July 23, 2009 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:59:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: nite all I won't see you next week, neighborhood meeting the last Thursday of the month FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:59:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I bet Nancy. Good night! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:59:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight all! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:58:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I was very happy to find all those Ballymoney entries! FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:58:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like we're getting close to the time for closing tonight. I hope everyone will join us again next week. I'm going to say goodnight for another week and will grab the transcript now and post it. Goodnight all and thanks for a good chat! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:56:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I haven't looked for thoses Stewarts for a while. I probably sould look again. There may be new on-line records that I have not looked at. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:55:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ours is just quarterly, but the September one will be late, after the WSGS conference here in Spokane in September FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:53:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles, we will be having information about your project in our September Newsletter. We don't publish in July or August. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:52:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Home webpage by Charles L. Perrin http://sneakers.pair.com/roots/index.html FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:51:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It's a interesting webpage, anyway: at http://sneakers.pair.com/roots/b150.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:51:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: On the same page, I've found some answers to queries for Baltimore DORSEY and STIMSON - connected.... Comfort STIMSON was born in 1686. She died in 1747 in Baltimore County, Maryland. Spouse: John DORSEY. John DORSEY and Comfort STIMSON were married on 22 Aug 1702. Children were: Sarah DORSEY, Venetia DORSEY, Greenberry DORSEY, Joshua DORSEY, Vincent DORSEY, Sarah DORSEY, Venetia DORSEY, John Hammond DORSEY. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:50:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hope so, a lot of work went into doing them so we need to keep them up and working FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:49:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles, It's good to have lots of users trying out the resources. I'll picture them using it in Salt Lake City, too! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:48:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Always fun to look for Stewart Lady Jane STEWART (Duchess of Marlborough) was born about 1798 in England. She died on 12 Oct 1844 in England. Parents: George STEWART. Spouse: George Spencer CHURCHILL (6th Duke of Marlborough). George Spencer CHURCHILL (6th Duke of Marlborough) and Lady Jane STEWART (Duchess of Marlborough) were married about 1821 in Milan. Children were: John Winston Spencer CHURCHILL (7th Duke of Marlborough). FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:47:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy I just update the file when I am notified of any URL or address changes FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:45:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles, How did you handle the problems of Internet changes of URL and references? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:45:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I am pretty sure it is the same one as the address is the same as his death notice and the son is Frank S. My ggrandfather was Frank Smith Stewart. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:44:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Seems to be more important to the STUART/ STEWART guys in Scotland and England to spell it their way. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:43:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Lots of STUART/STEWART folks ran around PA and MD together with ELDER, I'm sure. We have Rev. War David ELDER married Margery STUART, buried in Franklin Co PA. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:43:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My fingers are not cooperating tonght. That should be eXcept. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:42:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: All of the records ezcept one newspaper entry list him as Stewart. The death notice for his widow has it as Stuart. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:40:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: He was born about 1834 as he was 36 when he died. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:39:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oops - yes 1870 FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:38:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A few years ago I helped with the Washington State Resource Guide for the LDS, and they have added some of my suggestions in that guide FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:38:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Is that 1870? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:37:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - the oldest Stuart I have now is John Stuart/Stewart b. Ireland died Baltimore 26 March 1970. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:37:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well Bonnie MacDonald is working on it, and she wants to update Pierce County when she is done FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:36:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: At least you won't be bored with life Charles and it will help so many people. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:36:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: King county is a big undertaking! That will probably be a big relief when you're finished. I do want to look again at the list at the very end of the Clark County posting because I can give you some dates, etc. to make it more complete. Just haven't had time yet. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:35:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: all the committee chairmen are on the board also FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:35:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I ended up on the WSGS board also FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:33:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Well I took it over a little over a year ago, and have managed to get about 7 or 8 counties online that were not online before, still have 6 to go, but King county is in the works FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:31:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles - sounds like you've been a busy fellow! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:31:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Then we found STEWART in same location as ELDER in NC. The following are excerpts from MY STEWART AND OTHER KIN OF IREDELL COUNTY, N. C. by Jeanette H. Kelly. "In Iredell County, North Carolina, there is a high flat ridge between Fourth Creek and Morrison Creek just north of Statesville, North Carolina. William Sharpe's Map of the Old Fourth Creek Congregation,drawn in 1773, shows several families whose homes were located on the two creeks along the trail leading from William Morrison's Mill onThird Creek to Fort Dobbs. Among these Scotch-Irish Presbyterian families lived John Stewart, usually identified as John Stewart of Fourth Creek. S. W. Stevenson included ...story in the History of Concord Church written around the turn of the century...." MAPQUEST MAP showing Eufola, Iredell Co NC... FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:31:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles - what can you tell me about this? Tuesday's Tip: Washington State Genealogical Resource Guides Do you have Washington State ancestors or distant relatives that you are researching? Well, you're in luck, because the Washington State Genealogical Society is producing the free! online! Washington State Genealogical Resource Guides to help researchers find the resources they need in nearly every county in Washington . This ongoing project was started by Kathleen Allen O'Connor of Gonzaga University ( Spokane ) and has been taken over by my fellow EWGS blog team member *Charles Hansen, and currently has guides for 34 out of 39 counties. * FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:30:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles! FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:30:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat, Nancy and Jerry FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:29:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, We're having fun finding lots of STUART/STEWART names, for example in Ballymoney. In Ballymoney Heritage database, we found 109 ELDER entries + STEWART (624 entries) + STUART (184 entries) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/ BallymoneyData.htm FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:29:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:29:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles - glad you could join us this evening. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:29:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That can't be good Pat. Do they irrigate the lawn there? If they are over watering that could add to the problem. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:29:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: All this DNA testing is certainly bringing out a lot of "hanky-panky" from years past. ;-) And those ancestors thought their love life would always be secret. Amazing, isn't it? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:27:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My mom's dad was a Stuart. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:26:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Very suspicious, anyway! FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:26:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've been trying to have the association put in French Drains in the yard on the north for several years. I recently sent them another letter. Right now the ground there is dry but always before (summer, winter, always) the lawn is like a swamp and you sink a couple of inches in it when walking through the yard. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:25:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: One of our researchers thought that ELDERSLIE HOUSE in Glasgow was owned by ELDER families. But a castle there was owned by STUART, and one of our PAXTANG PA ELDER guys matches a STUART in 66/67 markers! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:25:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That will be a tough one to decipher Nancy. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:24:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We haven't found the adoption connections. Total mystery! Sometimes I speculate on the way Scots took over someone's castle, and just changed their name to the same family as owned the castle! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:23:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - that is certainly a lot of moisture. Sounds like you have a drainage problem. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:22:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is that from ann adoption Nancy? Or something else. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:21:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, It's amazing how many "other surnames" we have matching now! One of our participants, not matching my brother, has ONLY "other surname" matches, and at 67 markers, very closely! FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:20:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Jerry. We've had problems because of the soil on the north side of our condo. It's a daylight basement but only from two sides. The one side is buried in dirt and the water collects there. My asthma flared up this year because of our weird weather all spring. I traced it to the high humidity down here. This dehumidifier is costing about $1 a day to run but it's taking two gallons of water out of the air day after day. We've had it for four weeks now. That's a lot of water down the drain! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:19:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: But I've also researched the family of David ELDER and John ELDER, shipbuilders of Glasgow, and they didn't have any children at all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:19:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I am always hoping that I will match someone in the DNA database and break down my Thompson brickwall. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:18:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I did find a relative of his who posted some info: Worldconnect by Paul IHMS http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:742914&id=I 34305989 # ID: I34305989 # Name: Daniel ELDER # Sex: M # Occupation: Shipbuilder Father: David ELDER b: in Kinross Marriage 1 Mary REED Children 1. Nathaniel ELDER b: in Scotland? *** # ID: I34304683 # Name: Joseph Dickey ELDER # Sex: M # Birth: 1838 in Ireland or Scotland?/Ireland # Death: in Culmore, N Ireland 1 # Occupation: Carpenter 1 # Note: Address: Culmore N Ireland [Elder2.FTW] Named after the Reverand Joseph Dickey of the Rasharkin Church - first boy baptised in the 2nd Kilrea Church. Supposedly born in Scotland and moved to N Ireland later. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:17:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My husband is the same way Jerry - he likes to read what I find but won't do any of the prior reading for me! But he reads all day long and it would be a lot of help if he would just read MY stuff for a change! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:17:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That would be fantastic Nancy FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:16:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's Ballymoney, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:15:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The human body is comfortable when relative humidity ranges between 20 and 60 percent. In your home, an average relative humidity of 35 to 40 percent is appropriate when the outside temperature is 20°F or above. However, during cold weather, higher humidity ranges may cause structural damage because of condensation on windows and on the inside of exterior walls. As outdoor temperatures fall, condensation problems inside may develop. http://www.blueflame.org/datasheets/humidity.html FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:15:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I'm hoping that one of the ELDER DNA participants who lives in Wisconsin will have time to send me copies of documents. He matches my brother and lists some ancestor's names in Ballymoney. I would love to document that! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:13:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: To bad too Pat. He is retired and could spend a lot more time on it than I can. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:13:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Does anyone know what degree of humidity is best for a home? I know we had too much moisture in our basement and the dehumidifier has been removing about two gallons of water day after day from the air. It's about 64 when I start it in the morning and is now down to 52 tonight. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:13:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - they have been cool and rainy. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:12:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: He is interested in what I am doing, bt has no interest in doing any himself. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:11:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, How's Wisconsin temperature? FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:11:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is your brother interested at all in genealogy? I'm trying to get a granddaughter interested in it - hope I'm successful eventually. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:09:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have had company all week, so haven't had a chance to do any genealogy. My brother and his wife have been visiting from Wisconsin. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 3:09:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sorry I had to be gone for a bit. I'm washing clothes tonight and the dryer "called" me! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:56:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I agree with you Pat. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:50:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Maybe it was just that generation. My dad (born in 1898) also wanted his b'day celebrated on March 17 each & every year. With mine, I don't expect any celebration, neither does my husband. It's just another day! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:48:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That is great Pat. You will always have something to do! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:48:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, It will probably call to you, maybe something yummy lurks there... FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:47:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The file cabinet is in my basement computer room closet. I still have a few more things to put into their drawers but it's almost all put away. Then (eventually) I'll have to go through everything, one folder at a time. Not looking forward to it! Our son stopped by last weekend and brought the cabinet down to the basement and the remaining two drawers. What a chore! It's legal size so it will be really useful for many of my longer documents. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:46:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Guess all our ELDER family members are just as ornery, so we do whatever is the majority rule! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:45:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Night Jim FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:45:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Gnight Jim! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:44:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, At Turner Christian Retirement near Salem. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:44:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I going to sign-off. Good night to all and stay cool (if possible). FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:43:24 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - have you moves all your new documents into the house yet? FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:42:23 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - where is your mom living now? FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:41:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There's no hurry on that Jim. It's a fantastic job that you've been doing and has saved me so much work and time. Actually, most of it wouldn't be getting done if it wasn't for you! Great job! FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:41:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My step mom died at 99 and she always expected her b'day to be celebrated on the exact date. Having something each year on New Year's Eve wasn't exactly a whole bunch of fun for anyone! FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:40:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, I still have one more cemetery obit task to take care of. It is the consolidation of the changes to the burial list for Old City Cemetery and its index. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:36:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My sister should probably take her over to their house in Newport for the week! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:35:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Birthdate is July 29, but we've invited working family to the Quay for Saturday, over her objections, so someone will have to make it up on the 29th, too! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:33:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: She's very ornery! Has lots of trouble but keeps everyone busy. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:33:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - what day is her birthday? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:33:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I remember when we posted a big .jpg it seems to block the first part of the session. But we didn't do that today. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:32:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's great Nancy. You're so fortunate to have your dear mom with you for so long. How is her health? FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:31:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's weird - mine goes down to the start. Wonder why some people can't see all of the postings? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:31:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, 94 FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:29:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Same as mine Jim FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:28:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see that the visible transcript tonight does not go all the way back to the beginning. It starts at 7: 06 PM. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:28:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - how old will your mom be this year? FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:27:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim - when I was your age, we didn't have it either and didn't miss it. Our first car with A/C was in 1977 and we were completely sold on it then. Loved it! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:25:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My truck has it but I almost never use it. Only hen I have passengers and am trying to have a conversation. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:24:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: After living in a home with A/C for the last nearly 17 years now, there is no way I ever want to live in a home without it. Creature comforts - that what I like!! FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:24:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A/C - what's that? I don't have it in the house and it doesn't work in my car. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:24:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:23:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Ahytime it gets over 75 it is too hot for me. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:23:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim! FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:23:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening to all. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:23:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, We're having a birthday party for my Mom at the Quay this Saturday. I hope it stays below 100 for that day, at least! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:23:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No A/C at my house and it has been in the high 80's and low 90's FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:22:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Jerry. I was just mentioning the triple digit weather we're being threatened with beginning Sunday or Monday. Doesn't sound like any fun at all! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:22:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:21:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'll bet you're glad to live in a comfortable place with A/C with the approaching hot weather - again! I'm not looking forward to it at all! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:21:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat and Nancy FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:20:57 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I've added her to my address book and will contact her tomorrow if she doesn't join us tonight - or I might try tonight. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:13:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: A reply was posted on Genforum: Posted by: robert lawry (ID *****5764) Date: March 11, 2008 at 02:46:46 In Reply to: George C. Richards by Sharon Munce of 5760 I too am looking for a Richards connection. Mine is John Pro Richards, born in Ohio in 1853 (?) He lived his life out in California. His obituary said he had a brother George C. Richards mining in the area. Any chance there is a connection? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:12:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I found an early query Richards Genforum http://genforum.genealogy.com/richards/messages/852.html George C. Richards Posted by: Sharon Munce Date: July 14, 1999 at 20:31:42 I am looking for my grandfathers beginnings--I think they lived in Ohio--possibly Cleveland---they might have had a music store----he ran away from home and never said much about his past----He died in 1939-he was in the spanish American War. his middle name might have been Cleveland FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:08:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: She logged in right at the first - maybe before we got here. I don't have her email address so was unable to tell her to see the transcript. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:06:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Did Sharon Munce login last time? I'm forgetful as usual... FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:03:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, They sent my US MAIL request back, with a note that I have to be a direct descendant! But how could I find out, if I couldn't finish my research. I was quite sure that the ELDER there was PAXTANG PA, not my FRANKLIN CO PA group. Just trying to help establish the line for another researcher, who didn't ever request the record. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 2:00:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I sure do appreciate those Cemetery photos and all the info attached! FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 1:59:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was busy giving some death record info for a fellow who died in 1987 and I found him buried in Park Hill Cemetery. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 1:59:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I still haven't figured out how to obtain one of the ELDER death records from Iowa. I'm not a direct descendant of the ELDER involved, I just would like to know if a father is entered on the record. But they won't allow me to access it at all. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 1:53:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like Joy recommends requesting the death record for George Richards. I always wish it could be easier to obtain those, more like in St. Louis. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 1:51:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy - I just got here, too. I didn't have time to scan the transcript last week and only saw the query from the lady. Joy said quite a bit was posted then so she eposted it and added a lot more. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 23, 2009 1:50:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Pat, I see lots of info! FROM: Joy on DATE-Jul 22, 2009 19:31:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 about George Richards Name: Richards, George County: Portland Death Date: 2 Apr 1939 Certificate: 1148 Spouse: Laura Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 about Laura K Richards Name: Richards, Laura K County: Multnomah Death Date: 23 Jun 1961 Certificate: 7754 Age: 75 Spouse: George I would recommend getting George's death certificate and see if there is any information about his parents on it. Death records more than 50 years old can be accessed. Oregon State Archives Death certificates, Oregon, 1903-1957 Access Restrictions The Oregon Health Division's Administrative Rule 333-011-096 states that all birth records (including indexes) have a 100 year access restriction, and death certificates have a 50 year access restriction. If you supply us with 1) NAME, 2) DATE OF BIRTH, DEATH etc. and 3) CITY, COUNTY or STATE we will search the records (see fees). The Archives Reference Room is open 8 a.m. - 4:45 p.m. Monday through Friday for personal research. Researchers may submit requests for research, copies, and other services to the State Archives in person or by telephone, fax, postal mail, or e-mail: Oregon State Archives 800 Summer St NE Salem, OR 97310 503-373-0701 ext. 1 Fax: 503-373-0953 EMAIL: reference.archives@state.or.us Requests will be completed in the order they were received. Please allow seven to ten working days for most responses. 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In addition, all other requests will include labor charges and copying, supply and postage charges when incurred. Labor charges: $30 per hour charged in $5 (10-minute) increments. There is a maximum of $120 (four hours labor) for any request. Photocopies: 75 cents per page. Fax: 75 cents per page. PDF: 75 cents per page. Audio tape duplication. Cassette to cassette duplicates: $6 per cassette. Certification: $5 per certification. Digital imaging. Copy of existing tiff file to CD-ROM, Zip Disk, or FTP - $15 per file copied. Digital Color Inkjet prints: $10. Scan from original archival record (300 dpi unless otherwise requested): $20 per scan. Reproduction by outside vendor: $10 handling fee. The Secretary of State shall not refund fees paid in excess of the amount legally due the State Archives if the amount is $10 or less, unless a refund is requested in writing by the applicant or the applicant's legal representative. Such requests must be made within three years of the date payment is received by the State Archives. * Out-of-state charge: The out-of-state charge of $5 applies to each named individual and each record type copied. (e.g. Death record for John Smith and marriage return for John Smith would incur a $10 charge to an out-of-state request) FROM: Joy on DATE-Jul 22, 2009 19:30:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: WWI Draft Registration Card George Chase Richards 6430 63rd St Portland, Mult. Ore. age: 39 DOB: March 29, 1879 White, Native born Occupation: Rinter, North West Steel, Portland, Mult. Ore. Nearest Relative: Wife: Laura K Richards, 6430 63rd St SE, Portland, Mult. Ore. Tall, Medium build, grey eyes, brown hair filed: Sept 12, 1918 Portland, Oregon Source Citation: Registration Location: Multnomah County, Oregon; Roll 1852142; Draft Board: 4. U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 about George C Richards Name: George C Richards Birthyear: abt 1879 Birthplace: Ohio, United States Enlistment Date: 9 Nov 1898 Enlistment Age: 19 8/12 Birthplace on the image is very blurred - it is shaped like Wissoning(?) Ohio Ohio Soldiers in the War with Spain, 1898-99 Page 160 Third Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry. Company A Covington Richards, George, Private, Residence: Glenville Age 19. Absent in Div. Hosp. Fernandina, Fla. and Ft. Thomas, Ky. Aug 24 to Oct 5, 1898. On furlough from Ft. Thomas Oct 5 to Nov 4, 1898, G.O. 114, A.G.O. Aug 9, 1898. On duty at Camp Bushnell since Oct 16, 1898. Glenville, listed as his residence is a suburb of Cleveland. He had a military pension file: Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934 Richards, George C Co D 22 US Inf Co A 3 Ohio Inf date filed: 1899 Sept 14 Application # 1235875 Certificate #1163314 filed in California It might be worth pursuing the pension file for genealogical data FROM: Joy on DATE-Jul 22, 2009 19:30:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: California Birth Index, 1905-1995 about Laura M Richards Name: Laura M Richards Birth Date: 17 Jul 1912 Gender: Female Mother's Maiden Name: Witt Birth County: Los Angeles (so Laura K's maiden name is Witt) FROM: Joy on DATE-Jul 22, 2009 19:29:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This is a repost of the results posted in chat last week for the George Richards, query... 1930 United States Federal Census Portland, Multnomah, Oregon 11 April 1930 6430 63rd St Richards, George C, head, m, w, 51, m, 28, Ohio, New York, Ohio, Longshoreman, Ship docks Laura K, wife, f, w, 43, m, 31, Kansas, Illinois, Illinois Dorothy V, daughter, f, w, 21, single, Colorado, Ohio, Kansas, Operator, Telephone Laura M, daughter, f, w, 17, single, California, Ohio, Kansas Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon; Roll 1951; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 190; Image: 289.0. 1920 Federal Census Portland, Multnomah, Oregon 15 January 1920 6430 63rd St Richards, George C, Head, m, w, 39, m, Ohio, Ohio, Ohio, Rinter, Shipyards Laura, wife, f, w, 33, m, Kansas, Illinois, Missouri Dorothy, daughter, f, w, 11, s, Colorado, Ohio, Kansas Laura, daughter, f, w, 8, s, California, Ohio, Kansas Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon; Roll T625_1500; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 81; Image: 917. 1910 United States Federal Census Colorado Springs Ward 3, El Paso, Colorado 416 N El Paso Street 26 April 1910 Richards, George C, head, m, w, 30(Number is blurred), 3, Ohio, United States, United States, Wood carrier, private Co. Laura K, wife, f, w, 29(Number is blurred), 3, 1/1, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri Agnes A, daughter, f, w, 1 8/12, Colorado, Ohio, Kansas Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Colorado Springs Ward 3, El Paso, Colorado; Roll T624_119; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 41; Image: 90. (I don't know how they got Agnes A, for the daughter's name, when she is later Dorothy V). 1900 United States Federal Census Redlands, San Bernardino, California 2 June 1900 Richards, Geo C, head, w, m, March 1879, 21, s, Ohio, Kansas, Ohio, Ice Handler Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Redlands, San Bernardino, California; Roll T623_97 Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 235. FROM: Steve on DATE-Jul 16, 2009 21:25:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There are two George Richards (b. 1879) in the 1880 census in Ohio. It might be one of them. FROM: Joy on DATE-Jul 22, 2009 1:51:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Please note that quite a bit on this query was posted in last week's chat: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~waccgs/7-16-09.txt FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 17, 2009 13:45:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to see if it posted o.k. See you Thursday evening. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Jul 17, 2009 13:44:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL PROJECT: This information was entered by Sharon Munce in GenChat. Let's see if we can help her! George Richards, my grandfather ran away from home when he was young — someplace in Ohio. He was born late 1800's married to Laura Richards & had 2 daughters. He was in Spanish American war. He was a gandy dancer and a roustabout & was in San Francisco when the earth quake hit. He worked and married Laura on Pike's Peak at a resort of some kind. They are buried in Lincoln Park in Portland I know little else as he died before I was born and he wouldn't talk about his family --if he had one— I am flummoxed on this path ---- I'm not even sure of his ancestry. I know his eyes would change color — as I inherited that as did my cousin Joe HELLLLLLP ---Sharon Munce (cousin of Flora May Munce, the baby you researched before. Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts with the link below: Past transcripts: www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm