ann M. Olin, died August 4, 1861, age 12 yrs Henry A. Moyer, born Feb 12, 1812, died July 17, 1856 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:28:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Link to EATON COUNTY MI Genweb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mieaton/eatonmn.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:27:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charlotte Community Library 226 S. Bostwick Charlotte, Michigan 48813-1801 ______(517) 543-8859_____ http://www.charlottelibrary.org FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:24:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't have a subject yet for next week - hope I get another good one again! I did hear from one person a couple of weeks ago - now if I can just find that e-mail! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:24:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops. Forget the F. Cogswell death. MI death index said F was female: Michigan Deaths, 1971-1996 about F L Cogswell Name: F L Cogswell Birth Date: 23 Feb 1901 Death Date: 9 Jan 1987 Gender: Female Residence: Charlotte, Eaton, Michigan Place of Death: Lansing, Ingham, Michigan FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:19:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Some of my DROUILLARD family was in Sandusky and Port Clinton nearby, coming from Monroe Co MI: ..."Francois Drouillard changes name to Francis Stephen Druyor, married on Nov. 3, 1829 at St. Antoine, Raisin River to Julianna Jacob b. 1808 daughter of Stephen Jacob and Archange Dumay. The bride and groom resided near Sandusky." [ohio] Children: Paul Carrie Druyor 1830-1872, La Prairie,OH Mary Druyor 1833-1925Port Clinton OH- m. Nick McCall Nicholas Druyor 1835- never married- Civil War Elizabeth Sarah Druyor 1839- called Sarah- Port Clinton OH-m.Wm. Loop Stephen Frank Druyor 1842-1924 Port Clinton OH- called Frank-m.Arrilla Willis Allen Victoria Druyor 1846-1927 Port Clinton OH- never married Peter Druyor 1849-1911 Port Clinton OH -never married FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:18:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Social Security Death Index about F. Cogswell Name: F. Cogswell SSN: 382-05-1028 Last Residence: 48813 Charlotte, Eaton, Michigan, United States of America Born: 23 Feb 1901 Died: Jan 1987 State (Year) SSN issued: FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:13:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: More about Sandusky Library: http://www.sandusky.lib.oh.us/public/genealogylocalhistory.asp The Library's Genealogy and Local History Collection is located in the Lower Level within the Reference Services area, near the Archives Research Center. The Archives Research Center houses photographs, maps, documents, manuscripts, and other paper-based resources. The Genealogy and Local History Collection offers a variety of materials and resources to assist you in researching local history, your family's genealogy, and other historical facts. For online assistance, please click on the "Ask a Question" link on the menu on the left. You can also link directly to the Online Ohio Memory Book and our Archival Images Collection. And coming soon, you will even be able to take a "virtual tour" of the Follett House Museum! Follett House Museum Hours April, May, September, October, November, December Saturday: 12:00-4:00 p.m. Sunday: 1:00-4:00 p.m. June, July, August Tuesday-Saturday: 12:00-4:00 p.m. January, February, March Closed Free Admission - Air Conditioned FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:09:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I still find it curious that I can't find a Phillip Cogswell that fits the data given. And I don't find anything on the woman named Violet that he married later. That's why the Filbert intrigued me. That and the fact that she also had the Waring father's name as John and it was James FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:09:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sandusky Reference: Located on the Lower Level of The Randolph and Estelle Dorn Addition, the Carnegie Library, and the old Erie County Jail is an area dedicated to research, local history, genealogy, and group study. Reference Services houses the Library's non-fiction collection, including biographies and back issues of more than 300 magazines, as well as Internet and general use computers. A service desk is staffed to assist patrons in the use of the collections. Welcome to our Online Reference Desk. Through this page you will be able to access a variety of different tools and links to assist you in researching different topics. The menu on the left has direct links to Ask a Reference Question or Ask a Genealogy Question. You also can link on to our 24 hour, seven day a week KnowItNow24x7 and HomeworkNow services. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:08:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Might be an obit at Sandusky Library 114 W. Adams Street Sandusky, OH 44870 (419) 625-3834 http://www.sandusky.lib.oh.us FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 5:05:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sometimes a person who dies young shows up in the SS index when they had a child collecting benefits. This happened with a schoolmate of mine who died in his early 50's but he had a couple of kids so I found his death listed there later. Up until that time I had no proof he had passed away because I didn't know where it happened. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:58:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: THis is possibly Nora's husband Frank. It's interesting though that he is listed as divorced. Ohio Deaths, 1908-1944 and 1958-2002 about Frank C Bright Name: Frank C Bright Birth Date: Est. 1912 Gender: Male Race: White Residence City: Sandusky Residence County: Erie Residence State: Ohio Residence Country: United States Death Date: 2 May 1973 Hospital of Death: Sandusky Memorial Hospital City of Death: Sandusky County of Death: Erie Certificate: 035394 Age at Death: 61 Certifier: Physician Autopsy: No autopsy Marital Status: Divorced Social Security Death Index about Frank Bright Name: Frank Bright SSN: 281-05-5064 Born: 28 Nov 1912 Died: May 1973 State (Year) SSN issued: Ohio (Before 1951 ) FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:58:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And if she was 42, she probably wouldn't show up in the SSDI. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:57:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jim! FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:57:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: SSDI only lists people who had a benefit paid out. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:57:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Unfortunately, I need to sign-off. Good night to all. See you next week. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:56:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This Nora M. Bright is not listed in the SSDI. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:54:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This is Nora's Death info Ohio Deaths, 1908-1944 and 1958-2002 about Nora M Bright Name: Nora M Bright Birth Date: Est. 1921 Gender: Female Race: White Residence City: Sandusky Residence County: Erie Residence State: Ohio Residence Country: United States Death Date: 2 Nov 1963 Hospital of Death: Sandusky Memorial Hospital City of Death: Sandusky County of Death: Erie Certificate: 82987 Age at Death: 42 Certifier: Coroner Autopsy: No autopsy Marital Status: Married FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:53:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ah, Ancestry has that one indexed as Filbert Coswell. It says he was born in Ohio, and his parents born in Ohio. He's a laborer in a Paper Mill. His birth would be 1894 though. And he was married at 31 years old FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:52:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Without specifying a birth year, the SSDI does contain 412 Nora's who died in 1963. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:50:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, that's not unusual for the SSDI. They don't seem to have a lot of records online for that timeframe. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:48:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see there is a Filbert Cogswell (36) who shows up in Lynchburg, VA, in 1930 (Series: T626 Roll: 2468 Page: 243). His wife is Henrietta (32). FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:48:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Saved Entries from the Ohio Death Index: COGSWELL, Elva W. - Death date: 8/19/1916, Butler County, Volume #2010, Certificate #47639 COGSWELL, Etta - Death date: 8/29/1916, Butler County, Volume #2010, Certificate #47640 COGSWELL, George E. - Death date: 4/15/1925, Butler County, Volume #4707, Certificate #20134 COGSWELL, John W. - Death date: 1/26/1919, Butler County, Volume #2857, Certificate #603 (This John W could be John W father of Filbert) FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:47:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Magisterial District 4, Bath, Kentucky; Roll: T624_463; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 8; Image: 485. Cogswell, W N, head, m, w, 52, wd, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, laborer, farm Elby, son, m, w, 19, s, Ohio, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, laborer, Planing Mill Gussie, daughter, f, w, 17, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Charley, son, m, w, 14, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Gordon, son, m, w, 12, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Filbert, son, m, w, 8, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Bessie, daughter, f, w, 6, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky WWI Draft Registration Charles Cogswell 21 615 Jefferson St, Midd. Ohio born January 20, 1896 Natural born in Garrison, Kentucky US citizen Paper maker, Gardner Harvey Paper Mill Co Supports wife, child and father Married Medium height, Medium build, blue eyes, light hair chest is injured filed: Middletown, Ohio June 5, 1917 FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:46:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Checking the SSDI, it does not list any Nora (first name) born in 1920/1921 and died in 1963. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:46:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's the Cogswell family (of Filbert in 1900... note that he has a sister named NORAH (Phillip & Jennie's daughter was named Nora) Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: White Sulphur, Bath, Kentucky; Roll: T623 508; Page: 15A; Enumeration District: 5. Cogswell, Jon. W, head, w, m, April 1857, 43, m, 15, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, Day Labor Hattie, wife, w, f, Mch 1870, 30, m, 15, 6/6 Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Nannie, daughter, w, f, July 1886, 13, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, At School Norah, daughter, w, f, June 1888, 11, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, At School Elba, son, w, m, Jany 1891, 9, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Augusta, daughter, w, f, Oct 1893, 7, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky Charlie, son, w, m, Jany 1896, 4, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky William G, son, m, w, Mch 1898, 2, s, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky (This is "Gordon" - William Gordon who was in Butler Co Ohio in 1930) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:44:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, Do you know anything about this William Webster. I thought he might know more about the Manor Church. ... Something for John, while I was looking for "Church history" and " Battleground, washington" http://www.christiantruth.com< Christian Resources is a non-profit teaching, apologetics and publishing ministry dealing with issues related to Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Gospel, Church history and the Christian life. The ministry is dedicated to the teaching and proclamation of the Gospel, a biblical and historical defense of the teachings of the Reformation and the discipling of believers in their Christian walk. The Director and Founder of Christian Resources is William Webster William Webster is also pastor of Grace Bible Church in Battle Ground, Washington, a Reformed Baptist Congregation. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:44:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Tomorrow I'll be giving my neighbor a Legacy disk and another disk with all the info you folks found for her on her Simpson folks. I have a gedcom, copy of the transcript and a couple of other things that I know she will enjoy. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:43:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This is more info that adds to my Filbert Cogswell theory. His family was in Butler County Ohio before 1920 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:41:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, He had asked the pastor if it had been Baptist, or maybe even Presbyterian before, when his family was here. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:41:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:40:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, what was he looking for? FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:40:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh, I just remembered that I didn't post everything I found, LOL FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:39:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, John has logged out, but I am sending him some e-mail. I'll send that info, too. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:39:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:39:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy - you've been doing a great job on these brick walls. Thanks for all your hard work! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:39:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy, Thanks again for all the good info you posted. Should be alot of clues in everyone's ideas. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:39:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: John, I've worked at a sister church to Manor Evangelical for 25 years. It only became "Evangelical" in the late 40's. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:37:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: hi everyone FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:37:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I thought I'd ask one of our members who goes to the library occasionally. I never get down there any more and we don't have the newspapers on microfilm out here in Salmon Creek. They definitely are not in the cut and paste stuff. Those papers were all more current that we worked on this week plus those already on the shelves don't cover the dates you wanted. A couple of death certificates might be another way to go. Perhaps we can ask Charles to check his WA death index at home and see if he can find that one guy. Was the person certain that he died in Clark County? Or was it Vancouver, BC? FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:35:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, I am fine this evening. After having a very dry January (less than 1/2-in of rain during the entire month), it resumed raining yesterday afternoon. It is currently raining. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:35:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ohio has birth records from 1908 on. She can purchase a copy of Nora Cogswell's certificate from: Ohio Department of Health Vital Statistics 246 N. High Street, 1st Floor, Revenue Room P.O. Box 15098 Columbus, Ohio 43215-0098 Turn around is estimated at 2 to 3 weeks from the day the request is received. However, people are urged to allow sufficient time for delivery for all birth/death records. Mail a check or money order of $16.50 for each certificate. Need: Name at birth Date of birth Place of birth Mother's Maiden name Father's name Your area code and daytime phone number FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:35:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, good observation. As this point there is nothing to establish that she was married, as opposed to just using the Cogswell name. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:33:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The 2 orbits may not be in the stuff being cut and assembled at the library. Someone may have to check at the public library or the woman may have to write for them. FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:32:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If a person is born on 8 Jan 1920, he or she might not show up in the 1920 census taken on 21/22 Jan. The census was intended to record the individuals living as of a given date (Jan 1 in this case), not the date of census taker coming to your home. Likewise, if someone died on 8 Jan before the census taker arrived, they should be recorded in that census. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:27:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim - I still haven't had any luck at getting those two obits. I'm going to try one more person. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:23:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim, How are you this evening? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:23:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Do you have John's e-mail to send the tidbits about Church history? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:22:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Howdy Jim FROM: Jim on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:22:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:22:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: William Webster might know some Scottish history - has has posted: Pictures: Left: John Calvin as a Young Man from the painting by Holbein at Castle Ashbach, near Bamberg, West Germany. Right: Statue of John Knox Outside of St. Giles' Cathedral, Edinburgh. Both photographs taken from Sketches From Church History by S.M. Houghton (Banner of Truth, Edinburgh, Publisher) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:21:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Something for John, while I was looking for "Church history" and " Battleground, washington" http://www.christiantruth.com Christian Resources is a non-profit teaching, apologetics and publishing ministry dealing with issues related to Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Gospel, Church history and the Christian life. The ministry is dedicated to the teaching and proclamation of the Gospel, a biblical and historical defense of the teachings of the Reformation and the discipling of believers in their Christian walk. The Director and Founder of Christian Resources is William Webster William Webster is also pastor of Grace Bible Church in Battle Ground, Washington, a Reformed Baptist Congregation. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:13:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve - perhaps that is why she was there. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:11:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In separate emails, Sandy Gorby gave me two dates for her mother's birth, 8 Jan 1920 and 1921. If she was born in 1920, the she should have shown up on the census (enumerated on 21 & 22 January). If she was born in 1921, then Jennie became pregnant in eary April 1920. Hopefully, she wasn't in the institution at the time. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:11:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve - a little to soon: The Ohio Historical Society hosts this online index of inmates' case records from the Boys Industrial School in Lancaster and the Girls Industrial School in Deleware to improve access to this resource for genealogical and family history research. Currently, this database indexes the admission records from 1858 to 1915. OHS intends to continue the indexing project to cover the period to 1920. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:10:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Goodnight John - come back again soon. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:10:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, I meant John, for the Church info. FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:09:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: G'night all, the dogs are requesting my presence outside. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:09:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve, I don't see any history info on the Church webpage, but the e-mail address might be a place to ask about history. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:07:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thanks Judy - I'll send Diana a note. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:07:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, Pat. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:06:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No Steve FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:06:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another possible census entry for Jennie Warings family: Name: James Waring Home in 1900: Richardson, Grand, Utah Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Birthplace: Kentucky Relationship to head-of-house: Head Spouse's name: Mary E Race: White Household Members: James - 44 Mary E. - 30 Agnes - 3 Henry - 2 Sarah Weaver - 12 Willameta Weaver - 9 Nina Pulver - 7 William W. Hyde - 33 FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:06:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy - I just checked the web page. Is that link on the volunteer hours page the one you used? If so, it's forwarded to Diana so I will definitely check with her. FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:04:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I can call Pat, too. havent talked to her in a while. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:04:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Could be she was married but unable to care for herself....I had a relative that ended up in the "poor farm" pregnant and with a small child. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:04:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, did you find any way to look up the admission and exit dates from the institution? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:04:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That area where the church is located is served by both Vancouver and Battle Ground. The John Deer company, directly across the street and north of 179th is Vancouver - it gets to be very complicated. FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:03:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: some people say marriage is an institution, or the married folks should be in one, cant remember. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:03:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve, Someone didn't want her to be married? Or he left her? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:02:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see you found the address Nancy - I checked one of the phone books and it said street. I delivered mail there years ago and at that time it was Battle Ground but I thought maybe it had changed. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:02:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, she did run away from home, so could fit in with both "exposed" and "helpless". However, she lists "married" on the census ... so why was she in the institution? FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:02:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The website says Battleground. I think I emailed the pastor at one time, and he just said they didn't have any information, so I assumed that there might have been a change of denomination or something. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:00:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Wow, that is quite a label...imagine girls that were orphans would also be housed there. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:00:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The church is Manor Evangelical Church. The address is 17913 NE 72nd Avenue - it says Vancouver, 98686 but it might be Battle Ground, 98604 FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 4:00:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm searching now for a Phillip and Violet combination, but nothing so far (including the SSDI). FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:59:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Any idea if there has been a name change since around 1890-1900 or so? The reason is, I have always assumed that my Lindsays, being Scots Irish, were Presbyterian, but I have just made a link via DNA with a family who is prominent Scottish Baptists. It is just another angle to figuring this all out. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:59:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Yipes! I wonder how the helpless girls were treated by the vicious ones! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:58:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve - I found the same 1920 entry for Jennie as you. Census page has her listed as married, too. More info on the Girls Industrial School: "Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Ohio, That there shall be established, on land conveyed to the State for the purpose, a school for the instruction, employment and reformation of exposed, helpless, evil-disposed and vicious girls, to be called the State Reform and Industrial School for Girls" FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:58:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve, Thanks for your info, too! I think that Filbert sounds possible, as anything can happen with names... FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:57:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: These Cogswells are elusive. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:56:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Contact Information: Manor Evangelical Church 17913 N.E. 72 Avenue Battle Ground, Washington 98604 (360) 574-3584 Church Office (360) 574-6964 Church Fax E-Mail: manorec@reachone.com Church Website: www.manorevangelical.org FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:55:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: John - we had a balmy day here in Colorado Springs - got all the way up to 40 and a lot of the snow has melted off. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:55:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, it says MANOR EVANGELICAL CHURCH at the top of the page. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:55:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 17913 N.E. 72nd Avenue, Battle Ground, WA 98604 (360) 574-3584 Directions: From I-5 Heading North - exit at 179th Street (across from Clark County Fair Grounds) and turn right onto 179th Street. Church is approximately 4 miles at the intersection of 179th Street and 72nd Avenue. (See red star on map below) From I-5 Heading South - same as above but turn left after exiting and continue on 179th Street. (See red star on map below) http://www.manorevangelical.org/map.htm FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:54:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, the maps are great to tell you the place but to find the actual grave you have to go through the whole area. This other map had little letter markers. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:54:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, I found some great info in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 census, including Jennie May Waring's father and paternal grandmother, but Sandy's grandfather still eludes us (unless Joy's conjecture that his first name might have been "Filbert" holds true). FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:54:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey JerryT, Welcome to Wisconsin. Heat wave today, got up to zero, but the wind chill kept us humble. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:53:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, did you get a lot done at the cut and paste party. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:53:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy, I have the 2 Evergreen Cemetery volumes, and I see they have a map in the front with the different sections marked. I think the books are also kept at CCGS. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:52:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Greetings everyone FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:52:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was going to say Baptist but will try to find it. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:51:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's another question. Went to Evergreen MG to look for graves..and one of the groundskeepers had a book that had markers that showed plot locations. Do we have a copy of that at CCGS or have to go to cemetery for directions on the location of graves? FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:50:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I wrote to the church at one time, looking for info, and they had nothing, so I lost track of it, but I recall it as being Baptist or some iteration thereof. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:50:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Right - dixiearata and then @msn.com If I write it out together, I have to delete a lot of stuff from it when I do the transcript! I thought it was on the web page. Will check on that. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:49:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks, Thanks to Joy for finding so much info on the Cogswell query already! FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:49:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening Nancy and Jerry. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:49:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Where is Dixie's name listed as volunteer person? Didn't find it on the website. Type the whole name Dixiearata? or something else? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:48:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There is an old church, still in use, at the corner of 179th street and 72nd avenue. I'll look up the name - be right back. FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:48:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's a daily battle. FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:47:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I thought he was having a bout with "old timers' disease!" I have it quite often. FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:47:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ah, now I remember. There is a church near the Manor Wilson Bridge Cemetery - does anyone know the denomination of it? (particularly at the turn of the 1900 century?) FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:46:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It's not supposed to go to CCGS Judy - it should go to the volunteer hours chairman Dixie Arata - just type her name and at @msn.com I used to check the CCGS box but haven't done it for a long time. I'll let Diana know. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:46:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: John, that's called CRS (can't remember stuff). FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:45:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: At the moment I don't remember what it is... FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:44:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat...I tried to e-mail my volunteer hours and it bounced, said box was full....does anyone check the CCGS mail? FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:44:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks, I am on a mission! FROM: JudyR on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:44:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening everyone. Looks like people have been busy with the look up challenge FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:43:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello John - long time, no see. Glad you could join us this evening. FROM: John Lindsay on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:43:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening all, long time... FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:43:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Judy. Are you ready for the rain? FROM: PatB on DATE-Feb 8, 2007 3:38:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A friend, Nancy Hargiss of Indiana, sent me this message: "I believe Butler County was one with a large Quaker population so you might check those records also." FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 7, 2007 4:14:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Found this query from 2002 on Rootsweb: Classification: Query Surnames: my mothers name was nora mae cogswell, daughter of phillip cogswell who married jennie mae warring. they lived in portsmouth, and middletown oh. can you be of any help? phillip later married someone named violet. Not sure if Berylene1 is the same person as Sandra Gorby. Address is Berylene1@aol.com (from 2002) I am unable to find a Phillip Cogswell or Violet Cogswell that fit. FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 5, 2007 0:06:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1930 United States Federal Census about Gordon Cogswell Name: Gordon Cogswell Home in 1930: Middletown, Butler, Ohio Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1898 Birthplace: Kentucky Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Race: White Occupation: Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: Parents' birthplace: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Gordon Cogswell 32 Sarah Cogswell 28 Wilbur Cogswell 11 Theda Cogswell 5 1920 United States Federal Census about Filbert Cogswell Name: Filbert Cogswell [Filber Corwell] Home in 1920: Flint Ward 1, Genesee, Michigan Age: 19 years Estimated birth year: abt 1901 Birthplace: Kentucky [Michigan] Relation to Head of House: Brother Father's Birth Place: Kentucky Mother's Birth Place: Ohio Marital Status: Single Race: White Sex: Male Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 688 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Gordon Cogswell 21 Sara Cogswell 21 Wilbur Cogswell 1 3/12 William Carpenter 21 Rose Carpenter 19 Filbert Cogswell 19 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 5, 2007 0:03:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Not successful in finding a Phillip Cogswell, but would like to suggest a possibility that the father's name was not Phillip, but Filbert. (I know it's an odd, name but follow along). In 1930 in Middletown, Butler County, Ohio there is a Gordon Cogswell. He is also there for WW1 draft Registration in Sept 1918. In 1920 he is in Flint, Genesse, Michigan - and has a brother named Filbert living with him. In 1910 the brothers are with their family in Bath County, Kentucky. Filbert was born about 1902. I can't find him after 1920. 1910 United States Federal Census about Filbert Cogswell Name: Filbert Cogswell Age in 1910: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1902 Birthplace: Kentucky Relation to Head of House: Son Father's name: W N Father's Birth Place: Kentucky Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky Home in 1910: Magisterial District 4, Bath, Kentucky Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age W N Cogswell 52 Elby Cogswell 19 Gussie Cogswell 17 Charley Cogswell 14 Gordon Cogswell 12 Filbert Cogswell 8 Bessie Cogswell 6 WWI Draft Registration Gordon William Cogswell, 320 North St, Middletown, Butler, Ohio 20, b. March 14, 1898 Paper Finisher, Gardner-Henry P.C., Middletown Ohio Nearest Relative: Sarah Cogswell (wife) Tall, medium build, Blue Eyes, Brown hair Sept 12, 1918 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 23:34:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Lewis, Kentucky; Roll: M653_381; Page: 0; Image: 443. 3rd August 1860 Joseph Warring, 45, m, farmer, 1200, 2000, Ky Margaret, 31, f, Ohio David Martin, 28, m, Farmer, Ohio William A, 1, m, KY FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 23:34:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Crossing of Kinniconick, Lewis, Kentucky; Roll: M593_481; Page: 463; Image: 324. 22 August 1870 Warring, Joseph, 53, m, w, farmer, 800, 750, Kentucky Margaret, 41, f, w, Keeping House, Kentucky James T (or F), 9, m, w, Kentucky Nancy J, 7, f, w, Kentucky Julian, 6, f, w, Kentucky John F, 5, m, w, Kentucky FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 23:34:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1880 United States Federal Census about Mary Warren Name: Mary Warren Home in 1880: Quincy, Lewis, Kentucky Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Birthplace: Kentucky Relation to head-of-household: Daughter Father's name: Joseph Father's birthplace: KY Mother's name: Margret Mother's birthplace: OH Neighbors: View others on page Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Female Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Joseph Warren 65 Margret Warren 51 James T. Warren 19 Nancy Warren 17 July A. Warren 16 John F. Warren 15 Mary Warren 6 FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 22:26:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: THanks Steve FROM: Joy on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 22:19:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In 1920 they are in Flint Michigan FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 21:25:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: http://www.ohiohistory.org/resource/database/industrial/searchresults.cfm Boys and Girls Industrial Schools The Ohio Historical Society hosts this online index of inmates' case records from the Boys Industrial School in Lancaster and the Girls Industrial School in Deleware to improve access to this resource for genealogical and family history research. Currently, this database indexes the admission records from 1858 to 1915. OHS intends to continue the indexing project to cover the period to 1920. Inmate Name: Cogswell, Jennie (girl) Inmate Number: 5750 Volume Number: 3 Page Number: 24 Volume Dates: 1916-1944 FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 21:18:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Checked the "Ohio Death Certificate Index, 1913-1944" at http://www.ohiohistory.org/dindex and could not find Phillip Cogswell. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 21:06:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In the 1920 census (Series: T625 Roll: 1377 Page: 51) in the Girls Industrial Home at Concord Township, Deleware County, OH: Cogswell, Jennie, Inmate, F W, 16 M, KY, KY, VA Looked up Cogswell men 30 and under in OH in the 1920 census and found 4 (2 single, 1 married with a wife listed, and 1 married with no wife listed). The last one is: 1920 census (Series: T625 Roll: 1429 Page: 117) at Freemont, Sandusky, OH: Cogswell, William R., Roomer, M W, 30 M, NY, NY, NY In the 1910 Census (Series: T624 Roll: 482 Page: 193 ) at Quincy, Lewis, KY: Waring, James T., Head, M W, 49 M2, 5, KY, KY, KY Waring, Mary E., Wife, F W, 40 M1, 0 0, VA, VA, VA Waring, Lizzie, Dau, F W, 15 S, KY, KY, KY Waring, Henry, Son, F W, 13 S, KY, KY, KY Waring, Jennie, Dau, F W, 6 S, KY, KY, KY In the 1900 Census (Series: T623 Roll: 538 Page: 249) at 3rd Dist., Lewis, KY: Waring, James T., Head, W M, Jan 1860, 38 W, KY, KY, OH Waring, Arley D., Dau, W F, Jun 1890, 9 S, KY, KY, VA Waring, Linda?, Dau, W F, Oct 1872, 7 S, KY, KY, VA Waring, Lizzie, Dau, W F, Nov 1894, 5 S, KY, KY, VA Waring, Henry O., Son, W M, Feb 1897, 3 S, KY, KY, VA Waring, Margaret, Mother, W F, Dec 1829, 70 W, 5 4, OH, VA, VA Waring, Mary M., Sister, W F, Jul 1873, 26 S, KY, KY, OH If James was widowed prior to 1900, then obvously his first wife would not have been Jennie Mae Waring's mother. His second wife is probably not Jennie's mother either as Jennie's entry in the 1910 census shows her mother having been born in KY, not VA (Mary Waring's entry). Also, Mary is listed as having had no children when the census was enumerated and the length of her marriage to James is one year less than Jennie's age. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 4, 2007 21:05:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Received an email update from Sandy with the following added information: Nora Mae Cogswell, DOB 8 Jan 1921 (previously reported as 8 Jan 1920). Nora Mae Cogswell's first husband was Burl Clifford Gorby, b. Willeyvile, WV. Nora Mae Cogswell's second husband was Frank Bright. Jennie Mae Waring's father was John Waring, who owned a large farm in KY. Jennie Mae ran away from home when she was 16. FROM: Steve on DATE-Feb 3, 2007 21:10:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Summary of email from Sandy: Mother: Nora Mae Cogswell b. 8 Jan 1920, Middletown, Butler County, OH m. _____ Bright, d. __ Nov 1963, Memorial Hosp., Sandusky, Erie County, OH Maternal Grandfather: Phillip Cogswell b. (poss.) KY Maternal Grandmother: Jennie Mae Waring b. 1904, Garrison, Lewis County, KY. d. 1961, Providence Hosp., __________ I tried both the Cogswell and Waring surnames in the HeritageQuest database of the 1920 census and couldn't find them. Somebody with a 1930 index want to try them? FROM: Pat on DATE-Feb 2, 2007 16:54:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to be sure this is posted correctly. Not much to go on so it should be a real challenge. See you Thursday. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Feb 2, 2007 16:52:33 GMT-DATE EMAIL: patbauer@pacifier.com MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. We have lots of visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. AMONG TOPICS WE WILL DISCUSS THIS WEEK: (If you have help for this, please post it ahead of time in GenChat. This subject came from CCGS member Steve Aberle. He said it was passed along to him by the Cogswell Family Association. It was posted by Sandra Gorby and the subject is her grandfather: "I have absolutely no information on my mother's side of the family. She died when I was young. My grandmother also died young so I have no one to contact. My mother would be 84 years old now and was born Nora Mae Cogswell. she was born in Middletown Ohio..Her father was Phillip Cogswell, he may even been born in Kentucky. Can you help me get started? sincerely, sandra gorby" This should be a real challenge for our GenChatters this week. Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts by clicking below and following the links to the postings. Past transcripts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm