April 2, 2009
Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top!
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:57:31 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Looks like it's about time to call it quits for another week. It's been fun. Hope to see you all again
next week. Stay warm! Goodnight all.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:55:04 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I can remember my step mom's dad wanting me to learn some Swedish words when I was a kid. I
did a bit with the counting but that was all. He was a neat old Swede!
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:47:17 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I didn't realize that Google had a translation "department." They cover about everything now.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:46:37 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I actually think that's easier than grandmother or grandfather because it's obvious which line you
are talking about
FROM: Steve on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:45:57 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
http://translate.google.com
seems to have better language coverage than Babel Fish.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:45:29 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Exactly
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:44:58 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Joy - does that mean the Father's grandfather would be farfarfar?
FROM: Steve on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:44:51 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Anfäder = ancestors
Ättlingar = descendants
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:42:23 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Bror = Brother
Syster = sister
Aunts and uncles are defined by who they are related to:
Mother's brother = Morbror
Father's brother = Farbror
Mother's sister = Morsys
Father's sister = Farsys
Grandparents, and greats the same way
morfar (is mother's father)
Morfarfar is mother's father's father, etc
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:42:04 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I picked up a lot of the language when I was trying to decipher my step mom's family. The words
were written clearly so that helped. I took her back to the early 1800's so she knew a lot more
about her dad's family and a bit more about her mom's family.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:40:05 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I was in Stockholm, Sweden in 1980, traveling with my husband's sister. Everyone was so fluent
in English but we laughed at the "Ya shore, you betcha!" We heard it more than once. Beautiful
country. Wish I could go back but that would be impossible now.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:40:03 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Vigle is also married
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:38:12 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Gnight Margaret! Hope you feel better soon!
FROM: Steve on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:38:12 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Here are the Swedish words to help one get started on family history:
barn = children
död = dead
far = father
född = born
före = before
gift = married
mellan = between
mor = mother
och = and
omkring = about
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:34:51 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Sorry, all. I will go take some more medicine and go lie down. See you next week.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:34:49 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Here's one which is a free download - this might work:
http://www.babylon.com/
FROM: Steve on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:34:05 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I have most of the basic Swedish genealogy words figured out, but would be interested in
translating occasional additional words as I come across them.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:33:53 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
If it's lengthy, I usually ask one of the Swedes on the Sweden list at Rootsweb to translate
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:33:29 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
It's for a friend. Just wondering.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:32:34 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat,
What are you needing to transcribe? I found the Swedish
networks in Minnesota and in Sweden
very helpful, as the researchers recognized
mis-spellings and other clues.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:32:24 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Either one?
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:32:09 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
http://lexin2.nada.kth.se/swe-eng.html
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:31:23 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
A lot of Swedish or a word at a time?
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:30:35 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Does anyone know of a website that will convert Swedish to English? Babel Fish won't do it.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:19:56 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
The first wife died. I'm not sure about the second
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:11:03 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I saw that Joy. Maybe he was trying to get a younger woman each time!
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:10:38 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Margaret - I was telling the group earlier that CCGS will be doing the "GenChat Demo" at our
May meeting on Tuesday, May 26. I hope you folks will drop in for a visit. We'll be here at our
usual time.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:09:22 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
It was his third Marriage
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:09:07 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Montgomery County, IN must have been a popular place for weddings. That's where my gg
grandparents, Stephen Ross & Nancy Jane House were married in 1839.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 3:06:14 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I was just looking at the marriage of Hattie Shelton and Frank Marr. He was 45 - she was 17!
What an age difference.
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:58:58 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Ah, well, these KISSINGERs were born in Indiana. They are brothers of my direct line ancestor,
Catherine KISSINGER.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:54:45 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Margaret - It will be interesting when I can input this new info into my Legacy Family Tree -
maybe you'll end up being related to the mother of our much married Jess Shelton.
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:44:15 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
John B. SKAGGS b 8 Mar 1803 in Virginia, d. 1891 in Jarbolo, Douglas, Kansas. Married 15
Jun 1824 in Nicholas Co., VA to Frances E. LILLY. Married a 2nd time 15 Dec 1868 to
America HUTCHINSON. Daughters by wife #1. Dau. Sarah "Salllie" SKAGGS b. abt 1825 m.
11 May 1852 Boston KISSINGER in Platte Co., MO. Dau. Cinderella "Bell" SKAGGS m.
Boston's brother John KISSINGER.
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:38:37 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I have some SKAGGS from Kentucky who married into my KIRKs.
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:36:58 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I was scrolling down the messages to see who all from SIGS was here.
FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:36:40 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I must go clean up. MissMarge is cracking the whip.
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:36:27 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I haven't checked the email since this morning. I will be happy to do gen classes there.
FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:35:32 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Margaret, did you get the email regarding the Mukilteo classes?
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:33:47 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Not too well. Been sleeping all day.
FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:33:05 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hello Margaret. How are you feeling?
FROM: Margaret-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:32:23 GMT-DATE
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Agh, I just missed Marge. Hi, you all.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:32:21 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Gnight Marge!
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:31:17 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Time for me to do my Humble House-cleaning chores. See ya next week! Take care. Bye
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:30:20 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I should be able to put together a bunch of stuff for my nieces and their families. They know very
little about their biological grandfather and his family.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:28:51 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
John is a great speaker. I know there's no way I can get away then but anyone going will have a
great time and learn a lot from him.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:27:55 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat Joy really founds lots of info for you.
FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:27:39 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Is anyone coming to the Seaattle Gen Spring Seminar in May featuring John Philip Colletta?
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:27:15 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hi Carol - what can we do to help you?
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:26:20 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I'm so glad I use MailWasher (knock on wood!) It's kept me from getting invaded by a lot of virus
bugs.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:23:50 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I thought the same thing Jerry. Maybe I should send him an e-mail.
FROM: Carol-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:23:06 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hello everyone
FROM: jerryt on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:22:38 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Sounds like Richard has the conflicker.c virus. Not being able to download updates is one of the
symptoms.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:22:02 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
We're hoping to head for Coulee City a week from next Monday and hope the snow is gone by
then. We hate to cancel our trip but might have to delay it for a while if there's still snow.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:21:07 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Supposed to have another storm tomorrow night and into Saturday. Probably the one leaving
eastern WA
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:20:26 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hello Carol
FROM: jerryt on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:20:18 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat - we had some snow last night. It was in the 50s this afternoon, though, so it is all gone.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:19:12 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Greetings everyone
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:17:56 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Good evening Jerry. With all the snow in eastern Washington, does that mean you have it, too?
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:17:02 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hi Jerry!
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:16:56 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hi Jerry
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:09:18 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat - We have Pileated Woodpeckers at home, but this one Flicker literally FILLED Humble
House with noise
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:08:40 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
From what I heard Joy, he was about the age of my younger half brother on my Dad's side. (no
relation to the older two!) Lee was born in 1946. Just a guess about James though.
FROM: Richard Pender on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:08:33 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Right now I'm waiting for a responce from Norton Virus people. I'm not able to download
updates. So I need to sigh off and wait for them to answer me. See you later. Richard
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:07:39 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Your story is really funny Marge. They can be so noisy. We have one here at Whipple Creek and
he does a lot of rattling around up in the trees.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:07:30 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
So would he have been born in the 40's?
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:06:09 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Joy - I thought James was born in WA state - maybe around Centralia - Chehalis area but I have
no proof. Nothing much that I was ever told was proven to be the truth!
FROM: Richard Pender on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:04:53 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
hello to all. I'm sorry that I did not respond to last weeks chat time. I had unexpected company
and was not able to get on line. I wish to thank those who so graciously searched for my road
blocks. I found a great deal of information that is of great help. I'm now able to piece together
some of names and history that was told to me, when I was a young boy. I will most likely need
some more help later. But I must take care of what you have given me so far. Thanks again.
Richard
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:01:02 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
It's Spring Marge... he's building his nest. LOL
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 2:00:34 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat, any idea where the boy James (Shelton) Grant was born? and about when?
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:59:53 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Sounded like a machine gun
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:58:21 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Went outside and realized it was a Woodpecker!
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:57:45 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Wasn't any appliance or such going wiggy
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:57:21 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Couldn't figure out the source
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:57:03 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
LOUD
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:56:49 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
A LOUD staccato noise filled Humble House 'bout an hour ago
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:56:30 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
You're welcome
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:56:11 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
A funny story to share...
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:53:27 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hi Joy! What a busy lady you've been. Great job. Thanks so much for finding all this information.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:51:14 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Our daughter's hubby stayed with us Tuesday night. He left yesterday about noon or so for home
and said it rained hard all the way to Hermiston. From there to Coulee City, it was snowing - and
hard at times. I think the calendar is wrong. This is actually February, isn't it?
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:50:50 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat,
I even heard about snow around
The Dalles, up the mountain, anyway.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:50:08 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Lots of good info already!
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:49:41 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hello Nancy. I've been wondering how Charles is doing in Spokane, besides being really busy
with his taxes. They have snow again! It almost sounded like an April Fool's joke yesterday and
they got more today!
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:48:46 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hi folks!
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:47:09 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
So Jess married Marie Winans in 1929 when she was only 17. Katy's letter in those papers was
really interesting. It finally tells the story of the marriage break-up.
FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:46:20 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat, I'm sure several SIGS folk could be there
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:44:46 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Hi Marge!
We're going to do a GenChat at OUR meeting in May. I hope some of your folks can join us then.
It will be Tuesday evening, May 26. Our meeting begins at 7pm and I think there might be an
election, then the program which will be US! We'll begin at our usual time and they can join us
when the election is finished.
FROM: PatB on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:43:12 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Good evening Steve. I've been looking over the things Joy has found - amazing! She sent me the
records from WA state for Jess and his prison sentence - complete with a picture of him at about
25. I can certainly tell where my half brother Ken gets his good looks!
FROM: Steve on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 1:42:25 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Looks like Joy has been busy.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 23:30:22 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Note that there is another William Skaggs in Montgomery Co IN of similar age (b. about 1830) -
he is married to a Sarah, but it is not Sarah Skaggs Shelton's family.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 23:29:19 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Citation: The Indiana GenWeb Project, Copyright ©1997-2007, Montgomery County Website
http://ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/
Montgomery County, Indiana USGenWeb Project
William C. Skaggs
Montgomery County, Indiana
Montgomery Co., Indiana Atlas (Chicago: Beers, 1878) p 54
SKAGGS, WIlliam C, PO Crawfordsville; Gardener, native of Petersburg, Va; settled in this co
1849.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 23:28:54 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
I looked for a connection between the Minister Abraham (or Abram) D Skaggs on the marriage
record of Jess Shelton and Marie Winans, and also Witness Mrs. Elmina F. Skaggs to see if there
was a connection to Jess's mother who was also a Skaggs. I did not find a connection
Elmina F Skaggs was the wife of minister Abraham D. Skaggs. He was born in Kentucky. I
followed census records back to 1850 (he was in Kentucky until the 1900 census and then was in
Portland). Sarah Skaggs Shelton's parents were William C Skaggs b. 1827ish in Virginia and
Cynthia Ann b. about 1828 in Indiana. The two families never seem to cross paths.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 23:23:59 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Based on information in Jess Shelton's record from the Morton Reformatory, he was extradited
from Arkansas, Kansas. Using that and the information from his marriage record to Marie
Winans, that she was from Cowley County, Kansas - I found:
1930 Census
Arkansas, Cowley, Kansas
22 April 1930
608 Cedar Ave
Winans, Grant I, head, m, w, 65, m, 25, Indiana, Ohio, Indiana, Minister, Free Methodist
Nellie M, wife, f, w, 54, m, 18, Kansas, Michigan, New York
Shelton, Maurie S, daughter, f, w, m, 18, Kansas, Indiana, Kansas
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Arkansas, Cowley, Kansas; Roll: 697; Page: 26A;
Enumeration District: 7; Image: 1022.0.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 16:46:31 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
No clue at all why Jess ended up in Washington by 1921... when he was just 16.
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 16:45:35 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Death Records
Reported Deaths, M
Name Sex Age Death Location Book/Page Notes
MARR Addie F 39 March 4, 1903 Crawfordsville CH-39 15
Also See H-33 pg 69
MARR Frank M December 29, 1928 Crawfordsville CH 42 66
MARR Harold David M January 26, 1931 Crawfordsville CH 42 102
MARR Hattie F 52 January 21, 1918 Crawfordsville CH-41 15
Last name First name Birth Death Death age Other CDPL Upd DAR
Cemetery (Township)
Marr Addie June 07, 1861 March 04, 1903 9-84 7-84
Oak Hill Cemetery (Union)
Marr Hattie March 17, 1889 January 21, 1918 7-52 9-92
Calvary Cemetery (Union)
http://history.cdpl.lib.in.us/marriage/mr09-176.pdf
Frank Edward Marr (Hattie's Son) Marriage record
Grooms Name: Marr, Frank Edward
age: 20
white
laborer
Birthplace: Crawfordsville, Ind
Residence: Crawfordsville, Ind
Single
Name of Father: Frank Marr
Name of Mother: Hattie Shelton
Place of Marriage: Lodoza Ind
Magistrate: Will H Long
Bride's Name: McCloud, Eliza
Age: 22
white
Birthplace: Carpentersville, Ind
Residence: Roachdale, Ind
single
Name of Father: H. E. McCloud
Maiden name of mother: Cordelia M. Mullen
Date of Marriage; July 31, 1926
Witness: Laura S Long
Ladoza Ind
Recorded Sept 1, 1926
Last name Name Event Publication Date Pg: col Notes
Marr Arthur W marriage Crawfordsville Journal Review 3-Aug-1931 5: 1
Cook, Katherine
Marr David John obituary Crawfordsville Journal Review 18-Apr-1961 6: 2
Blanche Auter
Marr Donald J obituary Crawfordsville Journal Review 2-Jul-1984 2
Marr Eliza Loretta obituary Crawfordsville Journal Review 29-Jul-1939 6: 4
(McCloud); Frank Marr
Marr Frank marriage Crawfordsville Weekly Journal 28-Dec-1906 4: 7
Shelton, Katie
Marr Frank obituary Crawfordsville Daily Journal 29-Dec-1928 1: 7
Marr Frank general Crawfordsville Journal Review 1-Mar-1930 4: 4 Notice
to heirs
Marr Harold obituary Crawfordsville Journal Review 27-Jan-1931 1: 2
M/M Frank Marr
Marr Harold David birth Crawfordsville Journal Review 27-Sep-1930 1: 1 M/M
Frank Marr
Marr Hattie obituary Crawfordsville Weekly Journal 25-Jan-1918 7: 7
arr Mrs Frank obituary Crawfordsville Daily Journal 5-Mar-1903 7: 3 Marr,
Frank
Marr Mrs Frank obituary Crawfordsville Weekly Journal 6-Mar-1903 5: 5
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 2, 2009 16:45:32 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Here's what happened to Frank's sister, Hattie (from the 1900 census)
Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Hattie Shelton
Name: Hattie Shelton
Spouse Name: Frank Marr
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1906
Marriage County: Montgomery
Birth Date: 17 Mar
Age: 17
Source Title 1: Montgomery County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1860-1920 Inclusive Volum
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located County Clerk's Of
Book: 16
OS Page: 523
Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Frank Marr
Name: Frank Marr
Spouse Name: Hattie Shelton
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1906
Marriage County: Montgomery
Birth Date: 2 Jan
Age: 45
Source Title 1: Montgomery County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1860-1920 Inclusive Volum
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk's O
Book: 16
OS Page: 523
Looks like Frank may have been married a couple other times:
Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Frank Marr
Name: Frank Marr
Spouse Name: Lillie Harper
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1904
Marriage County: Montgomery
Source Title 1: Montgomery County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1860-1920 Inclusive Volum
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk's O
Book: 15
OS Page: 387
Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Frank Marr
Name: Frank Marr
Spouse Name: Addie Long
Marriage Date: 26 Jan 1893
Marriage County: Montgomery
Source Title 1: Montgomery County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1860-1920 Inclusive Volum
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk's O
Book: 12
OS Page: 448
1900 Census
Union Township, Montgomery, Indiana
Crawfordsville City
5 June 1900
314 Layfayette Ave
Marr, Frank, head, w, m, Mar 1862, 38, m, 7, Italy, Italy, Italy, 1875, 25, na, Carriage Trimer?
Ada, wife, w, f, June 1873, 36, m, 7, 0/0, Iowa, Ohio, Indiana
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Union, Montgomery, Indiana; Roll: T623_394 Page:
5A; Enumeration District: 113.
1910 Census
Crawfordsville, Montgomery, Indiana
20 April 1910
314 Lafayette Pike
Marr, Frank, head, m, w, 48, M3, 3, Ire-Irish, Ire-Irish, Ire-Irish, Immigration not known,
Carriage Trimmer, Carriage shop
Hattie, wife, f, w, 21, m1, 3, 1/1, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Frank E, son, m, w, 3, s, Indiana, Ire-Irish, Indiana
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Crawfordsville Ward 1, Montgomery, Indiana; Roll:
T624_372; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 169; Image: 119.
[Indexed as Manx on Ancestry.com]
1920 Census
Union Township, Montgomery, Indiana
Crawfordsville City
23 Jan 1920
315
Marr, Frank, head, m, w, 59, wd, 1878, na, 1920, Italy, Italy, Italy, Carriage Trimmer, shop
Frank Edward, son, m, w, 13, s, Indiana, Italy, Indiana
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Crawfordville Ward 1, Montgomery, Indiana; Roll:
T625_457; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 176; Image: 307.
MONTGOMERY County,INDIANA IMMIGRANT INFORMATION
Italian Immigrants to Montgomery County, Indiana
MARR, Frank. B. 1861 Italy. Here in 1870
Naturalized 4-10-1882.
d. Dinwiddie Sanitorium 614 E. Jefferson.
Listed as a janitor and b. in Italy. Father and Mother unknown.
Died of Influenza buried Calvary Cemetery
1880 C' ville Census #54 - Frank Marr age 19 Gardener b. ItalyParents both b. Italy.
314 Lafayette Avenue in 1900 Census.
Frank b. March 1862.
Here 1875 Naturalized.
B Italy parents b. Italy Ada b January 1873 0 children 0 living.
B Iowa Father b. Ohio Mother b. Indiana. married 7 years. Listed asa Carriage Trimmer.
An Adie Marr 6-7-1861 d. 3-4-1903 is buried in Oak Hill Cemetery,Crawfordsville, IN.
http://www.ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/
FROM: Joy on DATE-Apr 1, 2009 22:55:23 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Don't know if this is helpful at all, but using Jess's death record on the California Death index, you
find:
California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Jess F Shelton
Name: Jess F Shelton
Social Security #: 554092770
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1904
Birthplace: Indiana
Death Date: 4 Apr 1964
Death Place: Sacramento
Mother's Maiden Name: Skaggs
So his mother's maiden name is Skaggs, and his father is Shelton. He was born in Indiana. I did a
search on Ancestry.com and found:
Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Sarah A Skaggs
Name: Sarah A Skaggs
Spouse Name: James Shelton
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1884
Marriage County: Montgomery
Source Title 1: Montgomery County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1860-1920 Inclusive Volum
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located County Clerk's Of
Book: 10
OS Page: 479
1920
Crawfordville, Montgomery, Indiana
23 Jan 1920
308 West Street
Shelton, James, head, m, w, 59, m, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, laborer, day
Sarah, wife, f, w, 54, m, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Donald, son, m, w, 18, s, Indiana, Kentucky, Indiana, sets headings, Newspaper office
Jessie, son, m, w, 15, s, Indiana, Kentucky, Indiana
Dena, daughter, f, w, 13, Indiana, Kentucky, Indiana
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Crawfordville Ward 1, Montgomery, Indiana; Roll:
T625_457; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 176; Image: 305.
1930
Crawfordville, Montgomery, Indiana
10 April 1930
410 North Gireby?
Custel, Ray K, head, m, w, 27, m, 22, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana, Collector Wholesale Mds
Dena O, wife, f, w, 23, m, 18, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Violet, Daughter, f, w, 3 7/12, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Eveline, daughter, f, w, 1 7/12, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Shelton, Sarah, Mother, f, w, 64, wd, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Crawfordsville, Montgomery, Indiana; Roll: 620;
Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 18; Image: 252.0.
Reported Deaths, Montgomery County, Indiana
Name Sex Age Date of Death Location Book/Page Notes
SHELTON James M 68 March 3, 1929 Crawfordsville CH 42 69
http://www.ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/
Last name First name Birth Death Death age Other CDPL Upd DAR
Cemetery (Township)
Shelton James B 1860 1929 8-142 6-142 Crawfordsville
Masonic Cemetery (Union)
Shelton Sarah A 1864 1957 8-142 6-142 Crawfordsville
Masonic Cemetery (Union)
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Decedent last name: Shelton
First name: Sarah Ann
Type: Burial Permit
Number: 385
Date of Death: 22-Feb-1957
Age:92
Cause of death: Arteriosclerotic heart disease
Place of death: Hillsboro, Ind.
Undertaker: Bright Funeral Home
Address: Crawfordsville
Date of certificate: 25-Feb-1957
Page number: 525
Yearbooks
Shelton Donald Crawfordsville High School 1918 40
Shelton Donald Crawfordsville High School 1919 39
Shelton Donald Crawfordsville High School 1920 55, 95
Nothing listed for Jess or Dena
1930
Hammond, Lake, Indiana
12 April 1930
1334 Warwick Ave
Shelton, Don F, head, m, w, 29, m, 22, Indiana, Kentucky, Indiana, Printer, Newspaper
Pearl, wife, f, w, 29, m, 22, Illinois, Indiana, Indiana
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Hammond, Lake, Indiana; Roll: 602; Page: 3B;
Enumeration District: 139; Image: 394.0.
1900
Union Township, Montgomery, Indiana
9 June 1900
Shelton, James B, head, w, m, June 1860, 39, m, 15, Kentucky, Kentucky, Kentucky, Farm
Laborer
Sarah A, wife, w, f, June 1864, 35, m, 15, 4/1, Indiana, Indiana, Indiana
Hattie E, daughter, w, f, Mar. 1889, 11, s, Indiana, Kentucky, Indiana, At School
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Union, Montgomery, Indiana; Roll: T623_394 Page:
5A; Enumeration District: 109.
I can't find Jess & Family in 1910
FROM: Joy on DATE-Mar 31, 2009 21:52:38 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Pat, The marriage to Katy Mathys was at least a SECOND marriage for Jess Shelton. If you go to
the Washington Digital Archives you will find an undated (undated in the index) marriage record
for Jesse F Shelton and Violet L Johnson. Their marriage date on the certificate for the marriage
is 9 July 1921. The license date is blank on the certificate of marriage. I am sure this is the same
Jesse because I printed off all 3 marriages (to Violet, to Katy and to Marie) and Jess or Jesse's
signature is the same handwriting.
Violet L (Johnson) Shelton marries again in 1923 to Christ Berg on 3 November 1923. (Again,
comparing her signatures, it is the same handwriting). They appear on the 1930 Census as
follows:
1930
Vancouver, Clark, Washington
515 Franklin
Berg, Christ, head, m, w, 32, m, 26, Norway, Norway, Norway, 1905, pa, Lumber Piler, saw mill
Violet, wife, f, w, 21, m, 16, No.Dakota, Michigan, Iowa
James, son, m, w, 5, s, Washington, No. Dakota, Norway
Page, George (Lodger), Seller, Paper mill
Childs, Orville (Lodger), Laborer, Paper mill
Page, William (Lodger), Sawyer, Paper mill
Owen, James(?) (Roomer), Janitor, store
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Vancouver, Clark, Washington; Roll: 2485; Page: 6B;
Enumeration District: 44; Image: 824.0.
[so it would appear there was no child from the first marriage to Jess Shelton]
The marriage certificate to Christ Berg lists Magnolia Johnson as a witness, so with a name that
unusual, Violet's family is also in Clark County on the 1920 Census:
1920
Vancouver, Clark, Washington
903 13th St
12/12 Johnson, P C, head, m, w, 42, m, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Farmer
Jennie May, wife, f, w, 40, m, Iowa, Iowa, Michigan
Magnolia, daughter, f, w, 16, s, North Dakota, Michigan, Iowa
Captolia, daughter, f, w, 14, s, Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa
Violet, daughter, f, w, 12, s, North Dakota, Michigan, Iowa
Perry, son, m, w, 10, s, North Dakota, Michigan, Iowa
Marvel, daughter, f, w, 8, s, Canada, Michigan, Iowa
Margrate, daughter, f, w, 5, s, Canada, Michigan, Iowa
Jane Rose, daughter, f, w, 1 7/12, s, Canada, Michigan, Iowa
Stadig, Otto, Head, m, w, 32, Minnesota, Sweden, Sweden, Barfor? Shipyard
Stadig, Ruth, wife, f, w, 22, m, Michigan, Iowa, Iowa
Stadig, May, daughter, f, w, 4, s, Montana, Minnesota, Michigan
Stadig, Lucil, daughter, f, w, 1 1/12, s, Montana, Minnesota, Michigan
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Vancouver, Clark, Washington; Roll: T625_1922;
Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 37; Image: 365.
[If this age holds true for Violet, she would have been at most 14 years old when she married Jess
F Shelton. The witnesses on their marriage record are Franklin DeSavage and Nellie Vaughan]
1916 Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta (CANADA)
Weyburn, Saskatchewan
District 31
Enumeration District 3, Township 1, Range 18 m2
Lake Elvira (or Elma) Municipality
Page 8
Johnson, Pery C, head, m, m, 39, Mich USA, Methodist, Immigration: 1909, Naturalization:
1911, Canadian Citizen, Origin: American, English, Farmer
May, wife, f, m, 36, Iowa USA, Methodist, 1909
Magnolia P, daughter, f, s, 13, North Dak. USA, Methodist, 1909
Capitolia J, daughter, f, s, 11, Minn. USA, Methodist, 1909
Violet, daughter, f, s, 9, North Dak. USA, Methodist, 1909
William Perry, son, m, s, 7, North Dak. USA, Methodist, 1909
Marval, daughter, f, s, 4, Sask. Canada, Methodist
Margret, daughter, f, s, 1, Sask. Canada, Methodist
Source Citation: Year: 1916; Census Place: Saskatchewan, Weyburn, 03: Roll: T-21946; Page: 8;
Family No: 93
1911 Census of Canada
Sub District 53, Part of Radville Town and Radville Village
Regina, Saskatchewan
Township 1, range 18, w M2
Johnson, Perry C, m, head, m, May 1877, 34, USA, 1910, American, Farming
May, f, wife, m, Dec 1879, 31, USA, 1910
Ruth, f, daughter, s, Sept 1897, 13, USA, 1910
Magnolia, f, daughter, s, April 1903, 8, USA, 1910
Captolia, f, daughter, s, Aug 1904, 6, USA, 1910
Violet, f, daughter, s, Feb 1907, 4, USA, 1910
Perry, m, son, s, Jan 1909, 2, USA, 1910
Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1911 Census of Canada [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. Original data: Library and Archives Canada. Census of
Canada, 1911. Ottawa, Canada: Library and Archives Canada. Microfilm reels T-20326 to
T-20460.
[if this date is accurate for Violet, Feb 1907 - at the marriage date of 9 July 1921, she would have
been almost 14 1/2. It would be interesting to get the marriage application from the county.]
1900 Census
La Mars, Richland, North Dakota
Johnson, Perry, head, w, m, May 1877, 23, s, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Farmer
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: La Mars, Richland, North Dakota; Roll: T623_1231
Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 143.
[Perry is listed as single, so likely the daughter Ruth born Sept 1897 is Jennie May's from a prior
marriage]
FROM: PatB on DATE-Mar 27, 2009 13:11:07 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
My query makes the family sound like the old song, "I'm my own grandpa!" Jess became the
grandfather to his own son because of the marriage to Elsie. Busy guy - no wonder he died at 59!
FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Mar 27, 2009 13:07:48 GMT-DATE
MESSAGE:
Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be
staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about
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We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You
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open for discussions.
BRICKWALL PROJECT:
We don't have any special project this time so Pat Bauer will give you one of her puzzlement
things.
"Jess Franklin SHELTON was the first husband to my mother, Katy Beatrice MATHYS. I knew
they were divorced about 1929 and have discovered an unknown second marriage in Clark
County for Jess SHELTON to Marie WINANS May 18, 1929. That second marriage didn't last
too long because on April 1, 1939 Marie E. SHELTON married Jacob H. RITTHALER in Clark
County, WA. There were two more wives and one child. Jess SHELTON married Agnes (last
name unknown) and they had a son named James. Agnes married again to a man named GRANT
and the boy was adopted and is named James GRANT. (They might have lived in the
Chehalis-Centralia area of WA state.) Then Jess SHELTON married again. This time to the
mother of third wife Agnes. Her first name was Elsie but I can't find a surname for her either.
After Jess SHELTON died in Stockton, California April 4, 1964 at age 59, Elsie lived in
Tillamook, Oregon for a while, then moved back to California. She died probably in the 1980's. (I
know Jess Shelton was in a Washington prison in 1930 when he was listed in the census as
"inmate.")
I'm hoping to find information on both Agnes and Elsie - anything will help! Jess was no relation
to me but he was the father of my two older half-brothers."
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