June 25, 2009 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 4:00:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 4:00:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Dry, too FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:59:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like it's about time to call it quits for another week. I'll post the new brickwall tomorrow morning sometime. I'm going to say goodnight now and will grab the transcript and post it. Goodnight all! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:59:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight folks! FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:59:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: maybe i should try CO.. sounds great FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:59:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene the form does not say limited to certain years. FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:58:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: we had May Gray and June Gloom for almost a month.. fog, drizzle,, thought I was in Vancouver.. lol FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:58:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It is nearing the time to sign-off, so I will bow out a little early. Good night to all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:58:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron - upper 80s here in Colorado springs for the last few days and for the next week at least. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:57:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - I think I read that those forms are for more recent records. I'll write that Providence College Archives address when I go offline tonight. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:57:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ron, it has been pleasant the last few days. As we head toward the weekend, it is suspose to move back to the high 80s or low 90s. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:56:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Howdy Ron. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:56:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've been meaning to tell you folks that our friend Susan in Winston-Salem, NC has had her other knee replaced. I haven't heard from her yet since the surgery but am hoping the best for her. She's already been through this type of surgery before so she "knows the ropes" so to speak. She said she wouldn't be on the computer for awhile. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:56:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It says they have divorces from 1749 - 1900 FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:56:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy, Pat, Gene and Jerry too FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:56:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: At this site you can request divorce records: http://www.courts.state.ri.us/records/forms.htm FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:55:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: hi jim,, nice in NoCalif? FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:55:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do you all have my heat?? we haven't hit 85 yet, and the 4th of July is only a week away... usually 95-105 already. FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:54:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: can anyone find info for Amy (Jencks) Buehler who died in Seattle 18 July 1956... looking for cemetery, etc.. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:54:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well hello southern California! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:54:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Ron! Thanks again for your help on the ELDER search in S. Calif. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:53:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Ron. FROM: RonA on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:53:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hey,, a little late,, but howdy FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:53:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I stand corrected. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:52:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I should read more about the Civil War in Madison Co MS, might mention John M. ELDER.... FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:52:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And Jim - Gene learned more about her computer. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:51:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Interesting to find several Black families named ELDER in 1870 in same post office location of Canton MS (but no John M. ELDER): Name: Richard Elder Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Age in 1870: 55 Birthplace: Tennessee Home in 1870: Police District 4, Madison, Mississippi Race: Black Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Canton Household Members: Name Age Richard Elder 55 TN Farm Laborer Mary Elder 40 VA Keeping House Mary Elder 26 MS Farm Laborer Isabella Elder 17 MS Farm Laborer Rasmus Elder 18 MS Farm Laborer Lorina Elder 9 MS Mary Elder 1 MS Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Police District 4, Madison, Mississippi; Roll M593_739; Page: 169; Image: 338. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:51:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat- Your reference is to Arnold.I have that on my NEHGS membership, and it has nothing about this question. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:49:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gee, if nothing else gets solved tonight, Gene learned more about his computer! FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:47:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That did it, Nancy. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:47:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, That leaves my chat window running, so I can see it at the same time. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:46:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I am on a Mac using Firefox. I need to explore how to do it on my machine. I'm sure I can, I just haven't tried to find out how. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:46:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, I use the same browser, just pull down file, choose NEW for new window to search google et. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:45:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry- I have those newspaper items, but I don't think he's the one. Though I don't really know his occupation, I think we concluded the innkeeper was one of the other Philip Mowrys, though I don't remember why. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:44:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, to open a second website application at the same time as having GenChat open, I just click on my IE (Internet Explorer) icon and I am able to go to another website. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:42:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Was he an inn keeper Gene? I see a number of newspaper entries calling on the guard to gather at his inn and some marriages conducted there too. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:41:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That site I just posted apparently requires a membership fee. We're able to open several sites at the same time Gene. Just "minus" the original GenChat to the taskbar, then click on your browser to open another window. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:40:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I should point out that there was more than one Philip Mowry in the area at the time, but I believe the others were younger than the one who married Sally. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:39:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't know, Pat. I'd have to look and I can't run chat room and other sites at the same time. I need a whole bank of computers! But I'll check and see. That was supposed to be Willington. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:37:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Added item of interest from the Barbour Collection of Connecticut records: 29 Jan 1835 Philip Mowry of Scituate, RI, married Rhoda Leonard of Willi8ngton. I can't find anything on her family, either. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:35:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't know if you've seen this one or not Gene: http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/indexinfo.aspx?ix=qcd_0951047< /A> FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:33:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sorry Gene, should have added the Rhode Island to my search, got lazy.... FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:32:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Nancy - we need all the publicity we can get! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:32:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I did download that flyer. I will print out some, too. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:32:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yep, that's Massachusetts. My Scituate is in RI. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:31:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, now I see Mass address! Will have to back up aways! the idea is okay.... FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:31:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - can you print a few of the flyers for our November Seminar and leave them where your neighbors can find them? The flyer is at: http://www.ccgs-wa.org/fall2009.pdf FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:31:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Also Says: Town of Scituate www.town.scituate.ma.us FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:30:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops, another address & phone: Important Announcement The Little Red Schoolhouse will be closed to the public from June 11 until sometime in September. This is due to a major renovation project funded by Community Preservation Funds. When the renovation work is completed the vast collection of photographs, artifacts and documents will be much better protected and will be more available to the public for research. The temporary headquarters of the society will be at the Maritime & Irish Mossing Museum located at 301 Driftway, Scituate . Volunteers will be at that location Monday-Friday from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. You can reach us during the renovations at 781-545-5565. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:30:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Are you sure this is Scituate RI and not Scituate Massachusetts? Scituate RI is not near the shore. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:29:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene - I hope you can find records as interesting as those of my dad and his first wife. Mine consisted of 57 pages and cost about $17.50 and it was well worth it. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:28:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Historical Society: Preserving Scituate's History The Scituate Historical Society is a South Shore leader in local history. For years it has been in the forefront with its innovative and educational programs. Come and explore our 9 dynamic historic sites. Visit our new Maritime & Irish Mossing Museum to discover three centuries of South Shore seafaring heritage. Examine our comprehensive photograph and print archives on early Scituate history, or use our extensive genealogical library on 17th century South Shore families. Browse through our gift areas that contain over 30 titles on Scituate's history, lighthouse and maritime museum tee shirts, tote bags, unique Christmas ornaments, and much more. Finally, if you would like to become part of this endeavor, fill out a membership form today. http://www.scituatehistoricalsociety.org/ FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:26:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ah, I'll have to see if I can get ahold of her. Here is what I found yesterday: Early divorce records were recorded in the supreme court records. Divorce records before 1962 are at: Providence College Archives, Phillips Memorial Library River Avenue and Eaton Street Providence, RI 02918 FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:26:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hope we can have good weather for you this year Jim. We usually expect the start of warm weather about July 5. This year it's been warm way, way too early! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:24:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 'It's sort of like a secret that people don't talk about,'' says Scituate town historian Barbara Sarkesian. ''All the movers and shakers in the community -- the Masons and the Odd Fellows -- were all members of the Klan.'' http://www.projo.com/specials/century/month4/426nw1.htm FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:24:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't know about town historian for Scituate. I did get a college archive address just yesterday and will get a letter off to them pronto. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:24:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, we will be in Clark County again in the middle of August. It will be at least two years before I am in a position to permanently move. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:22:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, Maybe a town historian would have some paper trails? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:21:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That was Vital Records of Scituate Massachusetts to 1850 Book II, part 2 http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/scituate/partII2.html#HILLAND FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:20:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That was FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:20:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sarah's brother left her an annuity, but she died before he did. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:19:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have some files from the HYLAND searches: [page 149] SCITUATE MARRIAGES HILAND, John [int. Hyland "for maney years Past Resided, in the Town of Marshfield"], and [int. adds Mrs.] Deborah Sherman [int. Shermen] of Marshfield [int. Mershfield], Feb. 21, 1788, in Marshfield. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:19:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The Mowry forum had nothing, and I may have left a query on it. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:17:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I know - we were there a few years ago. It is a beautiful part of the state. We found Sarah's grave, and her mother's, and many other relatives. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:17:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll be posting a new brick wall tomorrow morning early - at least I hope it will be early. I have a 7:30 dental appt. and will try to get it done before I leave for that. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:17:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, I always hope for a small clue in some court case or land deal, so it's probably worth the trouble to find the papers. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:15:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jan 22, 2009 4:15:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was puzzling about names of Scituate, RI, found at http://www.scituateri.org Scituate is located approximately ten miles west of Providence, R.I. in Providence County and encompasses 52 square miles. Once considered the "hinterlands" of the state, today Scituate offers both suburban amenities and a rural atmosphere of unspoiled forests, ponds and the pristine Scituate Reservoir, which provides most of the water to the rest of the state. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:15:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes, but I do Google searches over and over - the other just a few days ago. I have found newspaper notices for him, but all about Guard meetings, etc. The World Connect stuff was useless, and is too often incorrect. The court case my cousin was to send for, but it is a property case. I don't think she has sent yet. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:15:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Jim - Are you coming north in August again this year for your vacation? How many years now until you permanently move up here? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:13:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:12:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Chat page has several references: FROM: Gene on DATE-Jan 22, 2009 4:14:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There is a court case involving Sarah and Philip, but we haven't sent for it yet. Could be a divorce? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jan 22, 2009 4:14:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, Sometimes a reference in another family will give up a clue.... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jan 22, 2009 4:12:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Searching for Asaph WILDER (has 25 entries in WorldConnect - This one by Betty Franklin e-mail..... at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2566279&i d=I2296 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:12:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, It's amazing how many databases are added to genwebs and also the surname boards. Sometimes Google.com can find new print sources, too. Newspapers are being scanned into digital formats all over the country, it's wonderful! FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:11:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: So, Nancy, have I asked this before? FROM: Jim on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:11:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening. I had some problems earlier getting into this site, but hopefully my connection is working again. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:11:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Arnold covers the newspaper notices of births, marriages, and deaths, but I'm not sure whether he evr mentions any divorces. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:11:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: How about GenForum? You can post something under the surname and also under the locality. Take a look at: http://www.genforum.genealogy.com/ FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:10:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, Now I see that I have a file for MOWRY and a CCGS webpage for Chat... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~waccgs/1-22-09.txt FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:09:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think you should see if there is a newspaper available on microfilm for that era. They usually printed legal notices and sometimes short things that said, "I will not be responsible for, etc." And sometimes those little posting would tell why he was divorcing her. Maybe you can call the main library in Vancouver to see if they can borrow the film for you - IF it's available. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:08:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My cousin and I have tried just about any and every avenue we can think of. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:07:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gene, Now I'm reading your query. Have you tried the genweb postings? FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:07:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Was she what they used to refer to as a "grass widow?" Which I presume meant a divorced woman. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:06:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Interesting to find several Black families named ELDER in 1870 in same post office location of Canton MS (but no John M. ELDER): Name: Richard Elder Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Age in 1870: 55 Birthplace: Tennessee Home in 1870: Police District 4, Madison, Mississippi Race: Black Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Canton Household Members: Name Age Richard Elder 55 Mary Elder 40 Mary Elder 26 Isabella Elder 17 Rasmus Elder 18 Lorina Elder 9 Mary Elder 1 Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Police District 4, Madison, Mississippi; Roll M593_739; Page: 169; Image: 338. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:06:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The third wife of Jess Shelton (he married her in 1929) remarried in 1939 so there was a divorce in there sometime. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:05:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Not to change the subject, but I have a problem - In 1814, Philip Mowry of Scituate RI and Sarah (Sally) Wilder married. A land transaction in 1828 refers to her as a single woman, late the wife of Philip Mowry. Philip is still alive in 1840 when his father's estate is settled. Does anyone know where I might find RI divorces between 1814 and 1828? They both signed a deed in 1821, so they may have divorced after that. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 3:00:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, That one sure deserves more discoveries! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:59:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did a "show and tell" with the material Joy found for me about my mom's first husband, Jess Shelton, and my dad's stormy divorce from his first wife, Therese Nord. I put the info into notebooks and called the one, "The Many Wives of Jess Shelton" and the other, "The 1930 Saga of the Battleground at Battle Ground, Washington." I named the one about Jess Shelton because I've discovered two previously unknown marriages for him. He lied about his age for the first two marriages. He said he was 21 when he married the first woman - he was 17. Then he married my mom two years later and said he was 21 when he was still 19. There might be more marriages and, even if I'm not related to him, I'm still going to research his past! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:59:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: He really was rich! I'm supposed to find out when he died. No wife and children found in 1850 or 1860 census. In 1860 he had 144 slaves and 145,000 in real estate! K. Divine bought from John M. Elder ... containing nine hundred and thirty eight acres it being the east half of the SE quarter of Section ninety-two and the SW quarter of Section ninety-three in Township ten Range four & the west half of NW quarter of section four in Township nine all in Range four east valued ninety-three hundred and eighty-five dollars." ***** Ancestry.com - Madison Co MS Slave census 1850 - John M. ELDER (2 pages - 107 entries) Slave census 1860 - John M. ELDER (2 pages - 144 entries) **** 1860 Census Name: Jno Martin Elder Age in 1860: 79 Birth Year: abt 1781 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1860: Madison, Mississippi Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Canton Household Members: Name Age Jno Martin Elder 79 Ireland - Planter Real Estate 145,000 Personal 135,000 Jno H Stone 55 NC Overseer Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: , Madison, Mississippi; Roll M653_586; Page: 0; Image: 470. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:55:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I should report that a discovery was made about our Ulster Ireland and "PAXTANG PA" connections. (Different DNA than mine, but more famous in PA...) A new Mississippi connection: at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/ BallymoneyData.htm Posting on my Ballymoney, Co Antrim, Northern Ireland notes: at Ray Elder of Ireland wrote (6/23/2009) >"In a congregation history book (extract supplied by Rev. Lindsay Blair of Faughanvale Presbyterian Church), Rev. James Elder wrote to comfort his daughter Jane Maria Moore (Nee Elder) as she lay sick in Muff (now Eglinton) in 1835. "I hope", he writes, " you have profited spiritually by your affliction..." >The congregation book also states that Jane Maria Moore stood to inherit a substantial property following the death of her brother, a Mississippi planter. She refused the inheritance because of her conscientious objection to slavery." "PAXTANG" connections to Mississippi - Researched with the "Catholic ELDER" group of MD, KY, AR at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/ OwenLeroyElder.htm Mississippi census 1830 John M. ELDER, Madison Co MS Males: 30-40=1 No females 1840 John M. ELDER, Madison Co MS Males: 20-30=1 40-50=1 60-70=1 No females Overseer James Hays is 30 in 1850, would be 20-30 in 1840. Other workers may be there in 1840. Madison Co MS - Genweb - census for 1850 http://theusgenweb.org/ms/madison/1850census/cene.htm John Martin Elder - 769-784 - Page 181B enumerated on Saturday, December 23, 1850. Surnames in household: ELDER (no wife or children) John Martin Elder, 60 M, Planter $30,000, IRE - James Hays 30 TN (Overseer) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:42:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This WorldConnect entry has a UK address: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=philb y&id=I157 by PhilBorman@tiscali.co.uk FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:40:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: LEAK search: WorldConnect has some entries: This one by Diana at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=netla nd&id=P3306224437 # ID: P3306224437 # Birth: 1789 in , Lincolnshire, , England # Death: 1880 # Name: Christopher LEAK # Sex: M 1 Marriage 1 Mary WOODS b: 15 Sep 1795 in Donington, Lincolnshire, , England Children 1. Rachel LEAK b: 4 May 1824 in Boston, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA 2. John LEAK b: 20 Nov 1825 in , , , England 3. Charlotte LEAK b: 1828 in , , , England 4. Elijah LEAK b: 17 Sep 1829 in donington, Lincolnshire, , England 5. David LEAK b: 17 Jun 1831 in England 6. Thomas LEAK b: 17 Apr 1833 in England 7. James LEAK b: Apr 1835 in Linchonshire, England 8. Rebecca LEAK b: 1839 in Yorkshire,England Sources 1. Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=783717&pi d=-988742859 FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:38:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I haven't talked with Joy this week. Maybe she's busy or even out of town. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:35:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Did Joy say if she was logging in tonight? I wonder if she will post more about Leake and Henifin? FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:34:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And hi to the rest of you, too. FROM: Gene on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:33:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy - I was just running through to see what has been discussed so far. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:33:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Right nancy - we knew we would find a link someday! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:30:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Gene! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:30:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, So somewhere around the Louis TREMBLAY and in Baie St. Paul, our lines should cross with a "common ancestor"... FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:30:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Gene - nice to see you this evening. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:30:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Gene. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:29:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Not so well researched: 1. Giles Du Tremblay 2. Gervais Du Tremblay, d abt 1487 + Inc Inconnue 3. Jacques Tremblay, d 1554 + Inc Inconnue 4. Gallien Tremblay + Inc Inconnue 5. Louis Tremblay, d. before 1623 + Nicole N. 6. Philibert Tremblay, b. abt 1603, d 17 NOV 1642 Randonnai, Orne, Basse Normandie, FRA + 3 Oct 1623 Marriage to Jeanne COIGNET, Normandel, Orne, Basse Normandie, FRA FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:29:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Great! I see that this webpage has the Pierre Tremblay monument photo. Somewhere I have the description, too. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:28:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 7. Pierre Tremblay, Birth: 1626, Randonnai, Orne, Basse Normandie, FRA. Death: ABT 1688, L'Ange-Gardien, La Côte-de-Beaupré, QC, CAN. 1657 2 Oct Marriage to Ozanne ACHON Québec, Cap.-Nat., QC, CAN 8. Pierre II Tremblay, B: 12 AUG 1660 Québec, Cap.-Nat., QC, CAN, D: 17 OCT 1736, Petite-Riv.-St-Fr., Charlevoix, QC, CAN 1683. 3 Nov Age: 23 Marriage to Marie Madeleine SIMARD, Ste-Anne-de-Beau., La Côte-de-Beaupré, QC, CAN 9. Jean Tremblay, B: 22 MAR 1701, Baie St-Paul, Charlevoix, QC, CAN. D: 30 AUG 1783, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN. 1726. 21 Apr Age: 25 M to Catherine DELAVOYE, Baie St-Paul, Charlevoix, QC, CAN 10 Alexis Tremblay, b: 29 JAN 1737, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN. d: 28 NOV 1780 Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN. 1760 30 Sep Marriage to Marie-Josephte GONTHIER, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN 11. Michel Abraham Tremblay, B: 13 JAN 1769, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN. 1796. 2 Feb Marriage to Madeleine BOIVIN, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN 12. François Tremblay, B: 6 NOV 1800, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN. 1823, 15 Jul Marriage to Félicité GAGNON, Les Éboulements, Charlevoix, QC, CAN 13. Magloire Tremblay, B: ABT 1831. 1855 17 Apr Marriage to Séraphine LAVOIE, St-Urbain, Charlevoix, QC, CAN 14. Elzéar Tremblay, B: ABT 1862. 1882 18 Apr Marriage to Délima HÉBERT, St-Prime, Le Dom.-du-Roy, QC, CAN 15 Lena Mary Tremblay, B: Vancouver, WA, 1898 FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:28:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I went to school in Vancouver with Jack Trombley - probably just another way to spell the name. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:26:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I have seen that. I have been able to trace my Trambleys to Pierre in the Catholic Church records on Ancestry. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:24:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oh yes, you should see what they did to the Ryff name from Switzerland. At last they kind of kept it pronounced the same - like Reef but the various spellings are so varied, it's strange. Even in the same families, the brothers spelled the names differently. Ryff and Reyff in the same family and it continued that way throughout the years. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:24:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's a webpage with more info on TREMBLAY, too. I hadn't seen it before. at http://webspace.ccsisp.com/siberian/gen/tremblay.shtml The Tremblay name originates in France in the Normandy region. The earliest known Tremblay is Bernard de Tremblay who died in 1155. Next we find records in 1167 of a Guillaume de Tremblay who made a gift of a vast domain of land to the Trappist monastery. Then we skip to Gervais du Tremblay, a blacksmith, who built a forge on lands adjoining the Trappist monastery in Tourouvre, Perche, France. His descendants continued in this occupation in some line for several generations. One Tremblay of distinction is Father Joseph Tremblay, a man of great influence in the Richelieu administration in the early 1600's.. He was known as the confidant and lifelong associate of one of France's greatest statesman (Quarterly Review, April 1896). The forefather of Tremblay's in the New World was Pierre Tremblay. He was born at Saint-Malo de Randonnai about 1626. He came to Canada in August 1647. We are the largest family in North America that can trace their ancestry to one man. He married Ozanne Achon, a "Fille de Roi":The Filles du roi were part of King Louis XIV's program to promote the settlement of his colony in Canada. They arrived in the young colony of New France (Canada) between 1663 and 1673, under the financial sponsorship of King Louis XIV of France. Most were single French women and many were orphans. .." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:22:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have BRUNO and LOUIS TROMBLEY/TREMBLAY who were living in NY state, just over the border from Quebec, and many lived along the St. Lawrence River. They used the waterways to travel to Michigan, etc. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:22:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Add some French, northeast and mid-west accent to that Pat and things get messy. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:20:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I guess this project is going to keep you busy for quite a while Jerry. Lots of census records to examine! Surely many of the changes in spelling were because of the vowel pronounciation. The A, E, I, O & U are Ah, A, E, O & OOOh in other countries. Thus the difference in spelling when the names were spelled the way they sounded. The sound depended on who was saying it! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:19:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, It looks to me like they may be distantly, if you mean how far away their parents must be. We know that your Trambley family came directly from Quebec, so that's where the parents are named TREMBLAY and are related to my TROMBLEY of Michigan. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:17:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What I would like to know is are all the Tremblays (and other spelling) in the Vancouver/Portland area closely or distantly related? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:15:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That was Posted by Dick Eastman on May 19, 2009 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:15:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Roots Television videotaped our conversation and has now made it available online. If you would like to learn more about the services of Library and Archives Canada, take a look at: http://www.rootstelevision.com/index.html?bcpid=7225568001&bcli d=240119644&bctid=22640287001. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:14:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Eastman Article says: >" I recently had an opportunity to speak with Sylvie Tremblay, manager of the Canadian Genealogy Centre at Library and Archives Canada. She is a well-known expert on all things related to Canadian genealogy. She described the many services of Library and Archives Canada, including services available both in person and remotely. The online records include World War I service records, census records, and a growing number of immigration records. Sylvie also describes the method of researching French-Canadian genealogy, even for those of us who do not speak, read, or write the language. Sylvie is also the genealogist for the Tremblay Family Association, a name that is very common in Canada. Sylvie estimates that there are 150,000 people named Tremblay in North America. ..." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:13:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Eastman's Blog has an article about Sylvie TREMBLAY, the editor, who writes in French and English. at Sylvie Tremblay: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/05/video-interview-sylvie-tremb lay-of-library-and-archives-canada.html FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:11:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, I agree! I subscribed for a few years to the TREMBLAY newsletter printed in Canada. Mostly in French, but some good English sections. Lots of variations on TREMBLAY found there, but most were cited in the U.S. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:09:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have started a data base of Trambley and all the variants for Vancouver and Portland area to try to make some sense of them all. They are all related at some time in the past. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:08:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see a posting on the Hanifin board by BandBet...so they've been there. at http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hanifin/15.1.1.1.1.1.4/mb.ash x Re: Hanifin/Henifin New bandbethenifin1 (View posts) Posted: 24 Feb 2004 5:47PM Classification: Query Surnames: Any information on Calvin E. Henifin, the only information we have was he was born in New York around 1830-1832. His folks may have come from Ireland to The United states FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:07:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We've occasionally had some really stupid entries in our guestbook which I've deleted when they were found. Some people apparently have just too much time on their hands. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:06:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night Marge FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:06:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Marge! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:06:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hadn't thought of Hanifin. Actually, the Hen and the Han might both be pronounced like Hain - using the vowel pronounciation in Ireland. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:05:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 'WAY above MY head, for sure... now must get to my chores here at HumHo... thanks for the info... see ya next time... FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:04:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I can give the password to anyone I choose and they can then be the administrator. I don't know if there can be more than one at a time or not. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:03:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The program has a couple of bugs in it. It happened when it was transferred from our old location on Pacifier.com to the present one on TLC Web Enterprises. The company originating the program was no longer in business and the TLC administrator installed the program for us. It works o.k. but there are a couple of things I'm hoping can eventually be fixed. For one thing, we're supposed to be able to have up to 20 chat areas. We only have the one now. With more than one you must use a password for each one. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:02:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Another Board has spelling variation at Hanifin: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hanifin/42/mb.ashx hanifin of ballyferriter, dingle, kerry, ireland New maryogarvey1 (View posts) Posted: 14 Aug 2007 3:55PM Classification: Query Surnames: I extracted these names from a larger spreadsheet I have of Dingle names 1800s. IF anyone would like it please write maryogarvey@yahoo.com Patt Hanifin Ballywiheen, Marhin parish Patt Owen Hanifin Farranlateeve, Dunurlin parish Danl Hanifin Caherquin, Dunurlin parish Danl Hanifin Cloonties, Dunurlin parish Ellen Hanifin Gortadoo, Dunurlin parish John Hanifin Glanlick, Dunquin parish John Hanifin Vicarstown, Dunquin parish John Hanifin Caherquin, Dunurlin parish John Hanifin Farranlateeve, Dunurlin parish Jude Hanifin Ballycurrane, Kilquane parish Maurice Hanifin Ballinglanna, Dunquin parish Maurice Hanifin Cloonties, Dunurlin parish Michl Hanifin Ballinloghig, Kilquane parish Timothy Hanifin Cloonties, Dunurlin parish Widow Hanifin Ballyoughteragh, Dunurlin parish William Hanifin Lateeve Beg, Kilmalkedar parish FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:02:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, are you empowered to name other admins? FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 2:01:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Marge - I'm called "administrator" here. The program named me, I didn't have any choice. I'm the one who can do the transcripts, post the welcoming notices, etc. I must use a password to sign on as administrator. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:59:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Personally, I like the one that CCGS uses - it's pretty easy to figure out (almost ninny-proof) FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:58:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: So Bud & Bettie were CCGS members. I thought I had seen his name before but I didn't consider that they might have been members. I thought they were possibly customers of mine from long ago at the Post Office! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:58:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I found a Henifin Board with 2 entries at http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.henifin/1.1/mb.ashx Re: relatives from the henifin's New Lawrence D. Henifin (View posts) Posted: 17 Jul 2004 11:40PM Classification: Query Surnames: Chaffin, Buckingham, Stillwell, Nelson, Robb Calvin E. Henifin married Malinda Rose Chaffin on 8/22/1853 in Watertown, Jefferson County, New York. Eight Children: Marietta Lucietta (6/22/1853), Emma L. (~1857), Perces M. (2/5/1859), Calvin Harley (~1861), Horace Homer (4/7/1864), Hattie Clorinda (5/7/1867), twin William H. (5/7/1867), and James Bird (~1873). They settled in Hardin County, Iowa. All children except Marietta (N.Y.) were born in Iowa. My Great Grandfather, Horace, settled near Holt County, Nebraska. Calvin Harley Henifin married Annie Maria Buckingham (born in Iowa County, Wisconsin) (7/24/1856 - 12/5/1929), and died ~1938 in Austin, Minnesota. Four children: Lisle (male) (2/11/1896), Maurice Curtis (6/22/1882) (spouse: Beaulah Stillwell), Merle (female) (9/5/1898) (spouse: Martin Nelson), and Mable (spouse: Selby Robb). I hope some of this helps. Good luck, Larry. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:58:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: As I told my friend Dave, there are a gaZILLION different chat app options out there... and all of 'em are different! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:57:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:55:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: With this program you can require a password if you want, then don't give it to certain unwanted people. I think there is a way to block certain people but I can't find it right now. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:55:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see a Bettie Henifin with e-mail listed in the 2002 CCGS newsletter BandBetHenifin@cs.com FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:54:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Jerry. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:54:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ooops! Hi, Jerry! FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:54:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It appears that the only way one can be given "moderator" or "opp" status is to use a "real" chat client FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:54:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi All FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:53:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The channel can be entered either from the web site OR directly using mIRC or another chat client FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:52:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A friend who "owns" a chat channel is shopping around for a web based chat room access FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:51:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Perhaps "moderator" is a b etter word FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:51:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Marge, It's rather amazing that we haven't had any of those! This week someone logged into the ELDER Family Research Bulletin Board, using registration as yyyydddd. With a crazy e-mail address. Seems like a lot of work for them to do that, just to be rude. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:50:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I do believe we can block certain people from coming in. I'll do some looking and be right back. Of course their messages can be deleted from the transcript before posting. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:50:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I didn't think we had anything on Bud's surname before - it's Henifin. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:49:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I see that's the fall seminar about e-mail and the net. Should be fun! Guess the pages only show up with .jpg files. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:49:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, it's an individual or individuals who are empowered to kick someone out of the channel if that person is being Rude, Crude and Socially Unattractive FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:48:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What are "opps?" FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:47:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What techie-type question do you have Marge? FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:47:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was hoping the flyer for our fall seminar would show up but you can go to it with the link. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:46:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy - I'm going to try to post a file but it probably won't work. If not, you can go to the web page to see it. http://www.ccgs-wa.org/fall2009.pdf FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:46:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have a techie-type question... does this chat app permit "opps"? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:46:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I didn't try anything on the brick wall this week. Not feeling very sharp today, either. I thought I remembered something about Henefin name before. FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:45:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi, Nancy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:45:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:43:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Steve said: On Bud's brick wall ... Lincolnshire doesn't have a lot of data online in the way of birth-marriage-death records, and nearly all the census records at the U.K. National Archives have been outsourced to Ancestry. Am I the only one who finds this public-private exclusivity arrangement (corporate takeover of access to public records) to not be in the best interests of the public? FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:43:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Okie-dokie FROM: MissMarge-SIGS on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:43:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 25, 2009 1:42:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Marge - nice to see you this evening. I was hoping some things would be entered by now but I think we had some gremlins at work this week. I did get one note from Steve which I'll enter. He might not be able to be here tonight. Be right back. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jun 24, 2009 15:48:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking on this! It had disappeared so here it is again. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Jun 24, 2009 15:47:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL PROJECT: Eugene Bud Henifin had a query in the CCGS guestbook and we'll post it here to see if our GenChatters can help him. LEAK: He is looking for his wife Bettie's ggg grandparents. This is what he has: Betties parents: Robert J Leak 7-17-1891 Claremount, Broun South Dakota Wife Hilda Olson Leak 9-4-1896 Fountain Minnesota (He has all the family members here.) Bettie's Grandparents: Maurice J Leak 4-25-1859 Garbotsville New York Wife Ella Vickory New York Children--Lena--Nina--Jenny--Robert J Bettie's Great Grandparents: James Leak b 1835 Lincoolnshire England Wife Elizabeth Johnson 1837 Children--Maurice 1859---Arminda 1860--Harriet 1868 Bettie's Great Great Grandparents: Christopher Leak b. 1789 Lincolnshire England Wife Mary Woods 1795 England Children-Rachael 1824--John 1825--Charolette 1828--Elijah 1829-- David 1831--Thomas 1833-0-James 1836--Rebecca 1839 Issac 1842--Mary 1844 We understand they originate in Lincolnshire England and the name Christopher was a very, very common name We hit a dead end trying to locate Christopher's parents HENIFIN: And now for the Henifin family: Eugene's parents: Ralph Curtis Henifin 3-19-1903 Austin Minnesota Wife Gardia Solvieg Peterson 6-3-1904 Christansand Norway His Grandparents: Maurice Curtis Henifin 6-22-1892 Franklin Cou nty Iowa Wife Beaulah Stilwell 11-4-1883 Spirit Lake Iowa His great grandparents: Calvin Harley Henifin 4-4-1861 Hardin County Iowa Wife Annie Buckingham Henifin 7-24-1856 Iowa County Iowa Children Maurice 6-22-1882 Lisle 2-11-1896 Merle Henifin Nelson 9-5-1898 Mable Henifin Robb 12-16-Unkn His Great Great Grandparents: Calvin E. Henifin 7-9-1831 New York State Wife Melinda Rose Chaffin Henifin 4-24-1837 York Township Sandusky County Ohio Children Calvin Harley 4-4-1861 Marietta Lucietta 6-22-1853 Emma L 1857 Precis M 2-5-1859 Horace Homer 5-7-1867 James Bird 1873 Hattie Clarinda 5-7-1867 His Great Great Great Grandparents: Marrison Henifin 1796 Wife Julia 1801 Children Calvin E 7-9-1831 The story is we came from Ireland apparently from County Kerry Ireland That's about all I know and this is where we hit the road block." Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts with the link below: Past transcripts: www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm