May 21, 2009
Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top!
From: jerryt on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:59:38 PM
From: Steve on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:58:56 PM
Carolyn: Check the 1920 Census (Series: T625 Roll: 535 Page: 120) for the
"step-daughter" Claudia Fleming listed there.
From: Joy on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:57:19 PM
From: Joy on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:57:03 PM
From: Carolyn Ellertson on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:57:00 PM
Well, thank you all so very, VERY much! You can tell how old the posts are, and never
have ever had a single response.. night to all, thanks much, see you next week!
From: Joy on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:56:53 PM
I was on the phone with my mom's cousin for 2 1/2 hours working on our family website
From: Nancy Elder Petersen on Thu, 05-21-2009 at 8:56:25 PM
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:56:14 GMT-DATE
I've been checking with Google and found a bunch of thing also posted by Carolyn.
You've been a really busy lady! This will be a good one for folks to work on and post
results next Tuesday.
Looks like it's about time for me to sign out and grab the transcript and get it posted.
Thanks for the mystery Carolyn - it sounds like a fun on.
I'm going to say goodnight all - see you next week.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:55:48 GMT-DATE
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:55:38 GMT-DATE
We have Carolyn's interesting
story and clues....
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:55:09 GMT-DATE
Night Joy. Maybe talk next week..
FROM: Joy on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:54:30 GMT-DATE
I came in time to say good night. LOL
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:52:33 GMT-DATE
As you can see, I have worked long and hard on this one in many places...You guys
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:52:10 GMT-DATE
Esther Crane Olathe KS m/ Claude Moore Fleming
Carolyn Ellertson (View posts) Posted: 24 Feb 2004 8:48PM
Surnames: Crane, Fleming, Bacchus, Vest
Looking for descendants of Esther Crane (last known married name was Story/Storey)
who was married to Claude Fleming.
They had a daughter Claudie Mae who was born about May 1, 1907. This Claudie Mae
was married (1) to Charles Baccus; later years to Harold Vest. I found documentation
regarding the marriage license for her marriage to Harold Vest through sources in
Kansas City, MO. Claude Fleming was my grandfather, and the mother of my own
mother, also named Claudia. The two Claudias were half sisters, who met secretly as
teenagers. I would love to connect with Claudie Mae's descendants. I think we have
lots to share..
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:51:31 GMT-DATE
Oh, I have presented this in such a confusing way. Claudia #2 is the one who married
Harold Vest. The mother of Claudia #2, who would have been my grandfather's first
wife, MIGHT have been Esther Crane.
Steve: Yes. My grandfather Claude Moore Fleming was born in 1879 (Thorpe Springs,
Texas) and died in 1947 in Myrtle Creek, Douglas County, Oregon.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:50:35 GMT-DATE
And another one:
Cozart, Fleming, Hamblin, Moore
Posted by: Carolyn Ellertson (ID *****3975) Date: May 11, 2004 at 10:52:43
My great grandmother, Emma Mary Fleming nee Hamblin (died Texas ca
1885)evidently had (at least)two sisters. According to hand written notes of my
deceased mother, one was married to a Cozart of Cabin Creek, AR; the other to a man
named Moore with whom she had a son named Harley Moore (also of Cabin
Creek).There were evidently other relatives in Russellville and Clarksville, Arkansas.
My grandfather was Claude Moore Fleming. I am searching for the descendants of him
and his first wife. I found their daughter Claudia Fleming Vest in an old Kansas City,
MO city directory, but no further clues. This Claudia Fleming would have been the half
sister to my own mother Claudia Fleming. I would love to share information with the
descendants of this other Claudia, as she and my mother had an unusual friendship.
Any leads will be appreciated.
I have seen Annie Cozart listed as one of my grandfather's wives, but my mother's
notes are either incorrect, or the listing is. Please help. These Flemings are my brick
wall with the exception of Claude's father in Missouri.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:49:20 GMT-DATE
I see another query from Carolyn
William Henry Fleming and Ladora Combs
Posted by: Carolyn Ellertson (ID *****3975) Date: October 22, 2008 at 20:58:58
William Henry Fleming was born in Ray County, MO in 1845 and died in
Collinsville/Tulsa area of Oklahoma in 1924. He was taken back to Missouri to be
buried at the Neosho IOOF Cemetery. Ladora Combs was his second wife, he having
been widowed by his first wife Mary Emma Hamlin's death (supposedly near
Sweetwater, Texas, circa 1885)as a young mother, leaving him with two small boys.
William's parents and previous ancestors are my brick wall. Cannot find anything about
them. It's like they dropped out of sight. William's father's name could have been
Thomas or Samuel/Semuel.Sons of William and Mary Hamlin were my grandfather,
Claude Moore Fleming 1879-1943 and John Vincent (Stephen Vincent?) Fleming. The
latter son was joint owner of the Riverside Farm Inn near Noel, McDonald County,
Missouri about 1910. William had a stroke about 1917,which virtually incapacitated
him, and the resort was sold. His second wife Ladora also died in Oklahoma (their
daughter's home. Carol Flemming Poole. Used the double "m" in her spelling). She two
was taken back to Missouri to be buried, although I did not find her tombstone when I
visited the cemetery. I'll appreciate hearing from other possible researchers, as this line
has been a tough one.
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:49:13 GMT-DATE
Any idea when Claude was born?
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:46:11 GMT-DATE
Mother of the other Claudia might have been Esther Crane or Crain.
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:45:21 GMT-DATE
I'm not sure, but inclined to think so. No reason with any logic to think that other than
that city directory thing. My mother, however, did not..
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:42:53 GMT-DATE
Did the half sister reside in KC her entire life?
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:42:48 GMT-DATE
Nancy: It would be so great to have it for the family history, but mostly I keep hoping
deep inside that there are descendants that do not know of our existance, and might
like to know the story of their mother's have sister - also named Claudia..
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:40:47 GMT-DATE
I agree! Great story. Hope we
can find a clue.
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:40:42 GMT-DATE
Just to clarify. My mother was very small when she played with the tea set, but never
acted on her impulses and curiosity until much later when she was older as
continued.Not one would ever tell her anything, so she decided to find out for herself...
It's all true. I still have the letters from her that were her response to their father's death,
and they are poignant..
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:39:50 GMT-DATE
Wow - you could write a book on that one. Or at least a very interesting short story and
submit it to a magazine.
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:36:53 GMT-DATE
Are you sure? To be certain, it may take them a while, because I've tried and given up
a dozen times. My mother's maiden name was Claudia May Fleming. Parents were
Claude Moore Fleming and Frances Kyle. She was born in Kansas City, Missouri on
May 11, 1911 and died August 23, 1993. Unbeknownst to her, she had a half sister
from her father's previous marriage that was also named Claudia. The way she found
out about her was as follows: One day my mother's mother left her with her father while
she was gone for several hours. She began to wail her head off at being left behind,
which was driving her father nuts(not used to baby sitting..). He promised her if she
would stop crying he would give her a surprise. He took her upstairs, and out of a trunk
he took a little tea set, which he allowed her to play with most of the afternoon. When
he heard my grandmother coming home he quickly took them away and put them back
in the trunk, and told her that grandma might be mad if she knew, so maybe she
shouldn't say anything. So she never said anything, but later went to the trunk in secret.
She found some mail with an address on it and the name of Claudia on it. She couldn't
figure it out until she read it (she was about 13 years old, and couldn't resist..). She
then wrote to the girl in the letters (who had been writing to their father, mostly in
vain..), and had them sent to the P.O. general delivery for the return address. They
then exchanged secret letters for probably a year or two, at which time they agreed to
meet in Kansas City at the sister's house. My mother told me that when the other
Claudia opened the door it was like looking in the mirror. They met several times after
that. I can't remember her mother's name (my grandfather's first wife..). Might have
been surname of Crane. She married a man named Harold Vest. They are listed in that
Kansas City directory. Will get the details for you. Need to dig them out, but the
address he found agreed with the one on the letters exchanged between the two in
1947 when my grandfather died. Trust me, she is not a fantasy, but might have either
no issue or maybe a daughter. If she and her husband Harold had children, we would
be related, and I don't know if they ever knew about us, as we would be related. I had
hoped to find her before my mother passed away years ago, but we were unsuccessful.
There was a man with the surname of Vest who committed suicide in that area, but I
don't think it was him. So we are looking for Claudia Vest nee Fleming/Flemming, and
any possible descendants. Even if there are none, I would like to know when and where
they died.. I would be grateful. Thanks so much for any light you can throw on the
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:22:27 GMT-DATE
Carolyn - remember the old saying, "A doctor can bury his mistakes." I guess it's really
true sometimes. She was very fortunate.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:20:45 GMT-DATE
Carolyn, maybe you should go ahead and post the info here now - to keep these folks
busy! They can always finish up next week if necessary.
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:20:20 GMT-DATE
I would love to. My biggest problem is that I get to concentrating on my animal chores
and get distracted till it's too late. I'll put a big reminder sticky note on my monitor.
Pat: She got the hip replaced (she'd already had the other one done, and kept telling
them it felt the same way as the other one, and they doctored her for everything but
that!). It started feeling better almost as soon as it was operated on, although she was
scared to death. Doing much better now; walking on it without crutches, and leading a
near normal life. It hurts if she overdoes it, but compared to how she was, I'd say 100%
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:17:45 GMT-DATE
How is your sister now Carolyn?
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:16:32 GMT-DATE
Carolyn - are you going to be able to join us in GenChat next Tuesday evening? We
want to entertain the folks at the CCGS General Meeting. Should be fun and we'd like
to have a big crowd both at the general meeting and here in GenChat.
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:16:17 GMT-DATE
Pat: Remember when I wanted my sister to go to your accupuncturist, and the terrible
pain she was in for almost two years? Well, it turned out she was walking around with a
fractured hip, and needed it replaced. It was unbelievable the incompetence by the
JErry: It is something I want to do in my lifetime, or it will never happen, because no
one else remembers the details. I was lucky enough to find her last residence, based
on a letter to my mother when their father died in 1947, and confirmed by a city
directory in Kansas City by the archivist there, but the trail goes cold after that.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:11:55 GMT-DATE
That sounds intriguing Carolyn.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:11:39 GMT-DATE
I went to my favorite acupuncturist today to see if he could help get rid of the pain in my
left heel. It was still hurting when I left his office and he said it would take 3 or 4 days to
get full effect of the "needles." It's better tonight so I guess I'm on the road to recovery.
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:09:44 GMT-DATE
Oh, that'll be great. It's a good one. Almost sounds like a soap opera mystery, but it's
all true.. I'll send you as much as I know. I am trying to locate the descendants of my
deceased mother's half sister. The catch is.. she has the same name as my mother..
There's a great story to it.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:09:33 GMT-DATE
We need three or four good busy ones to use next week. The one I have so far will be
done quickly because I'm sure it's something you've done before.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:08:25 GMT-DATE
I sent a note to Carolyn so she can send the brick wall to me. Let's not work on it here
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:08:04 GMT-DATE
Just write a few notes for us!
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:06:11 GMT-DATE
I have a new brick wall for you all. Let me know how to present it.
Hi Pat! I just sat down after a hectic day, so this is R&R!
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:04:59 GMT-DATE
Hello Carolyn - how's everything with you tonight?
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:04:10 GMT-DATE
Good idea Jerry. I guess I should make some notes for next Tuesday evening!
FROM: Carolyn Ellertson on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:03:05 GMT-DATE
Hi All! What's cookin tonight. I've been scrolling down to catch up. Looks like Pat hit a
jackpot, and Nancy too. Well done!
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:02:07 GMT-DATE
Thanks Jerry. I will therefore take a closer look at those deed records.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:02:05 GMT-DATE
It might also be helpfull if we said how we found the info too, not just the answer to the
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:00:26 GMT-DATE
The Norfolk Records Office (http://www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/nroindex.htm) does not
seem to offer BMD index transcriptions on its website.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 3:00:24 GMT-DATE
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:59:39 GMT-DATE
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:59:35 GMT-DATE
Now I see Joy posted right away
for a query on the Feb. 4th demo:
FROM: Joy on DATE-Jan 31, 2009 23:34:35 GMT-DATE
For the Marriage Query:
One of our staff, Miss Betty, wants to ask about Clark County possibly being a "Gretna
a place where folks from out of town could go to be married quickly and with less strict
age, etc. Time period 1895-1910, and people were from Oregon.
The marriage certificate for Timothy Corcoran (Son of Timothy Corcoran in the other
Margaret C Walker is on the Washington Digital Archives. The Marriage date and the
are the same day, so apparently in 1898 there was no waiting period in Clark County
Certificate of Marriage
State of Washington, County of Clarke
I hereby certify, that on the third day of Nov. in the year of our Lord on thousand eight
and ninety eight at Vancouver in the County and State aforesaid, I, the undersigned, a
Priest by authority of a License bearing the date the third of Nov. A.D. 1898 and issued
County Auditor of Clarke County, did on the 3rd day of Nov. A.D. 1898, join in Lawful
TIMOTHY CORCORAN of the County of Clatsop State of Oregon and MARGARET C
WALKER of the County of Clatsop State of Oregon
In the presence of Gillquist Sluth(?) and Mary Denoyer, Witnesses
signed: Timothy Corcoran, Groom
signed: Margaret C Walker, Bride
It would appear that there was no waiting period in Clark County until sometime in the
browsed through marriages on the Washington State digital archives and found
marriages as late
as 1960 where the license was issued the same day as the marriage.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:59:17 GMT-DATE
Steve - father. The census records Joy found list his father as Robert also.
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:56:04 GMT-DATE
Since Pat's Robert would have only been 11 or 12, could that be his father or perhaps
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:56:03 GMT-DATE
No Pat, just him.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:55:50 GMT-DATE
Didn't we have search results
for the previous demo to post?
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:55:00 GMT-DATE
Are there any family members listed with him Jerry?
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:54:48 GMT-DATE
I think it is a better demo if everything is live (no postings of pre-arranged search
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:53:44 GMT-DATE
There is a Robert Hardy, farmer listed in the 1864 White's History,Gazetteer and
Directory in Norfolk.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:53:02 GMT-DATE
It will be a name familiar to several of our GenChatters. Can't say anything here or
there won't be anything for next week!
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:50:21 GMT-DATE
Oops - that's not the installation, that's the election which should only take a few
minutes. Installation is in June.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:49:50 GMT-DATE
Tell us about the one, anyway!
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:49:49 GMT-DATE
Maybe I can send the queries to you and you folks can work on them ahead of time.
How would that be? But don't post the results until just about the time we begin the
meeting on Tuesday. It will probably be 7:15 before we begin GenChat Live at the
meeting. There will have to be a short installation of the officers first.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:48:13 GMT-DATE
How shall we handle the queries for next Tuesday? I have only one so far and I think
maybe Jerry can handle it pretty well which will surprise the person who sent it to me.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:43:05 GMT-DATE
Interesting overlap of locations
for my Henry Kinne of Salem, MASS.
WorldConnect for HENRY KINNE of KINGS LYNNE
# ID: I64186
# Name: Henry Kinne 1
# Sex: M
# Birth: 08 JAN 1622/23 in King's Lynne, Norfolk, England 1
# Reference Number: 64194
# Occupation: See Ref.(r)26 1
# Religion: Church of Salem. 1
# Death: 02 JUN 1710 in Danvers, Essex, Mass. 1
Father: John Kinne (Kinney) b: 1600 in King's Lynn, Norfolk, England
Mother: Sarah Cheever b: 1604 in King's Lynn, Norfolk, England
Marriage 1 Ann Howard Putnam b: 04 FEB 1628/29 in Greenwich, Kent, England
* Married: 03 MAY 1650 in Salem, Mass. 1
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:42:44 GMT-DATE
Parish Registers for St. Margaret church in King's Lynn extend from 1559 to 1976.
Parish Registers for St. Nicholas church in King's Lynn extend from 1562 to 1976.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:40:35 GMT-DATE
I'll wait until this certificate arrives and then see what it proves.
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:39:30 GMT-DATE
12 deed records at the Access 2 Archives website, but no births.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:37:46 GMT-DATE
No Pat, that is all the info provided
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:37:22 GMT-DATE
I see two IGI records that also say Norfolk.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:36:49 GMT-DATE
Jerry - does that registration also show the name of the parents? They would definitely
have to have a daughter just a bit older than Robert - 2 to 3 years at the most.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:34:30 GMT-DATE
"Registration took place at local civil registrars who in turn reported to the Registrar
General at the General Register Office (GRO) in London. This database is a
searchable, digitized version of the indices of civil registrations in England and Wales,
reported quarterly to the General Register Office (GRO) in London."
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:31:18 GMT-DATE
Name: Robert Hardy
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Kings Lynn
Pat - I would also consider this person. The dates in the index were reported locally
and then to the General Records Office quarterly, so even though this has 1853 as the
date, that was when the birth was registered, not the date of birth.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:25:50 GMT-DATE
Reminds me to report a success
in Fort Worth Texas library, which
has a copy of a book from Illinois.
>RE: Elder family research
Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:47 PM
From:"Apley, Shirley" <Shirley.Apley@fortworthlibrary.org<
We have completed the search for James Morrow Elder and have photocopied two
pages of materials for you. The total cost for research, handling and photocopying is
$7.00. We do accept checks/money orders made payable to the Fort Worth Library.
Our mailing address is:
Shirley Apley, Senior Librarian
Fort Worth Library
500 West 3rd Street
Fort Worth, TX 76102
Upon receipt of payment I will mail you the materials. Thank you for choosing the Fort
Worth Library for your research needs.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:22:30 GMT-DATE
I saw the info on the website before I ordered. I've gotten confirmation from them
already so hopefully the certificate copy will be on the way soon. This is exciting
because no one knows anything about Grandpa Hardy. I remember him when I was a
small child. He smoked a pipe constantly and had cancer of the lip/jaw from it. That part
I don't remember but I do still have a little antique toothpick holder that he gave me one
time when we were visiting there. He died in 1936 in the Orchards area at the home of
his youngest son Ralph.
FROM: Steve on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:14:02 GMT-DATE
Pat: I'm on the freebmd.org.uk website now, and cannot seem to get the tool to bring
up the correct image for your ancestor.
FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:06:58 GMT-DATE
Hi Nancy, Pat and Steve.
Pat - looks like Joy found you a solid lead.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:06:05 GMT-DATE
Looks like Sarah might have gotten bounced out of here!
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:05:39 GMT-DATE
Good evening Jerry.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:04:50 GMT-DATE
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:04:42 GMT-DATE
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:03:08 GMT-DATE
I ordered that birth certificate for my great grandfather. Our family knew nothing of his
background except his birth date and England. What fun to add his sister's name, too!
And other kin.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:01:44 GMT-DATE
Gordon Lockwood's photos of ELDER Land near Indian Run Road,
Middle Fork of Holston River, Washington County, Virginia, April 2008.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 2:01:06 GMT-DATE
WASHINGTON CO VA:
The Washington County Surveyors Record 1781-1797 [Now HOLSTON River on map
of Sullivan Co TN]
Page 367 - Robert Elder & James Elder, heirs of Mathew Elder, decd - 349 ac -
Commissioners Certificate - beginning on the north side of the
middle fork of Holstein River in a line of David Snodgrass's land -
by Woods corner - on Graham's line - November 25, 1787...Mathew Elder,
assignee of Daniel McCormic - 400 ac - on the middle fork of Holstein,
includes improvement of 330 ac surveyed on January 22, 1774 - actual
settlement made in 1769 - August 18, 1781
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:58:49 GMT-DATE
The Rev. War Soldier in their
family was in the Battle of Kings
Mountain. I have notes:
The letter he wrote about the battle follows:
Robert Elder, April 2, 1823, certifies: That I was a
volunteer of the regiment commanded by Colonel William Campbell, in
the action, fought upon King's Mountain, on the seventh day of
October, in the year 1780, and do hereby declare, that I never saw
Colonel Campbell on the field of battle after the first onset of the
action, until the surrender of the enemy. I also declare, that I
often saw Colonel Isaac Shelby endeavoring to animate our men, and
particularly at the time of the battle when the enemy charged our
lines, and drove us down the mountain, from one hundred and fifty to
two hundred yards, or upwards. I both saw and heard Colonel Shelby
make great exertions to rally our men, which he finally effected, and
turned them back upon the enemy, and drove them in their turn until
Robert served in his brother Captain James Elder's company under
Colonel Roebuck. He and his wife applied for a pension 25 March 1833
in Lincoln County, Kentucky. According to his pension record he was
born in York County, Pennsylvania.
Library of Congress book entry:
Draper, Lyman Copeland, 1815-1891.
King's Mountain and its heroes; history of the battle of
King's Mountain, October 7th, 1780, and the events which led to it.
[Spartanburg, S.C., Reprint Co., 1967]
612 p. illus., map, plan, ports. 22 cm.
Title page includes original imprint: Cincinnati, P. G. Thomson, 1881.
Subjects: Kings Mountain, Battle of, S.C., 1780.
Series: North Carolina heritage series no. 5
LC Classification: F251 .N87 no. 5
Dewey Class No.: 973.33/6
Robert ELDER, b. 1760 d. 1839.
Buried McCormack Church Cemetery, Lincoln Co KY
List verified with Lincoln Co Historical Society, 10/06.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:56:26 GMT-DATE
Those Greensburg Indiana ELDER names
trace back to Templemore, County
Londonderry, if all the research
is correct. Now I'd love to
get them traced back to Scotland.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:51:00 GMT-DATE
I love it when an ELDER researcher
visits a Church and Cemetery and
has new photos!
From: ELDER Rootsweb Board
Re: Greensburg In. Elders New
sandrafranklin66 (View posts) Posted: 21 May 2009 4:33PM
Since these post's were posted in 2007 we travled to Greensburg and last Mother's day
visited the church Rev. Mathew Elder started.His grave with a beautiful newer
headstone given by the church, is just behind the building. I now think Matthew is a
brother to my husband's gg grandfather William Marshall Elder, not a great
grandfather.My husbands Mother was Doris Elder daughter of Louis Harvey Elder. I
have a picture of the church and grave if anyone is interested. Sandy Franklin
I wrote: Yes please!
FROM: Sarah on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:50:34 GMT-DATE
Good evening all!
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:49:25 GMT-DATE
I've been working hard answering
queries this week, with promises
of more photos from DNA cousins!
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:49:08 GMT-DATE
I'm ordering that birth cert for my great grandfather online now. Be back soon!
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:48:33 GMT-DATE
Wow - it looks like Joy has found me a set of great great grandparents in England! I'm
sure of the date of his birth - old family written records. It does look like the Robert
Hardy of Greenwich would be the right one. No middle name ever for him.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:48:21 GMT-DATE
It's written in big letters on my calendar
by my computer.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:47:50 GMT-DATE
Looks like we're almost ready
for the Chat Demo on the 26th.
FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:45:37 GMT-DATE
FROM: Sarah on DATE-May 21, 2009 1:17:32 GMT-DATE
I wanted yto say a huge "Thank you" for the help last week with Mary Loanna Parker. It
looks more and more like Heman Parker of Washington township, Clermont county,
Ohio was her father, and since he died before 1860, I am going to have FUN locating
death records for him, but that's my next step.
FROM: billw on DATE-May 21, 2009 13:43:15 GMT-DATE
This is a test, setting up for the Tuesday general meeting.
FROM: Joy on DATE-May 19, 2009 23:09:10 GMT-DATE
I followed him on the UK Census records:
1861 England Census
about Robert Hardy
Name: Robert Hardy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Caroline
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hardy 33 Middlesex, Hackney
Caroline Hardy 36 Kent, Deptford
Caroline Hardy 10 Kent, Deptford
Robert Hardy 8 Kent, Deptford
John Hardy 4 Kent, Deptford
Charles Hardy 1 Kent, Deptford
There's a sister 2 years older than him...
1871 England Census
about Charles Hardy
Name: Charles Hardy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Father's Name: George
Where born: Deptford, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members: Name Age
George Stanbridge 48
Henry Stanbridge 17
Alfred Stanbridge 13
John Stanbridge 11
Emily Stanbridge 9
Frederick Stanbridge 6
Caroline Hardy 47
Caroline Hardy 21
John Hardy 14
Charles Hardy 11
Caroline is listed as a widow here and Robert jr is not with the family. While he could
have died, he could just have easily gone to the US by 1871. The 1900 census says
Robert arrived in 1870, two other censuses say 1872 or 1873.
FROM: Joy on DATE-May 19, 2009 23:06:31 GMT-DATE
If you're sure of the December 1852 birthdate, The Free BMD index for England lists
two Robert Hardy's born in December 1852
Births Dec 1852 (99%)
HARDY Robert Greenwich 1d 475
HARDY Robert James St Ives 3b 243
With this information you can order birth certificates from the UK:
You'll need the information listed above (including book and page number (1d 475). It
costs about $10-11 us dollars and can be ordered online.
I would start with the Robert born in Greenwich... because...
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 15, 2009 18:16:28 GMT-DATE
Robert Hardy has the same slanted eyebrows as the little boy which I thought might be
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 15, 2009 18:15:30 GMT-DATE
Here's a photo of Robert Hardy - probably about 1906.
FROM: PatB on DATE-May 15, 2009 18:15:00 GMT-DATE
Here's the picture of the two children:
FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-May 15, 2009 18:13:43 GMT-DATE
Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors,
will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We
close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time.
We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick
walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to
join us when we are open for discussions.
We didn't receive any special brickwall to use this week so Pat is going to test the
abilities of our "crew" again. She says, "I've searched for many years (but not recently)
for the parents of my great grandfather. Here is what I know:
Robert HARDY (no middle name) was born in England (supposedly in Norfolk) 11 Dec
1852. He became a US citizen in 1876 in Oregon. He was a seaman and later became
a farmer. He and Mary Alice ROSS Wigginton (a divorcee in the 1870's!) were married
12 Oct 1878 in Vancouver, Clark, Washington. They are in the 1880 census living at
Beaver Dam, Washington County, Oregon. They made their home in Amboy, Clark,
Washington beginning in 1887.
Their children were named: Alice Euphemia; Robert Lewis; George Henery; Thomas
William; Grover Harold and Ralph Elden - in case any of these might be a clue as to his
parents' names. I have extensive info on all the family members.
I have an old tintype which I will post here of two children. I'm quite certain the little boy
on the trike is Robert Hardy, with a sister perhaps 3 years older. I'll post a photo of
Robert Hardy in later years so you can compare. The tintype was in with Robert
Hardy's belongings when he died. In comparing the eyes and the ears of the little boy
and the older Robert Hardy, I'm certain they are the same person.
O.K. GenChatters - you have your work cut out for you this time!"
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