May 31, 2007 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:00:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, guess we're at the magic moment! Gnight all! FROM: Charles on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:00:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Fine just got home in time to say good night FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:00:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks for you great help, Jim! FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:00:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles - sorry, I'm just leaving. You can read our busy transcript in a few minutes on the web page! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:00:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It'll take me at least a week to chew and digest all of this info. Thanks All. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:59:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, Jerry...thanks for that information. Obviously, I need to start trying other sources besides Ancestry.com. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:59:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles. Good night, Charles! FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:59:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night all. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:59:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles, How are you this evening? FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:59:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, time to sign-off for tonight. Good night to all. Enjoy the weekend. See you again next week. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:59:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like that hour has arrived. I'm going to log out now (be sure to click on the Log Out button!) and I'll grab the transcript and post it this evening. See you next week, I hope! FROM: Glenna on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:58:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thank you, Pat. Nothing particular this evening; however, later. :-) My husband may have had family at Ft. Vancouver way back when. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:57:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There could be more information there, but a search for Abraham Jackson give many hits. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:56:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, I have Emily Clement's date of death as 2/8/1882 (on Anna's handwritten descendants pages). FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:56:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, the IGI is one of the LDS databases. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:56:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay - that is at the Family Search Website - the LDS Church http://www.familysearch.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abraham L. Jackson Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 15 SEP 1822 , Wyoming, New York Christening: Death: 19 JUN 1894 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Jennie M. BROWN Family Marriage: 25 DEC 1866 Roscoe, Stearns, Minnesota FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:55:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks PatB. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:54:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Go to this page and make a favorite of it or a bookmark to it and you'll find the transcript later this evening. Transcripts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:53:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry...that's our man. but darn! no burial or death location. I don't understand where you are searching for that information. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:52:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Before we go off line..will all of the information we've been entering be in the "transcript"? Which I can get from where?? FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:52:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, try the Oakland FHC at 4766 Lincoln Ave. I'm a native of Washington State. However, I have lived in Santa Rosa for nearly 30 years. No, I do not know the Kradjan Family. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:51:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It's fun having such a busy evening. It certainly makes these two hours go quickly. FROM: Glenna on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:51:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Fine, thank you, Nancy. Just checking to be sure I can get in. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:50:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Glenna, How are you this evening? FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:50:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 North America Abraham L. Jackson Male Event(s): Birth: 15 SEP 1822 , Wyoming, New York Christening: Death: 19 JUN 1894 Burial: Marriages: Spouse: Emily CLEMENT Marriage: 08 FEB 1882 Racine, Mower, Minnesota Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:49:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening Glenna - glad you could join us for a few minutes this evening. Can we help you with something? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:49:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 4766 Lincoln Ave Oakland, California 94602 USA Phone: 510-531-3905 Hours open: Tues-Thur 9:30-9:30, Fri 9:30-5, Sat. 12-5 (Last updated: April 21, 1997) Temple Hill FHC 4915 Lincoln Way Oakland, California 94602 USA Phone: 510-531-3905 Hours open: Tuesday-Saturday Notes: Visitor Center Basement (Last updated: September 29, 1998) 4780 Lincoln Ave. Oakland, California 94602-2595 USA Phone: 650-531-3905 Hours open: Tues-thur, 9:30-21:30; Fri 9:30-17:00; Sat 12:00-17:00 Notes: Many US censuses and early French-Canadian records. Excellent census index book collection (Last updated: December 31, 1998) Oakland Family History Center 4766 Lincoln Avenue Oakland, California 94602 U.S.A. Phone: (510) 531-3905 Hours open: T,W,Th 9:30am-9:30pm; Fri 9:30am-5pm; Sat 10am-5pm Notes: Closed Sunday and Monday; Total Hours per week = 50 1/2 (Last updated: July 06, 2000) FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:48:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim...are you a native of Santa Rosa? If so, did you ever know the Kradjans? FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:48:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, most of the Sonoma Co. people fly out of Oakland when they go to Salt Lake City. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:48:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry...how did you find that index to wills and estates? Were you looking on the familysearch.org site? FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:47:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: "Stake Centers"? Hmmmm, with check it out. Although sounds like a place to get equipment to go after vampires. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:47:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia - Jim is a CCGS member who lives in Santa Rosa. He's been a big help with the cemetery web project by making indexes of obituaries and composing the obits into a format which can be changed to a PDF file for ease in posting. He's been a lot of help with the project. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:47:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: CA Family History centers http://www.genhomepage.com/FHC/California.html FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:46:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There's definitely one for SF, Claudia. I had already checked. Probably one for Oakland as well. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:46:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, Probably not at the temple, but look in the phone book for their "Stake centers" with libraries FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:46:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I would think so...unless the family history centers are located at different sites. I'm sure there are several in Oakland. I've heard that Vancouver has 3. Not to mention Portland. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:46:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, if the temple has a library associated with it. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:45:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Betty. Nice meeting you. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:45:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, guess I could check to see if there is a San Francisco Geneaological Society too. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:45:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Betty. Great to have you chatting again tonight. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:45:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Betty FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:44:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: thank you, Betty! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:44:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey, Kay. There's Mormon temple here in Oakland, think they have access to records there? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:44:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh boy think I am on overload. Must say goodnite and happy hunting FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:44:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, if you are interested in spending a week in Salt Lake City, the Sonoma Co. (CA) Genealogical Society goes each spring. Usually it is at the end of April or the first week in May. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:43:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Index, 1850-1983: Hansen, Marie - Jones, David FHL US/CAN Film 1379327 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:42:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, Yipes! Another good reason to try finding the county clerk online! FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:42:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The cost of ordering microfilm has risen to over $5 each. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:42:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Title Index to wills and estates, 1850-1983 Authors Wisconsin. County Court (Racine County) (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of original records filmed at the Racine County courthouse in Racine, Wisconsin. Subjects Wisconsin, Racine - Probate records - Indexes Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1984 Physical 11 microfilm reels ; 16 mm. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:41:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I liked going to SLC and looking at maybe 250 to 300 rolls of film each time. I could look quickly through a roll and if it was the wrong one, I could easily put it away and get another roll. Saves many months of research time. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:41:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Some of the counties are very modern, and one of them knew the family I was looking for! The Clerk put me in touch, as they worked for the county, too! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:40:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - McGuin or McGwin, apparently from Armagh. My grandmother (Kay's greatgrandmother) married a March whose mother was a McGwin. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:40:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Many LDS churches have a Family History Center (FHC). Look in the phone book and give them a call to find out the hours that they are open. Anyone can use the FHC. You do not have to be a LDS member. They are staffed by knowledgeable people who are happy to assist you in using their resources. I spend a few hours every week in my local FHC. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:40:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Transportation is up to each individual. Most of them fly. They stay at the Carlton which is reasonable with a full breakfast each morning. I used to go every year but had lots of problem recovering from the hemoglobin change caused by the high elevation in SLC. Decided it's not worth feeling "wiped out" for two weeks after returning home. Besides, I haven't had time to do any of my own research for several months. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:40:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Don't forget to try finding the county clerk's e-mail online also, it's a great short cut to finding it all yourself! FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:39:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I just might have to try the LDS center, Nancy. Betty! That's a great resource. Thank you. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:38:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, What's the name of the Irish ancestor? My ELDER folks were in ULSTER before they came to PA. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:38:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia...I volunteer for the lookout spot. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:38:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, Familysearch.org is on line and you go into search and then catalog type in you county name and it will bring what records are avaiable on film to order. Then you go to the family history center on 18th and order the film, they will call you when it comes in and you have about three weeks to search the film on site. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:38:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat...I would love to go to SLC as well but I doubt it is in the cards. Do you fly or drive? FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:37:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, Kay, someone has to be the lookout... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:37:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, Yes, that works! I called ahead to ask hours and they told me they would be happy to help. It costs $3 or so to order some microfilms from the catalog. You can identify the films online first, and then write a request using the order #'s while at 18th Street or any of the LDS ceneters. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:37:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty...great clue. Because there were much younger children than A.L. and they probably would have received more. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:37:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A trip to SLC is a thought, but unfortunately not this year...since hubby and I have a trip planned to Ireland (checking into an ancestor over there) and Germany the middle of October. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:36:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm sure they were very wealthy. I know Nancy never remarried (widow for about 12 years) as she didn't need someone to take care of those five kids! FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:36:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ditto...on the grave robbing. McMinnville isn't too far away from me. You are coming with me, aren't you, Claudia?? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:35:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, if Jacob had land and at his death they got rid of it most of the times it lists the children even if they did not get a share. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:35:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: PATENT_L_N PATENT_F_N PATENT_M_I SECTION_NR TOWNSHIP RANGE TOTAL_ACRE L_O_CODE DOCUMENT_N SIGN_DATE REMARKS FELCH ALSON 31 3 N 23 E 160 09 4388 1840/12/10 JACOB JACKSON FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:35:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...do you just walk on in to the 18th Street LDS center and start asking questions? FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:35:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Jim - I'll have to look at some other film to see what it says about Richard Blackwell. I copied over 30 pages from that one roll of film! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:34:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't know...the grave robbing for DNA seems easier to me. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:34:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: $25K in 1839??? Holy smokes. They must have been the Vanderbilts. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:34:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Have either of you ever been to Salt Lake City? Our CCGS group is going the end of September into the first week of October. It's an annual thing. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:34:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, I like the 18th Street LDS center, they have good help there, too. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:34:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I would be a little surprised if probate records included the burial location. They definately include the death death in order to prove that the person had died. Otherwise, there would be no point of the probate! FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:33:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, I've never looked at any LDS records. I understand that in Vancouver there are some local places to do this. Are there kind people in those places who will lead a genealogy idiot to the right source? FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:32:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Neither my gg grandfather or grandmother expected to die so young so apparently neither had a will. She was 51 when she died in St. Louis County, MO. Not sure of his age but he was fairly young and he died in Crawford County, MO. Wife had to put up a bond of nearly $25,000 in 1839 to serve as executrix of her own husband's estate! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:32:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WILL WITNESSED BY JOHN ELDER of WOOD COUNTY OHIO (from Ohio Vital Records) Received from Probate Court 3/31/03 WILKISON, JACOB date: 8-16-1833 Recorded: 5-15-1834 Wife, Sally, also to serve as executrix Signed: Jacob WILKISON Witnesses: John J. Lovett & JOHN ELDER http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/JacobWilkison1833.htm FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:31:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't think any selling or giving of land occurred between Jacob and Abraham L. while they were living. But maybe we could find probate or wills of Jacob's. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:31:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good questions...no answers from me. Kay? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:30:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: OK its time to look at LDS film in the State, County, and the date of death FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:30:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Wills are part of court records especifically if the estate goes through probate. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:30:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Look for probate records maybe?? I found the probate records for my gg grandfather on microfilm in Salt Lake City one time. Lots of pages of stuff but still no actual death date for him or place of burial. I found probate records for his wife on Internet. Her records had the death date but also no burial place! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:30:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, Yes, courts have those, and I've been having good luck e-mailing to ask them questions these days. They will tell how much they charge for copies, etc. Also if they don't have a will, they might have probate papers to copy, those also have valuable info, such as names of the children at the time. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:29:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim...the will of Jacob? Where would we look for it? FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:29:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Are there any land records that mention or show the selling or giving of land between the Jacksons? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:28:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Since he died so late with so much land if he did not have a will the land distribution to the kids ought to be on file FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:28:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Where does one find a will? Are wills part of court records? FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:26:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't think we've found the will of anyone. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:26:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There was apparently a story in the Columbian on May 17 but I didn't see it. It was a very short story telling of the approaching ceremony to change the name. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:26:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, That's great! They can also send the results to FamilyTreeDNA surname projects for free from National Geographic webpage. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:26:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm feeling a little better now that I've degraded this sophisticated group down to being grave robbers... FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:25:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Concerning Jacob and Abraham Jackson, did you find the will of Jacob? FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:25:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Better go at night. I think you might get arrested for digging up someone in a cemetery FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:24:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, Kay is taking about when we dig up a beloved ancestor...not the DNA on one us living... FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:24:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good grief Kay. I think just a small piece of the marrow or inside of the bone is taken. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:24:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, It's a good thing it's just a little toothbrush swab for the inside of your mouth! It goes into a little tube and you send it back to the lab in their envelope. Very easy! FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:24:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...I know...that's all I want to do is take photographs. I'm trying to convince these folks that I am a trustworthy, nice person. Some people are hard to convince. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:23:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat over the last twelve years I have run into a few of those people also. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:22:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gosh, do you send in the bone itself? If you dig it up won't the exterior be all crusty with who knows what? What part of the bone do you send? I can't believe this conversation. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:22:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, did the Columbian have any articles this week on the name change for St. James Acres? FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:22:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: They changed the name in honor of Mother Joseph. Read the stories about her and you'll see why. I hope to have more of a story on the site later with some photos of the ceremony. Mother Joseph is buried in that cemetery. She did so much for our area. I'm not Catholic but I'm certainly in awe of her! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:22:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: NancyEP, I have the NG DNA project kits...one for my dad, one for me and one for my husband. Actually, my chiropractor put me onto the National Geographic project. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:22:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, Now most people have digital cameras with Zoom, and that works very well for taking photos of the handwritten pages of the BIBLE. I have some posted: DAVID ELDER' BIBLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/pa/BibleDavidElder1752.htm FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:21:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, yep, next stop Toppenish. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:20:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: PatB, Love it! I work in the medical field (medical transcriptionist) and can appreciate your "sense of humor"... FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:20:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did go to Lone Fir Cemetery in Portland almost prepared to do some digging one day. I'm sure my gg grandfather is buried there beside his wife since her second husband is buried across the Willamette River in another cemetery. The plot beside Nancy is supposedly empty but I think if it was empty, that's where Lewis Godard would have been put! FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:20:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - I had not looked there yet. Why did they change the name? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:20:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, They have been digging some bones, like Christopher Columbus, I think. But the "home kits" from FamilyTreeDNA in Houston, just cost $99, and they also process the same kits from National Geographic's DNA project, which anyone can order. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:20:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Goldendale...wow. Claudia, that's getting close to your mom. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:19:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: JerryT, what a great picture and what a treasure. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:18:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty - this is my ggrandmother about 1905: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thompsongenealogy/almira_thompson.jpg FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:18:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...what a neat story! There is a bible from A.L.'s first wife that exists. I've been trying to work through several shirtail relatives to get to it. It's a little frustrating not to be able to see it. But I have hope. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:18:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My daughter thought I was actually going to dig up someone because my license plate holder says, "Genealogists dig up dead relatives!" FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:18:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, You can see all my "NOTES" now, and the organization isn't as good as Pat's webpages. I just started making pages, and now it's more like a "WEBLOG" in the new vocabulary. My home page is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:18:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sorry, if this is getting a bit "gorey"...my sense of humor. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:17:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm always willing to share any and all of my material. Some people won't share anything but take everything - the reason I don't put many sources on my web pages. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:17:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Not the bones...don't bones have DNA in them? FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:17:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Digging people up? I would think they are down to ashes and dust by now! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:16:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I follow the SHARE IT ALL! philosophy! One lady brought me a family BIBLE from Franklin Co PA. which was left in Salem Oregon, because she was convinced I was the nearest relative. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:15:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy, I try to scan everything as well and then send it off to Claudia. In my electronic files I have photos, old letters, cemetery stones, etc. all separated by generation, last name, first, and then subfiles for the kids under those. I would sure like to see how you have your files organized!! FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:15:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - have you seen the way I have the Mother Joseph Catholic Cemetery set up now? They changed the name from St. James Acres to Mother Joseph on Memorial Day. I've put links to some really neat stories about Mother Joseph on the page. Mother Joseph Catholic Cemetery: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waclacem/StJamesAcres/stjamesacres.htm FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:15:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, I was just thinking the same thing. What about digging somebody up??? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:14:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry and I bet you have pictures also. Lucky bum FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:13:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't think Claudia and I know any live Jacksons from this line, do we? Unless Abe's son David had a son out there somewhere. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:13:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, It's great to find the sources. I do try to do that as I post. I scan death certificates, post photos of cemetery markers, etc. DAR likes those good printouts of Cemetery markers, too! FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:12:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've made web pages for several friends. One gal had all of her sources and people were just taking the information and never contacting her. We removed the sources because of that. I think it's better to just post the info and have people contact you for sources. Otherwise there's no exchange of information! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:12:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now I'm getting nauseated...what's that darn Maalox... FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:12:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty - it really makes it noce to see what she wrote: I first met my husband before the War. We were school children together. We lived near together at the time he went in the Army and he was a strong healthy young man. Never had any sickness except the ague, or physical defects to my knowledge before his going in the Army. We became engaged when he came home on furlough in January 1864. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:11:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, All the male descendants with the same last name, will probably have the same DNA. We know have 20 kits matching my brother's DNA, all from current live descendants. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:11:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...that's such a great idea to post the info for other researchers. I want to do that as well. Some folks aren't into sharing. On Rootsweb Freepages, do the sources post along with the pedigree and name info? Most of the trees posted on Ancestry World Tree don't have sources so they are only rumors or clues. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:10:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ah yes the waiting game FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:10:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My ELDER DNA webpage is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:10:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, I started the ELDER DNA project when I wondered if my brother's DNA would match the Pennsylvania group from Franklin Co PA. The first 3 DNA kits from FamilyTreeDNA in Houston, TX, all matched my brother's DNA, and I was hooked!! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:09:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: So, do we have to dig someone up to get their DNA? Actually, that could be the easier way to prove it, huh? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:09:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry Wow! what a jumping off place FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:08:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty...as long as DAR accepts those other two applications, we can tie directly in to them. The line is pretty straight for us. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:08:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Whoa, DNA? FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:08:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty - same here. Made it pretty easy to follow them. also, my GGrandmother gave a deposition of several pages that listed how they met, where they lived, who were their neighbors, when the kids were born, who was there and on and on. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:08:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, I posted almost everything on ROOTSWEB FREEPAGES, so my other cousins and ELDER researchers can use the info and comment. They are always inspiring me to find more details, for other ELDER lines, etc. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:07:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat I got lost and booted when I went looking for the cemetery records, guess I will do it later FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:06:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I keep beating Claudia over the head with "what's the source?" FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:06:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, I had the feeling that they were looking at all the previous patriots with that name, because they wrote in another ROBERT ELDER who had been mixed up with mine! On the next applications they did a better job of recognizing my ROBERT ELDER of FRANKLIN CO PA as different that the ROBERT ELDER in PAXTANG, PA. Now we have ELDER DNA from descendants, who show very different DNA for the 2 groups. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:06:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: here it is....SEEEE??? FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:05:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think you got that right, Claudia. Grandma is nearly my entire motivation. And they say the dead don't come back to haunt us. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:05:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I know what's coming now... FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:05:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay and ClaudiaM a word of caution the early years in DAR submission were not well documented, that is why it is harder to work on now days. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:04:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Folks...how many of you do NOT use computer software to track your genealogy information? FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:04:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now I understand why Anna Wills passed this stuff on to us...the "quitter" (ha, ha). She would be so proud if we got accepted. I think this was her "master" plan...for us to meet and continue on with the search. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:03:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Me? Stable? FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:02:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry...I will need to spend more time with the DAR site. I have sound it to be a little cumbersome and confusing but maybe that's because I'm not using it enough. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:02:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No, no, Kay...one of us has to be the "stable" one. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:02:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, My Civil War pension, for Josiah ELDER, b. 1848 in Wood County, OH, was wonderful to use for the DAR. Lots of info about his second wife, who had been DIVORCED!! Other researchers had said he had 3 wives because they mixed up the names. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:02:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay this is not something that happens over night I know people that have been searching for year. Everything will look a little clearer to you tomorrow. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:01:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry what I liked along with bible record is that as he moved he would reapply so it gave me a real record of his travels FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:00:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...oh, dear. this whole DAR thing is beginning to sound a lot more difficult than I thought. I'm joining Claudia with the drugs thing. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:00:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: From the DAR Library: Searching Family Names 1. Search for many family names hidden in books on other surnames in the catalog by simply typing in the surname of interest in the subject box. The DAR Library cataloging staff makes extensive subject tracings to identify the major families mentioned in every family history or genealogy processed into the collection. 2. Consider searching various spellings of surnames not only for families but for authors of books. Wide variations in names appear in published materials and failure to consider all posibilities may lead to overlooked information. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:00:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do the people at DAR really check all of the stuff submitted in the applications? It must take months to get approved or denied. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:59:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now my neck and shoulders ache...this is really a lot to digest...maybe I need a Maalox... FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:58:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Mine was denied several times, too, but he never gave up an was finally approved. His wife was also approved as the Widow. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:58:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, The hardest part for me to accomplish, was making sure that I had all the handwritten WILLS and death certificates copied in a "good presentation" style. I had carefully transcribed on the computer, and I sent those nice pages, but they wanted a legible copy from 1807.... FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:57:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...those are good examples to follow. I have the forms and have been working with those as well. I wish DAR made them into a fillable Word document or PDF. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:56:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry I got one of the two hundred plus pages and one of them was a bile record with all of his siblings and parents. He was denied also. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:56:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, They are also digitizing all the papers at the DAR library-- some of it is now online. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:55:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...I have DAR member papers that are helping Claudia and I link to the ancestors after Jacob Jackson. Claudia...I've been working with the local registrar but we need to get some of the sources/proof together before I go bug her for more help. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:55:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay and Jerry I found on Ancestry where he filled for a pension but did not receive it not validated but all the papers he filled are still part of the pension file. Below in transcript are the file numbers. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:55:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's one of the worksheets for an ELDER cousin who filed for the same patriot, ROBERT ELDER: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/pa/FrancescaDAR.htm FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:54:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Whoa! What dedication. Hey, Kay, every want to take a trip to DC? Heather is closer, maybe I'll give her a project. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:53:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, Yes, the local DAR chapter has registrar's who helped us file our papers, and gave a special class in finding the best resources. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:53:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have been to the DAR Library in DC. It is fantastic! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:52:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy,Then, I take it you are the resident expert? So, does the DAR have reference books that people applying for membership can have access to? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:51:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, Then I helped 3 more ELDER descendants file their papers using my membership # as a base. It sure didn't take as long to get those filed! FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:51:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Minnesota Land Records about Abraham L Jackson Name: Abraham L Jackson Land Office: LITCHFIELD Document Number: 2672 Total Acres: 168.82 Misc. Doc. Nr.: 5893 Signature: Yes Canceled Document: No Issue Date: 1 Nov 1875 Mineral Rights Reserved: No Metes and Bounds: No Statutory Reference: 12 Stat. 392 Multiple Warrantee Names: No Act or Treaty: May 20, 1862 Multiple Patentee Names: No Entry Classification: Homestead Entry Original Land Description: 1 NWNW 5TH PM No 121 N 46 W 3 2 NE 5TH PM No 121 N 46 W 4 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:50:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, My ROBERT ELDER papers were approved in 2005. I am DAR Member #833222 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:49:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, I didn't try those, as I was having good luck printing the pages from HQ. Maybe they are now in good competition to have a legible printout!! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:49:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is anyone here or anyone know of a DAR member? FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:49:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Name: Abraham Jackson , Enlistment Date: 16 Aug 1862 Side Served: Union State Served: Minnesota Death Date: 20 Jan 1894 Service Record: Enlisted as a Sergeant on 16 August 1862 at the age of 39. Enlisted in Company G, 7th Infantry Regiment Minnesota on 16 Aug 1862. Mustered Out Company G, 7th Infantry Regiment Minnesota on 16 Aug 1865 at Fort Snelling, MN. Sources: 11,201 FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:48:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy...Do you know if DAR likes the .pdfs of census files from Ancestry? FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:48:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Now I'm getting a headache....200 pages... FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:48:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see Joy already posted this: Surname: Jackson Given Name and Rank: Abraham L. Pvt Age: 39 Induction Date: 16 Aug 1862 Regiment: G SEVENTH Birth Place: New York Town of Residence: Wanamingo County of Residence: Goodhue State of Residence: Minn Notes: SGT Discharge Date: 16/AUG/1865 FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:47:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WOW! 200 pages??? FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:47:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sometimes those can be a real treaure trove of information. My GGrandfather's was over 200 pages long. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:46:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: no civil war records. where do we look for those, Jerry? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:45:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, I also went back over all the census pages that I had printed on the old microfilm machines, and made new ones with the .pdf files on Heritage Quest. I was told that the DAR really likes those .pdf files, as they print on one page. And, they gave me a certificate and member number: 833222. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:45:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay? I haven't gotten Civil War records. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:44:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay/Claudia - have you gotten Abraham L. Jackson's Civil War records yet? FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:37:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, I'm here. Mom had called and I've been catching up reading the postings. Question???? Hmmm...my head is spinning...could be the pear cider I had at Barclay's... FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:37:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy good bit of information I think the rule of thumb is send everything, or it use to be that way. Not a member but have helped on a lot years ago. Times and rule have changed. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:36:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks, Betty. I'm trying to think of what question to ask next! Claudia? are you there? Got a question? FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:36:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I haven't told FreeFind to index the Washougal page yet. I thought I'd wait until I get done but perhaps I should do it now so they can search for a name with the program. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:35:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry oh that would have been such a help with some of my stubbon names. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:35:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty, I did send some obits along with my DAR papers, as I thought they were old enough to do some good! FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:34:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm trying to make shortcuts whenever possible to make this project go faster and smoother. I have a file inside my html file that is New Stones. I put about 30 or so pictures there, change the name of each one so it will post on Rootsweb, enter each photo in my program, post the page I'm working on and then post the photos with the FTP program. Then I delete those photos from the New Stones folder and begin anew. I get kind of "rummy" sometimes and have to quit! FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:34:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay it never hurts to ask question even if you think its dumb and everyone knows it except me...not true but someone my have the answer for you. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:32:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty - yes the "*" works for the last name, too. You must enter at least 3 characters though. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:31:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim - that's the template I use for posting the photos. I'll delete it when I finish the project. I post a bunch of those, then go back and open each one, change it from Not Posted to the name of the people buried with that stone and then replace the funny little man with the actual stone photo. It saves a lot of hours of work. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:30:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat your devotion Will be sooo appreciated by those who are searching for the lost people through out the nation and abroad FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:29:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Bonnie Garner had taken the photos of every stone in that cemetery and she gave me a CD which is very easy to use. Time consuming but easy. I don't have to resize many of the photos so that helps a lot. It takes me about two minutes per photo to post them and there are about 3000 photos. As I've said before - this project is keeping me off the streets and out of the malls! FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:28:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, the last entry of photos for Washougal Memorial Cemetery is a link for "Not Posted". This link does not seem to go anywhere. Should it be deleted? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:28:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy I know you are gone but does the "*" work for last names also? If I am gone perhaps just leave a note FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:26:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat...that's reeaally cool! What a wonderful resource. So clean and easy to use. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:25:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I know that DAR will not take obits as evidence but combined with everything you gather it might tip the scale. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:24:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have used all of the methods mentioned tonight except for the " * ". I have found that sometimes you have to play Ancestry census records against Heritage Quest. Sometimes one or the other will have clearer images than the other one. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:23:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will do that, Betty. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:23:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If you'll take a look at our Washougal Memorial Cemetery web page (part of the Clark County Cemetery project) you'll see what I've been doing for the past 10 days. I'm posting photos of all the gravestones in this cemetery. I'm working on the M's now. Take a look at: Washougal Cemetery: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waclacem/WashougalMemorial/washougalmemorial.htm FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:22:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay as I meantion below in the transcrip I would send for the obit they offered from MN Historical Society. Sometimes they have compiled the obits with the War vetrans that have been buried. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:21:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Bye Joy FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:20:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry...the soundex search sounds like a good idea as well. Heritage Quest is a new resource to me that I will have to check out. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:20:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night, Joy. FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:20:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will, Judy. Night. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:19:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: TEll you mom hi, Joy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:19:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Yes, I like to use the advanced search on Heritage Quest, too. FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:19:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, I hate to chat and run, but I need to go over to my mom's house. I'll check back later if I can. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:17:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I will someimes search on just the first name and perhaps narrow it down with the place of birth and/or date. Also, using the soundex search or unchecking the exct box can get results for names that were butchered by either the census taker or the indexer. Also, you can get very different results from Heritage Quest which you can get to hrough your local library since they used a different method of indexing. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:17:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy, I'm happy to hear that the genealogy bug is helping you with the photos! FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:17:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, another way to search when you're really frustrated and nothing else comes up... If you want a specific census year, do a general search... like just Jackson. Pick the census you want to search and using the advanced search features you can do things like search Jackson, born 1821 + / - 2 years, born in New York. Try different combinations of information and just totally leave out the first name. Sometimes Ancestry doesn't have them indexed very well. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:16:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I tried that hint for Missouri, Buchanan County. Lots of similar Abrahams--wrong color. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:16:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good idea Nancy..... Daughter was really upset at the condition of the stones in the cemetery...broken, some leaning and on the verge of falling, etc. I think she is going to try to go back and photo more tombstones this summer. I think mom's genealogy bug has bitten her!!! FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:15:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay just persevenance (sp) and luck sometimes. Sometimes its page by page FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:15:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, Then I hope for a real odd first name and try that without the last name, with as much of the state, county and dates as I can. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:14:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, I often just use the last name and as much of the state, county and dates as I can. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:14:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: With only one burial listed for Sheridan, it would be easy to to add that burial to the Sheridan Masonic listings. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:13:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy, Send the person who posted the other info (name and e-mail usually at the bottom of the page) whatever you need to enter. I've had good luck with their editing. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:13:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, that's a great hint. I have typed A but it doesn't get me anywhere. Any other hints, Betty? FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:12:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay thank you Joy just gave you one way to do the search. FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:11:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, Judy. As much as we have. FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:11:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, when you're searching for Abraham Jackson at ancestry... in the first name box type Abr* and then Jackson in the last name box. Narrow it down to United States and Minnesota. Ancestry will let you do a search with an * if you have more than three letters. This will let you find both Abraham and Abram, etc. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:10:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, will your family CD have obits and photos? FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:09:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Lucky you, Betty. I just wonder about your technique so I can copy it! I've been searching for A.L. but could only find him in the MN 1875 and 1885 census taken in Big Stone. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:09:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Daughter decided that everyone calls it Sheridan Cemetery but really is Sheridan Masonic...she wondered how you got people/or someone to combine info....get the sheridan stuff into sheridan Masonic FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:09:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yep, Chester Eliphalet, married Eliza Keys...etc. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:08:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, try Sheridan Masonic FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:07:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, I knew that Charles existed and yes, he was a son of Jacob and Fanny. The other son of theirs was Chester. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:07:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sheridan Cemetery in Yamhill Co., Oregon only lists one burial and no photos. FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:07:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi All You're welcome, Kay. I seem to have a knack for finding the unfindable on ancestry. LOL FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:06:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Abraham was also listed in the 1790 MN veteran census so it was just him listed. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:06:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The spammer was using other e-mail addresses so he wouldn't be blamed for sending the stuff. Someone had been using mine to send out all kinds of stuff and it wasn't coming from MY computer but it appeared as if it was because of the way he set it up. Probably the same guy. It's easy to forge a "from" address to any e-mail. When I send out a reminder for the guys in my high school class about their luncheon, I always put the chairman's e-mail address in the Reply to: to they can just hit a reply and send him a note. Works easily. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:06:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, in the info sent to me from Wallingford from Nellie Button, a Charles Jacob Jackson born 10/12/1848 is listed. Must be the guy indicated by Don...see it helped that I printed something out now. Apparently a son of Jacob and Fanny Goodrich?? Kay, this is in the info I recently sent you. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:05:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening Joy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:04:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Kay, When I looked at the home page on Ancestry.com, it was advertising the MN STATE census for 1875 and 1885. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:03:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, They say not to add the word CEMETERY, just search for the name of the cemetery by itself. FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:03:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, I just pulled it up... www.Findagrave.com FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:03:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Right. Jean/Jennie. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:03:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Betty...where are you finding these census records? I've only explored them using Ancestry and searching off the person's name. These hits never came up. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:02:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I was happy about them catching the spam guy, too! I'm just worried that I'm still getting that kind of spam on the ELDER Family BB, maybe because he has sent it out to other computers who also send his junk... FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:01:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think Jean is supposed to be Jennie...you know those census takers weren't very particular about spelling names correctly. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:01:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good ol' A.L. sure got around. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:01:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: claudia, who could Jean be?? Another wife we didn't know of? FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:01:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Searching for Sheridan Cemetery at Findagrave.com did not find such a cemetery in Oregon. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:00:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1865 MN State Census Goodhue Co., Wanamingo same names as below only younger 1875 MN Goodhue, Leon Abraham 47 NY Jean M. 34 NY Harriet 18 WI Frank 14 WI Estella 11 WI Henry 7 MN FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 2:00:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Have you heard on the news today about the spam guy they caught? I think they've been working on that case for a long time and say it should make a difference in all the junk we get by e-mail. He has been sending out hundreds of thousands of spam messages. Hopefully they will lock him up for a long, long time - with no computer access! FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:59:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, Sheridan, Yamhill County, Oregon...She took over 150 pics in the Masonic Cemetery FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:59:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well, the Arcade Cemetery holds Abraham Jackson JR. and Mary Button. Abraham L. is the mystery man. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:58:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No, you don't, Claudia. It's really neat the way Pat gets it all set up. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:58:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy, what state is this Sheridan Cemetery located in? Findagrave.com lists at least 8 with photos and several more without photos. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:56:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Huh? Transcript? You mean I don't have to print as we go along??? FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:56:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, I know how to find them and will tell Claudia. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:56:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey, Claudia...how does the most recent information from the Arcade cemetery affect the reported Missouri deaths? FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:55:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do both of you know how to find the transcript later this evening? I usually have it posted by 9:15, unless I have a lot of URLs to clean up. Those take quite a bit of time. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:55:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy, Thanks, I loved the walk around the flower trail --and I watered 2 Garden pots for their gardeners! Say hello to all the Brickers for me, too! FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:53:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Evening Nancy....get your walk in today? Had a good visit with Brickers over the weekend...they asked about you. FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:53:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Tomorrow I'll post the brickwall for next time. I'll probably be sending out the reminder message very early Tuesday morning as we're leaving for the Oregon Coast then. Won't be back until Thursday afternoon. I'm glad to have a topic this early! FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:52:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Betty and Nancy. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:52:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm looking for the same stuff as Kay right now, since this is all new to me. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:52:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Joy, you have come up with some super new census records references. Thanks! FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:52:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm glad to see Kay and Claudia here. It always makes it more interesting if the person asking a question is able to join us. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:51:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks, I'm happy to see so much info already! This week I was inspired by another Rev. War Researcher to add free "STORY PAGES" to the PENNSYLVANIA ARCHIVES references for ROSTERS of each ELDER soldier as well as for the letters from Path Valley that were signed by various ELDER patriots. Identified PA ARCHIVES in "gallery". see: ELDER families in Franklin Co PA - Main page - with references http://www.footnote.com/page/1066 Rosters - DAVID ELDER - Rev. War Soldiers of Franklin Co PA http://www.footnote.com/page/1076 Rosters - ABRAHAM ELDER - Rev. War Soldiers of Franklin Co PA http://www.footnote.com/page/1081 Rosters - JOHN ELDER - Rev. War Soldiers of Franklin Co PA http://www.footnote.com/page/1082 Rosters - SAMUEL ELDER - Rev. War Soldiers of Franklin Co PA http://www.footnote.com/page/1083 Rosters - WILLIAM ELDER - Rev. War Soldiers of Franklin Co PA http://www.footnote.com/page/1087 FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:51:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia and I tease each other a bit! FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:50:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Claudia, is there anything special that you are researching tonight? FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:50:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This is a question from Judy Riley that we can work on tonight, too. "My daughter took pics in Sheridan Cemetery on Memorial Day and posted them on Findagrave.com. There are several headstones with names but no date of birth or death. J. C. Calette a military stone with lst Wash R. N. Falconer a military stone with Co C lst Ore Mtd Vols Lucy E Graves Dod Jul 11 1924 JAS Harmon military stone Co K 117 IND INF" Findagrave web site: http://www.findagrave.com FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:50:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: After all my reminders???!! FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:50:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey, Kay, bet you thought I'd forget... FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:49:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, in CO FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:49:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: pat, that would be great...just thought it would be fine to hunt for those people. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:48:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: FYI...Claudia joins us from Oakland, CA. FROM: Kay on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:48:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm here! FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:48:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Judy - I have your note that you sent earlier. Do you want me to find it and post it here this evening? It would be a good subject for tonight, too. FROM: ClaudiaM on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:48:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi All. I'm Kay Cooke's cousin. She entered the brickwall for Abraham Jackson. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:48:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And Kay FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:47:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat and Judy FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:47:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, it Judy Riley.... FROM: Riley on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:47:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim, Jerry and ClaudiaM....really early birds FROM: PatB on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:46:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Glad to see so much stuff here already for Kay. I hope she joins us this evening. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:44:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Riley or is it Judy? FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:42:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Claudia. FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:42:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Claudia FROM: jerryt on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:41:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Howdy Jim FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:41:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry. FROM: Jim on DATE-May 31, 2007 1:36:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm a little early for tonight, but it will give me a chance to read the postings that are already here. FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 23:25:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Note: **Abraham L. Jackson Born: 15 Sep 1822, Wyoming Co, NY He couldn't have been born in Wyoming County, New York. It didn't exist until May 14, 1841. Wyoming was formed from Genesee County, May 14, 1841. Eagle, Pike and a part of Portage were annexed from Allegany Co. in 1846. The county seat is Warsaw. There is a Jacob Jackson listed on the 1820, 1830, 1840 censuses for China, Genessee County, New York, with a neighboring Abraham Jackson, possibly Jacob's father. 1850 Census has a Jacob O Jackson living in China, Wyoming, NY, not old enough to be the previous Jacob, but perhaps a son. Maybe following him could find a Bible record listing a brother. Name: Jacob O Jackson Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Birth Place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): China, Wyoming, New York He has a 17 year old wife named Mary Ann, and a 9/12 daughter named Mary A. (Census date 15 Sept 1850) In 1810 they are in Sheldon, Genesee, New York and listed with them as heads of household is an Abraham Jackson Jr. 1800 Census has an Abram Jackson in Mount Holly, Rutland, VT 1790 Census has an Abraham Jackson in Wallingford, Rutland, VT Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Wyocena, Columbia, Wisconsin; Roll: M653_1401; Page: 633; Image: 637. Jacob L Jackson, 29, m, Miller, 800, 200, New York Mary A, 24, f, New York Mary A, 10, f, New York Ida J, 6, f, New York Harlon? W, 3, m, Wisconsin FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 23:24:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I can't find this book online, but it would be worth looking into to see what it says about Abraham: Minnesota County History Name Index about Abraham L Jackson Given Name: Abraham L Surname: Jackson Book: GOODHUE CO. HISTORY Year: 1878 Page Number: 320 History of Goodhue County, Including a Sketch of the Territory and State of MN... (1878) FROM: Joy on DATE-May 31, 2007 23:23:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1890 Veterans Schedules Source Citation: Year: 1890; Census Place: Ortonville, Big Stone, Minnesota; Roll: 23; Page: 1; Enumeration District: 5. 41/41 Abraham L Jackson, sergeant, Co. G, 7 Minn Inf, enlisted: Aug 1862, discharged: 16 Aug 1865, Length of service: 3 years, Post Office Address: Ortonville, Minnesota, no remarks. FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 6:07:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Did you happen to send for his filing for civil war pension, even though he did not received one his file may have his parents names. Mine had the entire bible record Jackson, Abraham G7 Minn. Inf Date of filing 1870 Nov 25 Application number 161 162 Certificate number 296688 Jackson Abraham L. Pvt 39 16 Aug 1862 G SEVENTH New York Wanamingo Goodhue Minn SGT 16/AUG/1865 FROM: don on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:05:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm not sure if this is a connection to Jacob Jackson, but is in the same region. Doesn't help with the link of son to father, but there might be more information to be located at a library or genealogy society in Racine, Wis. C. J. JACKSON, farmer, Sec. 31; P. O. Racine; born in Mt. Pleasant, Oct. 13, 1848; his father, Jacob Jackson, came to Racine in 1840; was a soldier in the War of 1812, and was taken prisoner to Montreal; his wife was born Jan. 3, 1807, and is now living at the old homestead; Mr. Jacob Jackson, after a well-spent and profitable life, died March 1, 1871; Mr. C. J. Jackson married, Nov. 7, 1872, Alice Curtis, of Iowa; have had two children - W.S. born Nov. 13, 1873; Lulu, born June 9, 1878; he has 100 acres of land, under good cultivation; he is much interested in entomology, and has a fine collection of insects. Found on – http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiracin2/biomtpleaalhn.htm FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 4:00:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: If you go to below link for the Minnesota Historial Society http://people.mnhs.org/vgri/Results.cfm?CFID=1013564&CFTOKEN=75797715 You can order a copy and until June 1st you can get a obituary for free. The cost is 8.00 FROM: Betty Bend on DATE-May 31, 2007 3:52:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I found his death and place buried on MHS veterans Graves Registration Jackson, Abraham L. Military Service: Civil War Date of Death: 06/20/1894 County Of Burial: Big Stone FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 30, 2007 23:30:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: (Handwritten on 1875 is really "L".) 1885 Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905 about A L Jackson Name: A L Jackson Census Date: 1 May 1885 County: Big Stone Locality: Ortonville Birth Location: New York Gender: Male Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Race: White Line: 11 Roll: MNSC_21 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-May 30, 2007 23:07:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ancestry.com Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905 about Abraham D Jackson Name: Abraham D Jackson Census Date: 1 May 1875 County: Big Stone Birth Location: New York Gender: Male Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Race: White Father's Birth Location: Vermont Mother's Birth Location: Vermont Line: 35 Roll: MNSC_4 FROM: Joy on DATE-May 28, 2007 7:27:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here is Abraham Jackson on the 1860 and 1870 censuses. On one he is in Missouri, so maybe there is some reason for the death record to eventually be back in Missouri: Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Leon, Goodhue, Minnesota; Roll: M593_5; Page: 255; Image: 3. (note: on this census on ancestry.com there are TWO pages on every image. The Jacksons are on the right page image) 27 June 1870 Jackson, Abraham, 47, m, w, farmer, 1600, 980, New York Jane M, 34, f, w, keeping house, New York Harriet, 18, f, w, at home, Wisconsin Frank, 14, m, w, at home, Wisconsin Estella, 11, f, w, at home, Wisconsin Henry, 7, m, w, at home, Wisconsin Evans?, Maggy, 27, f, w, teaching school, New York Parker, Adison, 32?, m, w, Farmer, New York Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Rochester, Andrew, Missouri; Roll: M653_605; Page: 0; Image: 455. 7 July 1860 Abram Jackson, 37, m, farmer, 1400, 250, NY Emma, 30, f, NY Horris, 10, m, Wis Franklin, 4, m, Wis Estella, 1, f, Wis Byron Vibert, 30, m, laborer, 200, NY George Malhuer, 21, m, laborer, OH James Hawkins, 18, m, laborer, MO W. G. Farris, 31, m, gentleman, 2000, 5000, KY James Arnold, 19, m, gentleman, KY FROM: Pat on DATE-May 25, 2007 4:08:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to make sure this posted o.k. - looks good to me. See you Thursday, May 31! FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-May 25, 2007 4:07:53 GMT-DATE EMAIL: patbauer@pacifier.com MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have lots of visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. OUR BRICKWALL TOPIC FOR THURSDAY EVENING This is from Kay Cooke: "For DAR membership, the relationship between father Jacob Jackson and son, Abraham L. Jackson must be proven. *Jacob Jackson Born: 28 Feb 1787, Mt. Holly Township, Rutland Co, VT Died: 1 Mar 1871, Mt. Pleasant, Racine Co, WI **Abraham L. Jackson Born: 15 Sep 1822, Wyoming Co, NY Died: 20 Jun 1894 (A normally good source says the death location is St.Joseph, Buchanan Co, MO. I believe this to be incorrect as there is absolutely no reason for this location.) We find both Jacob's family and Abraham's family adjacent to each other in the 1850 census for Racine, Wisconsin. In the 1875 and 1880 census for Minnesota, Abraham is documented as being in the Ortonville area of Big Stone Township, Big Stone Co, MN. We know he was a prominent citizen and have some documentation. We cannot find him in the 1860 or 1870 censuses but have a family photo of "the first house on the prairie" dated 1873. We assume it is in MN and perhaps the census takers didn't get out there." Please feel free to come into GenChat anytime and post a query. The visitors love to have a challenge and welcome your "brickwall" problems. If you don't send us something, you'll continue working on our little problems! Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts by clicking below and following the links to the postings. Past transcripts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm