March 8, 2007 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:02:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: enjoy Joy,, a real keeper FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:02:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night Everyone FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:01:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: you were ALL great tonite,, thanks again,,, I am overwhelmed FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:01:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: She's itty bitty compared to some babies now days. She weighed in at 6 pounds 9 ounces FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:01:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight all! FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:01:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Guess it's time to close shop for another week. This has been fun and I hope Ron is able to find out more about his mystery man now. Hope to see all of you again next week. Thanks for all the help - keep warm (not too hot in SoCal Ron) and dry! Goodnight all! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:01:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well , guess it is time to go.Good luck on the Trautner research Ron. Hope we were of assistance! FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:00:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It's okay, Jerry... it's hard to tell at that age. :) FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:00:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was the first person to hold her mommy when she was born (after mommy and daddy, of course), and the first to hold Grace (after mommy, daddy, papa and nana). FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:59:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: oops, the blue blanket threw me off! FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:59:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Legacy Salmon Creek FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:58:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Must be a new grandson? FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:58:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: How exciting! I knew she was brand-new by that hat she's wearing Was she born in Vancouver? FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:58:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Her big brother (2 1/2) was showing her to me yesterday: "Sisser Grace. She pretty." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:57:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, Congrats! Good job! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:57:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: beautiful FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:56:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Auntie Joy was there for the delivery FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:56:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Her name is Grace Lynn Holeman, my first great neice, born Tuesday last week. FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:56:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy - explain this youngster to us! http://blackraptor.net/Joy/Grace003.jpg FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:55:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Odd, but Hanford is close to Oakland,, I wonder if mom was visiting any of HIS family.. long shot but who knows? FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:54:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: O.K. Joy - are you going to introduce us? FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:52:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just for fun... This is why I wasn't here last week http://blackraptor.net/Joy/Grace003.jpg FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:47:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957 about Clara Troutner Name: Clara Troutner Arrival Date: 15 Dec 1929 Age: 27 Birth Date: 15 Apr 1902 Birthplace: Hanford, California, United States Gender: Female Ship Name: President Taft Port of Arrival: Los Angeles, California Port of Departure: Hong Kong, China FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:47:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: very interesting FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:46:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Very late but interesting... California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957 Name: Russell Troutner Arrival Date: 15 Dec 1929 Age: 38 Birth Date: 9 Dec 1890 Birthplace: Edgwood, Missouri, United States Gender: Male Ship Name: President Taft Port of Arrival: Los Angeles, California Port of Departure: Hong Kong, China FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:44:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Too late, but interesting... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:44:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957 in Ancestry.com search: Trautner nope, maybe troutner... FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:42:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Around SA or east through the orient. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:40:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: so would they land on the east coast or travel around So. America or ?? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:34:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Interesting to see where they are all from. I'll look at some geographics. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:33:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Of course there were many people who came straight to Oregon and never landed on the east coast FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:33:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Didn't find 1889 tho: At Castle Garden search: First name Last name Occupation Age Sex Arrived Origin Ship Johann Trautner Infant 11 m M 24 Mar 1890 Germany Main Johann Trautner Unknown 15 M 13 May 1890 Germany Werra Johann Trautner Farmer 20 M 15 Aug 1894 Germany Wittekind Johann Trautner Laborer 23 M 29 Aug 1890 Germany Lahn Johann Trautner Farmer 40 M 29 Dec 1890 Germany Werkendam FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:31:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Lots of Trautners listed at Castle Garden. FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:30:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: In the 1900 census, the length of John and Anna's marriage is 11 years (matching the immigration year), so their marriage could have taken place in either country. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:30:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: man,, this site is great.. never heard of it before.. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:30:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ellis Island - 1894? First Name: Johann Last Name: Trautner Ethnicity: Germany Last Place of Residence: Date of Arrival: Aug 15, 1894 Age at Arrival: 20y Gender: M Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Wittekind Port of Departure: Bremen Manifest Line Number: 0022 FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:29:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about John Troutner Name: John Troutner Year: 1900 Place: Oregon Source Publication Code: 251.1 Primary Immigrant: Troutner, John Source Bibliography: BALFOUR, GYNETH S. "Washington County, Oregon-Index of Naturalizations." In Bulletin: Genealogical Forum of Portland, Oregon. Vol. 33:3 (Mar. 1984), pp. 125-136 (G-N); vol. 33:4 (June 1984), pp. 177-188 (N-Z). Page: 185 FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:26:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, but not for Castle Garden! http://www.castlegarden.org/ FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:26:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Steve! Maybe we can find him in Ellis Island 892 Ellis Island Opens The first Ellis Island Immigration Station officially opens on January 1, 1892 FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:25:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thanks,, is this too early for Ellis Island? FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:24:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: On the 1900 census enumeration that Jerry found, I looked at the original on HQ (Series: T623 Roll: 1353 Page: 221) and see that John "Troutner" was born in Aug 1863 and his wife Anna was born in Jun of 1863. His immigration date is listed at 1889. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:24:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ventura is near Santa Barbara FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:23:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I may go to the Venura County CA recorders office to find the details.. All i have is certificate that it happened.. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:22:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nancy, I doubt the definition has changed much from 1941... I really wonder what is the the correct reason from these listed... as suggested, the prior marriage of his might be it.. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:22:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Boy, Nancy, that opens a whole new line of thinking! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:18:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Google.com for California Annulments.. An annulment (or "nullity of marriage" or "nullity of domestic partnership") is when a court says your marriage or domestic partnership is NOT legally valid. A marriage or domestic partnership that is incestuous or bigamous is never valid. Other marriages and partnerships can be declared "void" because: * of force, fraud, or physical or mental incapacity; * one of the spouses or partners was too young to legally marry or enter into a domestic partnership; or * one of the spouses or partners was already married or in a registered domestic partnership. Annulments are very rare. If you ask to have your marriage or domestic partnership annulled, you will have to go to hearing with a judge. http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/family/divorce/intro.htm FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:15:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: Kate M Trautner County: Washington Marriage Date: 30 Jul 1912 FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:12:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy,, mom was married 1934 in Stevenson, by 1939 she is in Oakland CA with 'friends'. In 1942 her sister Faye Wood-Rosencrans is in Ventura CA with her husband Glenn Argyle whose family is from Amboy. Anyway, Edith comes to visit, friends match up dad Ralph with Edith for a blind date at a dinner party, a week later he proposes. WW2 is going and dad has enlisted in the Navy. SOOOO for whatever story you want they convince the Judge to annul so she doens't have to return to Vancouver to divorce. SOOOO the get married 4 days after the annulment.... AND NO she wasn't pregnant that quick as my brother wasn't born until 1943... I think that is a plausible story, FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:11:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: More on that Joseph entry: Case# 672 Name Trautner, Joseph Date 9/27/1901 Record Type Delayed Birth County Washington Source Health FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:10:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: oops forget email: reference.archives@state.or.us FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:08:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another entry: Case# V 1 pg 005 Name Trautner, Johann Date 2/5/1889 Record Type Intention/Naturalization County Washington Source County Identifier co crt jrl FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:08:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: You can request copies of the records: Researchers may submit requests for research, copies, and other services to the State Archives in person or by telephone, fax, postal mail, or e-mail: Oregon State Archives 800 Summer St NE Salem, OR 97310 503-373-0701 ext. 1 Fax: 503-373-0953 Fees: Basic records request: $5 in-state; $10 out-of-state*. This includes copying charges, postage and supplies. It applies to one-page documents. A Basic Records Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a citation from the death index, a record listed in the Oregon Historical Records Index) in the custody of the State Archives. Basic case file request: $10 in-state; $15 out-of-state*. This includes up to 10 photocopies, postage and supplies. Additional photocopy pages are charged at 75 cents per page. A Basic Case File Request must provide an exact citation to a record (e.g., a record listed in the Oregon Historical Records Index) in the custody of the State Archives FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:06:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron, I was trying to understand why after being married so long it was not a divorce, but annulled. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:06:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: But now we traced the actual families, so more sure of finding the right records in naturalization papers. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:05:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - no I don't think so. If you scroll down you will see that Steve listed all this earlier. It is from the Oregon State Archives http://genealogy.state.or.us/ FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:04:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Naturalization records in Oregon are found in the court records of the county where the documents were filed. These records are either found at the Oregon State Archives or with the County Clerk or Trial Court Administrator for that county. Naturalization information may also be found in County Court Journals, County Court Case Files, Circuit Court Journals, Circuit Court Case Files, Probate Records and the Miscellaneous Records. However, extensive research may be necessary in order to locate naturalization records interfiled within these record series... http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/natural.html FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:02:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: i will try that,,, hopefull survivors are listed.. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:02:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ah, the Naturalization! Great! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:02:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: jerry,, nice find,,, this makes him 9 years older than mom.. still 32 and 24 when married.. does case # equal a birth date?? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:02:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Trautner, Johann 2/5/1889 Intention/Naturalization Washington County V 1 pg 005 FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:01:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Okay Ron, perhaps you can get obit from RAOGK for Peter and there will be some mention of Joseph FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:01:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Case# 0672 Name Trautner, Joseph William Date 9/27/1901 Record Type Evidence County Washington Source Health FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:01:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 about August Marion Trautner Name: Trautner, August Marion County: Washington Death Date: 11 Jul 1927 Certificate: 153 FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 4:00:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Case# Vol 3: Pg 40 Name Trautner, August Date 2/1/1919 Record Type Commitment County Washington Source County Identifier Remarks discharged FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:59:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hillsboro Pioneer Cemetery Hillsboro, Washington County, Oregon Trautner, Peter J., b. 19 Nov 1893, d. 18 Feb 1931, Oregon, PFC, 20th Co. 20th Engineers FORS, World War I, [JG] FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:58:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Jim FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:58:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jim! FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:57:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The children were underage...parents died FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:57:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nite jim,, send rain FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:57:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: August Troutner [Augusts Troutner] Home in 1920: Gaston, Washington, Oregon Age: 23 years Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Birthplace: Oregon Relation to Head of House: Brother-in-law Father's Birth Place: Germany Mother's Birth Place: Germany Marital Status: Single Race: White Sex: Male Image: 1216 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Spallinger 47 Kate Spallinger 29 Annie Spallinger 7 Elizabeth Spallinger 4 9/12 Edward Spallinger 3 4/12 August Troutner 23 Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Gaston, Washington, Oregon; Roll: T625_1505; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 437; Image: 1216. FROM: Jim on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:57:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm going to sign-off as I don't have access to any of the resources that Ron needs. Good night to all - don't forget about the time change Sunday AM. FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:55:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - his wife probably died and he had to get guardianship of his own children. I have one for my great grandfather in 1857 when his first wife died. That was in Missouri. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:53:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: judy, i am not familiar with the term in this context.. what does guardianship mean here do you think? FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:52:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oregon Archives lists Troutner. August, Joseph & Thedore guardianship, Washington County, #2101 And the father is listed as Naturization 2/5/1900 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:51:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now we might see the Immigration date? FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:51:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ok,,, he signed my moms highschool autograph book in 1928 from Yacolt, but I her sister Faye Wood was going to school in Portland and I think that might be the link.. but i dont have Faye's yearbooks,, she was born in 1913 so I'm guessing high school from 1928-1931ish?? i am hoping he is in there somewhere also FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:49:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It would not be uncommon for a desease such as cholera to wipe out most, or all of a family FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:47:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1910 census for Gaston, Washington, OR John Troutner is head and Joseph age 9 FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:47:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If Peter and Joseph are correct, here is the 1900 census for the famiy: Name: Peter Troutner Home in 1900: Wapato, Washington, Oregon Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Birthplace: Oregon Relationship to head-of-house: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Anna Race: White Occupation: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Troutner 36 Anna Troutner 37 Katie Troutner 10 Peter Troutner 6 Albert A Troutner 3 Susie Troutner 1 FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:46:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: good thought pat,,, hmmmm Oregon or Stevenson??? more digging still to come FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:44:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Peter registered for the WWI draft. Says he was born in Gaston OR FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:41:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - he might have been married prior to marrying your mom. Ever think of that? I'll bet if you do some searching you will find another divorce - and maybe a marriage! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:41:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: pat,,, mom was or became quite religous,, and i think the fact of being divorced or annulled embarrased her of made her feel ashamed in the eyes of the church. She turned down a deaconess opportunity offered to her because she felt it "just wouldn't be right" with God. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:39:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Checked the 1930 census for Peter and he is still living with the Scott family as a boarder FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:39:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: if this is corrct, then when they got married in 1934 Joe is about 32 and mom (Edith) is 24. for that time (1930's)they are "older" than most people marrying arent they? Maybe the depression held them off?? FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:38:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - that seems kind of odd that your mom's marriage to this first husband was never mentioned. My dad had a first wife, before my mom in 1930 and my step mom in 1938. Even I knew about her and I actually have a copy of their wedding photo. She was a very pretty blond lady. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:36:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks liks the brothers were working in a logging camp. Peter was a faller and Joseph a choke setter FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:35:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: you all are great.. i am getting gray hair from this quest.. (oops.. too late...lol) I am looking things up as we go here..thx FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:34:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:34:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim, We are making some progress, all working together! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:33:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now I see them both, too! 1920 Name: Peter J Trantner [Peter J Troutner] Home in 1920: Cherry Grove, Washington, Oregon Age: 26 years Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Birthplace: Oregon Relation to Head of House: Boarder Father's Birth Place: Germany Mother's Birth Place: Germany Marital Status: Single Race: White Sex: Male Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 730 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alexander M Scott 30 Wellie R Scott 28 Wallace A Scott 8 Peter J Trantner 26 Joseph L Trantner 18 Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Cherry Grove, Washington, Oregon; Roll: T625_1505; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 400; Image: 730. FROM: Jim on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:33:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening. It looks like everyone is here tonight! FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:32:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Doesn't look like the LDS FHL has a city directory that would help (reference: http://users.starpower.net/drkehs/census/citydirs/fhscitydirs.htm#OREGON FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:32:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's the 1920 page on Joseph Trautner from ancestry Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Cherry Grove, Washington, Oregon; Roll: T625_1505; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 400; Image: 730. It's indexed as Joseph L Trantner FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:32:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron, he is listed in ancestry but spelled Trantner. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:30:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There is a big difference in the indexes for HQ and Ancestry. They used different methods to produce the index, so you often don't find the same entries for the same place and time. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:28:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: oh,, ok,, i dont see him in ancestery FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:27:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ron - that is on Heritage Quest, not Ancestry FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:27:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thanks Joy,, yes,, I have a copy and a copy of the register page from the County office in Stevenson FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:26:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - yes, that is the 1920 census: 1920 > OREGON > WASHINGTON > CHERRY GROVE Series: T625 Roll: 1505 Page: 50 FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:26:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron, has anyone checked for the marriage APPLICATION in Skamania County, Washington? If there is one, it usually contains more detail about the individuals than the marriage certificate. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:25:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thx pat.. i like your suggestions FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:25:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: jerry i dont see him in the 1920 census.. is there something else you are looking at?? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:25:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: He is a boarder, but there is also a Peter J Trautner, b oregon, must be a brother. Both parents listed as born germany FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:24:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - that fellow could have died in WWII - you might check out that possibility. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:22:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Does the TRAUTNER parent have an immigration date? FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:22:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I had forgotten that you said that Jerry. We can all go out to lunch after the meeting. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:22:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, thx,, this looks like a census?? I will go to ancestry to look,, perhaps i missed this FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:22:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've been working the city directory angle for the past few minutes. Nothing yet. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:22:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening Joy FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:22:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Should have put the headings: Surname Given Name Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:21:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - how about the WWII draft cards? Anyone know if they are available yet? You could probably find him there. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:21:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy,, perhaps.. I might have to hire someone to explore for me.... FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:21:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - I am going to be in Tacoma that week and hope to make it. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:20:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron, suppose he might be listed in a city directory? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:20:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy, We have a Quilt and Crochet group that knits afghans and lap robes, plus some small quilts for the homeless. A few people go elsewhere to sew for children. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:19:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: TRAUTNER JOSEPH L 18 M W OR OR WASHINGTON CHERRY GROVE 1920 Not Joseph W. but the middle name would be easy to get wrong. FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:19:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Are you folks going to attend the March CCGS meeting? We'll excuse Ron and Jerry from this - it's too far to come from California or Colorado! If you come to the meeting, you will be able to meet Carolyn Ellertson, our GenChat lady. She's going to be telling about "Aprons Through the Ages" FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:18:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Found Ron's query on TROUTNER Discussion List-- no replies, tho. at http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.trautner/6/mb.ashx Joseph W. Trautner New carol2ron (View posts) Posted: 12 Jul 2000 11:10PM GMT Classification: Surnames: Looking for info on this man from the 1920's thru the 1930's around Vancouver, Washington. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:18:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thanks nancy,,, sadly, Joseph W. Trautner is all I have to go on... no parents, DOB, DOD, anything,,, as you all are finding it seems he didn't exist... tough nut to crack FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:18:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Lots of Germans in Texas FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:17:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, do you still have a group at Van Mall that makes clothes for children? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:15:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: using Google.com for "Theodore TRAUTNER" found another one, lots of GERMAN names in TX: Page: 141; Date: Feb 17, 1970; Place: St. John's Church; Groom: Theodore Trautner, bachelor; Groom's Age: 24; Groom's Residence: Wesleyco, Texas; Groom's Parents: Clinton C. Trautner, Phyllis Galington Trautner; Bride: Sue Gilliam, maiden; Bride's Age: 19; Bride's Residence: McAllen, Texas; Bride's Parents: Hilburn Doyle Gilliam, Virginia Ann Frizell Gilliam; Minister: James H. Watt, rector http://www.columbustexas.net/library/church%20records/colepis4.htm FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:15:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Anyone need a subject to research? I am looking for a William Solomon Kellogg DOB about 1858 in Lyons County, IL. Married a Hattie Rider, divorced and can't seem to find him again. FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:13:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thanks pat,, i should/coulda went to portland last july-august,, but i spent my two weeks in Clark county instead,, i guess i need another trip up there FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:13:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron, Instead of subtracting, he could add your name for source! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:12:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nancy,, i hear that,, i have talked with him about our ADAMS connection,, but he has not taken my info off his site.. oh well.. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:11:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Ron, If he's such a good communicator, he could have asked! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:11:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: About MJReese.com Originally launched in 1997 as a college site during my undergraduate days at the University of Wisconsin - Parkside, the site was hosted on a college server and contained a lot of personal information. As I have been a life long genealogist (since the fourth grade) I wanted a better outlet to continue my research and reach more people. As a result, I expanded the site to my AOL account then to a local Wisconsin Internet provider once I moved to Boston. This provider hosted the account until 2000 when mjreese.com was purchased and The MJReese.Community was launched. Education Post Baccalaureate Certification: Grades 1-8 Master of Arts in Teaching Cardinal Stritch University, Milwaukee, WI Master of Arts in Integrated Marketing Communication Emerson College, Boston, MA Bachelor of Arts in Communication University of Wisconsin - Parkside, Kensosha, WI FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:10:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: hi nancy,, mildred Edith, is my mother,, and the website posting for her is mine... as taken be marshall reese without permission FROM: Dolores on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:10:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, yes I have cable and it is fast, but if the DSL was available I would prefer to have that. I would never be able to explain to my son that I did not have it by choice. I hope the kind lady who returned the scrap books to me, in So, Calif does join us this evening. She may be thinking that her subject will not be until next week. FROM: JudyR on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:09:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening...everyone enjoy the sunshine today? FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:09:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gosh Ron - 95 doesn't sound that welcome to me! I like cool. A temp around 65 is just about right for us. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:09:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Howdy Judy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:08:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another entry for Mildren at http://www.mjreese.com/genealogy/interactive/g404.html#I4040 lists: Mildred Edith Wood < Ronald David Adams < Donald Allen Adams FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:08:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - CO now. Who knows where next?! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:08:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: just for you pat and nancy,,,, it is suppose to be 95 here Sunday.. Please send rain!!! only 1 1/2 inches this winter,, very dry... FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:06:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: hey jerry,,, long time no talk,, are you in CO or TX or somewhere else now? FROM: Dolores on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:06:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What you found for me jerryT and Suzanne found, that gave me the link that I was looking for on my granfathers father to those that are in the book. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:05:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Greetings Ron. FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:05:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Dolores - I included your new friend in the GenChat message this week - hope she joins us. I need a subject for next week! FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:04:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening from SoCalif.... Thanks for the info on Joe W. Trautner,,, much appreicated FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:03:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now I see Ron Adam's entry for MILDRED: Children of FLORENCE BODEY and OMAR WOOD are: i. UNKNOWN WOOD, b. Abt. 1904. ii. UNKNOWN WOOD, b. Abt. 1905. iii. MERLE JANNITA WOOD, b. 17 December 1905, WA; d. 21 August 1918, Homan Station RR, Glenwood, Clark, WA. iv. HELEN RETA WOOD, b. 22 April 1908, Vancouver, Clark, WA; d. 11 August 1988, Vancouver, Clark, WA; m. (1) WILLIAM MARION SMALLWOOD, Abt. 1926; m. (2) ADAM WILLIAM YAGER, 21 March 1932, Yacolt, Clark, WA; b. 25 October 1895, Olivenhein (?), CA; d. 16 December 1977, Vancouver, Clark, WA; m. (3) LAWRENCE L. TOLINE, 29 October 1946, Brush Prairie, Clark, WA; b. 16 December 1889; d. 21 March 1967, Palm Springs, Riverside, CA. v. MILDRED EDITH WOOD, b. 06 June 1910, Yacolt, Clark, WA; d. 26 March 1990, Community Hospital, Ventura, Ventura, CA; m. (1) JOSEPH W. TRAUTNER, 08 October 1934, Stevenson, Skamania, WA; b. Abt. 1910, Multnomah, OR; m. (2) RALPH EUGENE ADAMS, 07 April 1941, Ventura, Ventura, CA; b. 03 September 1907, Tolo, Jackson, OR; d. 08 October 1994, Bloomington, Monroe, IN. vi. LIVING WOOD, b. 30 July 1913, Vancouver, Clark, WA; m. GLENN ARGYLE ROSENCRANS, 10 June 1934, Yacolt, Clark, WA; b. 05 March 1904, Amity, Yamhill, OR; d. 06 October 1983, Vancouver, Clark, WA. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jacobadams/p36.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:03:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Dolores! Great success story! I love it! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:02:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hooray Dolores!! FROM: Dolores on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 3:00:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well folks I have to say that last weeks work was a smashing success. Nancy found stuff and where to purchase the family book and how to do the ILL to get the library to loan me a copy. JerryT found stuff for me, as did Suzanne Shatto. Others worked at finding stuff for me as well. A huge thank you to all My cousin purchased the book. The ILL is sending me a copy. Now for the icing on the cake. I think Nancy found a posting on Ancestry.com chat board about two scrap books that were my grandfathers and my uncles. I have chatted by email and by phone with this kind lady. Her son purchased them for a dollar each at a swap meet or garage sale. The have news clippings and photos in them. Talk about RAOK, this has to be a classic example. She realized that they should be returned to the families of these men. I am expecting them in the mail any day now. Is that a nice story or what. All because you folks were looking for stuff for me. I am a very happy camper and very grateful to you all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:59:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: Theodore Troutner Age in 1910: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1905 Birthplace: Oregon Relation to Head of House: Boarder Father's Birth Place: Germany Mother's Birth Place: Germany Home in 1910: Gaston, Washington, Oregon Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:55:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My daughter has fiber-optic in Coulee City - they love it. It's really fast. If they can have it in that area, it seems Ridgefield should be able to get it, too. Do you have Comcast Cable out there yet Dolores? FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:53:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Dolores: Some city and rural areas are jumping past DSL and going straight to fiber-optic cable. I know it was recently installed in Aloha, OR, down the street where a friend lives. You might get lucky and get ahead of us all. FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:51:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I suppose all that telephone equipment where you live was the new stuff they put in when that horrific snow/ice storm hit in January 1950 That destroyed the Ridgefield Phone Company and they sold out to MaBell. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:50:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here is some Trautner info from CA Death Index: Last_Name First_Name Middle_Name B_yr B_mo B_dy Mothers_Last_Name Fathers_Last_Name Sex Bp County_of_Death D_yr D_mo D_dy SS_Number Age TRAUTNER THEODORE JOSEPH 1904 05 26 GOLDEN MALE OR SAN DIEGO 1986 05 07 557365129 81 FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:50:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, I mean the 1910 census. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:50:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everyone! Glad to see Steve found some info, and Pat has DSL! Congrats! FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:49:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy - I hit the wrong button and had to come back in but this time it let me come in as myself! FROM: Dolores on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:49:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No fair, I want DSL, but cannot have it here in Ridgefield, our telephone equipment out this way is too antiquated. My son invented DSL, he holds the pattent in his name. The company that he worked for gets the royalties, all he got was a bonus and more company stock. FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:49:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The is an Andrew Trautner (63) in the 1920 censes in Portland, but no young kids in the house. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:48:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Greetings all FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:48:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi everybody! Nice to see others here tonight. Hope all is well with you. FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:41:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The truth be known on the DSL situation ... it was probably both. Be sure to have them "condition" your DSL wiring between the modem and the telco box outside of your home. FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:37:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Steve - sorry about leaving out the info on your Saturday group. I kept trying to think of other things to include and it just blipped out of my head! I felt lucky to be able to send out anything! DSL was finally hooked up correctly today after trying to get it done since Monday. I was NOT a happy camper. Qwest blamed Pacifier and Pacifier blamed Qwest. It was a bunch of problems in the phone line but all is o.k. now. I think I will enjoy this faster way of working on internet! FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:37:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Other Trautner Records at the Oregon State Archives: Name Year Record Type County Source Number TRAUTNER ELIZABETH TERESA 3/8/1895 Portland Births no county City of Portland Trautner, Andrew 1895 Census Multnomah Genealogical Pct 29 pg 066 Trautner, Andrew 5/20/1917 Portland Deaths no county Portland Trautner, August 2/1/1919 Commitment Washington County Vol 3: Pg 40 Trautner, Grace 1895 Census Multnomah Genealogical Pct 29 pg 066 Trautner, Johann 2/5/1889 Intention/Naturalization Washington County V 1 pg 005 Trautner, John 8/19/1912 Portland Deaths no county Portland Trautner, John 1912 Estate Washington County 1821 Trautner, Lena 1895 Census Multnomah Genealogical Pct 29 pg 066 Trautner, Lena 1/18/1905 Portland Deaths no county Portland Trautner, Mary 1895 Census Multnomah Genealogical Pct 29 pg 066 Trautner, Peter Joseph 11/19/1893 World War 1 Washington Defense FROM: Steve on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 2:33:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: From the Oregon State Archives: Case# 0672 Name Trautner, Joseph William Date 9/27/1901 Record Type Evidence County Washington Source Health Case# 672 Name Trautner, Joseph Date 9/27/1901 Record Type Delayed Birth County Washington Source Health FROM: RonA on DATE-Mar 8, 2007 5:06:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thanks Pat for posting and Beth for the leads. FROM: Beth Hancock Cross on DATE-Mar 7, 2007 19:58:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: i found a Joseph L. Trautner, b. 1902 OR, (enum. as Troutner) in 1920 census for Washington Co., OR. he was living with a Peter J. Trautner (as boarders) in hh of Alexander M. Scott. both the Trautners worked for a logging company. their parents were b. Germany. found a Joseph Theodore Trautner (b. 1904) d. 5-7-1986 in San Diego Co., CA. maybe someone can get a copy of obit for you. FROM: Pat on DATE-Mar 3, 2007 14:27:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to make sure this posted correctly. Hope to see YOU Thursday evening. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Mar 3, 2007 14:26:38 GMT-DATE EMAIL: patbauer@pacifier.com MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. We have lots of visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. AMONG TOPICS WE WILL DISCUSS THIS WEEK: (If you have help for this, please post it ahead of time in GenChat.) This query is from CCGS member Ron Adams in Upland, CA: Question: Who is JOSEPH W. TRAUTNER? Here is what I have: My mom, Mildred Edith WOOD married him in Stevenson, Skamania County WA, 8 October 1934, Number 3123, recorded in Book 6, page 196. He was from Multnomah County, OR, Edith from Clark County, WA. Cleo Brown J.P. Witnessed by Clara Paulson & Mrs. Opal Spangler. I know none of the witnesses. Annulment granted for marriage to Trautner on 3 April 1941, Superior Court of Ventura County, CA, Case # 23785, Judge Louis C. Drapeau. My mother was born 6 June 1910 so I am guessing him to be about the same age. Her sister, Dorothy Faye Wood went to high school in Portland and he made entries in her year book so he may have gone to school with Faye. And she introduced him to Edith???? Faye was born in 1913 so high school from 1928-1930??? I have not found him on the census or via Rootsweb, Ancestry, etc. so I have no place of birth, parents or anything else. There is no one alive in the family who knows him either. Or at least will admit it. He was remembered as a drinker and abusive." Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts by clicking below and following the links to the postings. Past transcripts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm