July 30, 2009 Remember to begin reading this transcript from the bottom to the top! FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:03:41 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes The Chronicle was purchased before 1900 by the same family that owns the Review, Chronicle stopped in 1993 FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:03:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks again everyone! Gnight All! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:03:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks Charles - Good night. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:02:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Through Google, And Spokane and newspapers FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:02:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Thanks, Charles! FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:01:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy well they are free foe everyone, so I guess Ancestry could use them also FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:01:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good night to all. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:01:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles - how do you access them? FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:01:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Wow, thanks wonderful. Do you go thru the google.com website or directly to the newspaper website? I don't think that the Chronicle is still published. As I recall, the Chronicle and Spokesman Review were owned by the same family. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:00:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have not tried them yet but they say you can not print the articles, just look at them, so I am not sure that is true or not FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:00:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Looks like it's time to call it quits for another week. Thanks for coming by to visit. Maybe we'll have a brickwall next time! See you all next week, I hope. Goodnight all FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:00:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles, Maybe they will offer the access to Ancestry.com? FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 4:00:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That's great news about the newspapers being online. I will do some searching in them. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:59:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That makes it sound closer than the way I said it Jim. ;-) Do the bold anyway you want. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:58:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles, That's wonderful! I'm so grateful for all those papers online. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:58:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'd like to be able to put all of the Columbian's obits on our web page but just don't have enough time. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:58:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Do you want the middle portion in bold type or regular type? FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:57:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Google now has our newspapers the Spokane Chronicle and Spokesman Review online from about 1890 to now fully searchable FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:57:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Your husband's "shirt-tail" relative would be a brother-in-law to Don's 2nd cousin. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:57:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No Jim - I'm sure someone at the Columbian suggested it. They probably charge more for it and suggest it to anyone buying an obit. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:55:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Everyone of the obits published online today in The Columbian has a portion in the middle in bold type. It is hard for me to believe that the original submitters of the 6-7 obits all decided independently to bold part of their obits. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:53:06 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It makes for a long tail! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:51:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim - that obit I sent to you this evening is a "shirt-tail relative." He was a brother to the wife of my husband's grandmother's sister's grandson - how's that for shirt-tail? FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:50:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: it did not crack the paint either, so they kept the money to fix it FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:49:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That is great Charles. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:48:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: What a funny story Charles. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:48:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I was thinking it was only the one time - must have been twice then. I know we had to almost beg him to come the last time! FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:46:54 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I think that he also attended the one in 1984. Years ago you sent me his photo from 1984 and 1989. FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:46:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: My cousin lives in Colorado ant they had their car roof dented in a hail storm, took it to the insurance and they got estimates to fix it and got the money. Before they got to the repair shop they went to a family reunion in Montana, and it was in the 90s, and all the dents popped out by them selves in the heat FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:45:21 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Bob attended the one in 1989 and wasn't very well then. He died the next year. That was his first and only reunion. I'm glad he could at least make one of them. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:43:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Charles - if you will page down, you will see a couple of photos of the huge hail from the storm in Colorado. The one is a picture of damage to a car and that one object is a quarter. Can you imagine the noise that made? FROM: Charles on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:42:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, Nancy, Pat meeting got done early, so I made it anyway FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:41:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles - we didn't think we'd see you this evening. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:41:39 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It's been 20 years since my uncle attended one of your high school reunions. He is one of your 157 deceased classmates (died in 1990). FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:41:19 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry - my daughter's 40th was supposed to be this year but no one is doing it so Linda thinks maybe there will be one on the 50th. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:41:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Just the e-mail address. Someone might like the query! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:40:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:40:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles! FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:40:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Charles. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:39:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Thanks, that's a great photo of the stone! I'm so grateful for all those photos and their info! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:38:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We have our reunion every 5 years. 40th next year. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:38:20 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's Jim's great grandmother's stone at Mother Joseph Cemetery: FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:37:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Our last reunion was in 2004 - time flies when you're having fun! We meet monthly for a luncheon - actually two luncheons. The guys meet on the first Tuesday and the gals on the second Thursday. We've lost 45 class mates since 2004 - but we still have 110 dinner reservations already and the deadline is over two weeks away. There were 416 in our class and 157 are deceased now. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:36:48 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Maria Wihelmina (Mertens) Schmitz FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:35:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, how often does your high school class have a reunion? It seems that it hasn't been very long since your last one. I know that this year is your 60th graduation anniversary. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:31:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim - what was the great grandmother's name? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:29:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Yes Nancy - he was very helpful and quite willing to talk. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:29:03 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This great-grandmother is buried in the old St. James Acres Cemetery. We have posted her headstone photo and obit to the CCGS websites. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:27:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Curators should be happy to have questions from their fans and relatives! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:27:44 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I hope you get lots of photos Jim. I'm working on and attending three reunions in August. My old country two-room school house at Amboy; our Bauer/Bower family and my high school class reunion. I'm chairman of the last one and have a lot of things to do! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:27:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I still have the curator's business card. FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:26:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Time will tell. I have some photos that I am taking to show them. I also have an 1859 book printed in German that belonged to our common great-grandmother! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:25:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The museum curator seemed to be impressed to talk with a descendant of Bill Karns, though he is my 1st cousin 3 times removed. I am related through my maternal great grandmother. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:25:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Here's an e-mail - maybe current personnel? Human Resources hr@baberuthmuseum.com FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:24:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, Great opportunity for photos, too! Maybe they'll have albums, other good records! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:23:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Maybe find an e-mail to ask more questions? http://www.baberuthmuseum.com/aboutus/staff Babe Ruth Birthplace Museum Sports Legends Museum at Camden Yards Executive Offices 216 Emory Street Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 727-1539 - office (410) 727-1652 - fax (410) 727-1587 - museum store Staff Directory & Contact Information FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:22:47 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: The reunion will be held in Benicia, CA which is about 60-70 minute drive from here. I will drive over on Saturday morning and spend the rest of the day with them. It will also be a chance for me to update my records on this branch of the family. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:21:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat - Bill Karns and my greatgrandmother only had one child p Sadie. She was born in Los Angeles in 1907 and never married. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:21:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I see the webpage for the Museum: http://www.baberuthmuseum.com FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:20:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Here's one team further away? 1901 Detroit Tigers Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics (Franchise Encyclopedia: 1900 / 1902) 74-61, Finished 3rd in American League View League Standings and Leaders Scored 741 runs, Allowed 694 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 72-63 Manager: George Stallings (74-61) Ballpark: Bennett Park (ballparks.com) Attendance: 259,430 (3rd of 8) FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:18:53 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I went to the Babe Ruth Museum near the ball park in Baltimore. they had some recored that gave his state too. They told me there may be some pictures and possibly other records too, but all those records were in storage waiting for them to build a new museum. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:18:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I wonder if your William Arthur Karns could be any relation to Richard Karn, the fellow who played Al on Home Improvement? He was born in Seattle in 1956 so could be a grandson of your Karns fellow. His parents were Gene & Louise. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:15:17 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: 1901 Baltimore Orioles Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics (Franchise Encyclopedia: 1900 / 1902) 68-65, Finished 5th in American League View League Standings and Leaders Scored 760 runs, Allowed 750 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 67-66 Manager: John McGraw (68-65) Ballpark: Oriole Park (ballparks.com) Attendance: 141,952 (6th of 8) http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BLA/1901.shtml FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:13:12 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see another webpage: Bill Karns William Arthur Karns Bats: Left , Throws: Left Born: December 28, 1875 in Richmond, IA Signed as a Free Agent with the Baltimore Orioles in 1901. (Date given is approximate. Exact date is uncertain.) (All Transactions) Debut: August 1, 1901 Final Game: September 26, 1901 Died: November 15, 1941 in Seattle, WA http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/karnsbi01.shtml FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:12:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That would be too easy Nancy (;>) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:11:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Always wishing the first name would be Ezekial or something a bit different than William or Benjamin Franklin! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:10:16 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jim, Where will they all meet? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:10:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Maybe Nancy. My grandfather said they moved up and down the east coast for games. I have searched much of the area with no luck. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:09:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I imagine KARNS can be mis-spelled quite a few ways, too! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:09:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Also having trouble finding Bill Karns father - Benjamin Franklin Kearns/Karns. I have them in 1880 in Fort Madison, Iowa, but have never been able to find him in any other census. I know they were in California around 1907. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:08:27 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Maybe he went on a trip to a big game somewhere else at the time of the census? FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:07:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I have been trying to get ready for a family reunion on my mother's side of the family. Most of the attendees are 2nd cousins to me. They descend from one of my grandmother's sisters. They invited my grandmother's descendants also, but only one of my 1st cousins and I are going. I met some of these folks in 1981 and haven't seen them since! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:07:37 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Halberts only: Includes PETER ELDER: .... Mungo Warden John Hunter John Warden James Archbald John Miller Henry English Gilbert mcNeal John Wray James Deniston Peter Elder FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:05:31 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I am having trouble finding my grandfather's step dad in 1900. His name was William Arthur Karns. I know he was in Baltimore in 1901 as he was a pitcher for the Orioles in 1901. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Karns FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:05:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: ....Sword and Calleuer Includes: Anthony Steward FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:03:45 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Barony de Rapho The Lord Duke of Lynox, undertaker of 4000 acres, his men and armes Includes: John Steward FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:03:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That hail does not sound like fun. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:02:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Donegal file has: The Muster Roll of the County of Donnagall 1630 A.D. As printed in the Donegal Annual See STEWARD/STEWART p. 1 FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 3:02:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Our weather here has been in the low 80s. Most days the fog/low clouds don't burn off until about 2 PM. I had a field trip today and go above the clouds at about 9 AM. So I got to stand around in the sunlight most of the day until 4:30 PM! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:58:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim - we don't have any real project this week so we're just chatting. Jerry has been telling us and showing photos of the hail in Colorado - some was baseball size! And we've been telling of our 107 degree temperatures! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:58:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:58:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I even see lots of John Stewarts Nancy. Maybe we have a link there too! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:58:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jim! How's the weather? FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:57:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I see I have a file for STEWART of PA in Egle's book. Online Google Book Egle, William Henry. Pennsylvania Genealogies. ELDER chapter Selections. Published 1886. Egle's book : http://books.google.com/books?id=d7_akH9VO_cC&dq=%22pennsylvania+genealogie s+scotch+irish+and+german%22 FROM: Jim on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:56:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Good evening. I also forget that today is Thursday and time for the chat room. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:53:34 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Did you see all the STEWART names in Ballymoney? Lots in Donegal, too, and all over Ulster... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Ballymon eyData.htm FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:49:50 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: more notes: ... the Paxton Boys revealed the tension between the established societies of the Atlantic coast and the precarious areas of white settlement on the western frontier. One leader of the Paxton Boys was Lazarus Stewart who would be killed in the Wyoming Massacre of 1778. (Another was Rev. John ELDER...) FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:46:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, They sure are all over in PA: Here's a new note, where lots of ELDER and STEWART are still located, in Paxtang, PA near Harrisburg, PA. NEW BUSINESS Mayor Stambaugh has been in contact with Principal Stewart, Paxtang elementary School, regarding skateboarding in the Borough. Solicitor Laskowski suggested providing Principal Stewart with a copy of the Ordinance regarding skateboarding. Paxtang Elem Sch: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:rDr2OAwppGEJ:www.paxtang.com/wiki/images/ e/e1/2007_05.pdf+stewart+paxtang&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:44:00 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - I think they will be hard to find in Ireland. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:42:52 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: And those are the small ones Pat. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:41:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I printed those hail photos and took them upstairs for my husband to look at. All he said was "Whew!" FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:33:49 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, That's great! I wish I knew more about all those STEWART families, even tho lots online, they seem to get as mixed up as the ELDER surnames in PA. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:32:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - after our discussion of Stewart I spent all week looking at my grandfather's family. I found them in the 1900 census, which I did not have. Also found them in 1860, 1870 and 1880. All in either Frederick Maryland, or Baltimore. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:29:32 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:26:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Shoulda had a flashlight! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:22:59 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Another article told about a man sleeping in the backyard, trying to go into the house in the dark, falling and breaking his arm. I think he bought an AC unit, soon after. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:21:43 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Yes, an article in the paper said sales and repair going very well! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:20:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Sorry the transcript was late in being posted last week. I couldn't copy and paste it - some kind of a glitch. It was o.k. after I shut it off and restarted it the next morning. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:20:14 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That weather is probably making those HVAC repairmen lots of money. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:20:02 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Joy - nice to see you this evening. Oops - guess she left. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:18:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Todd said last night that ours was number 16 and there were more to be done today. He has them in stock in his shop so he had just what was needed. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:17:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I thought maybe it was a quarter by that damage. Can you imagine the noise it made when hitting those cars? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:17:35 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy - that is a quarter. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:17:15 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't think it's worth it Nancy - Don wouldn't want to do it and I'd rather have the cute repairman come here! ;-) He's really a nice fellow and does such a good job. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:16:18 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, Those look big! Is that a dime by the hail stones? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:16:10 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:15:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We had the same part go out on our unit in San Antonio Pat. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:15:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Can you learn how to purchase and keep those for yourself to replace? FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:14:58 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I don't think anyone was hurt, but there was extensive damage to many cars FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:14:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Joy! How are you doing in this heat wave? FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:14:13 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It was a part called a capacitor (spelling probably not right) - only $30 and they go out often. That's our second one for this five-year-old heat pump. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:11:05 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Baseball size hail doesn't sound like any fun at all. Did anyone get hurt by it? Bet a lot of cars were damaged. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:10:56 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, What was wrong with it? FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:10:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We were pretty uncomfortable waiting for Todd to get here. We had two fans going and were able to survive but felt thankful when he got here and fixed the unit in about five minutes. He knew exactly what was wrong. FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:09:46 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: We are supposed to be back to more normal tomorrow - mid 80s. We have had rain every day for the last 2 weeks. Afternoon thunderstorms have been very intense. They had baseball size hail in Pueblo yesterday. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:08:22 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I just received a link about the successful DNA testing in Edinburgh this weekend! at http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/the-gathering.aspx DNA testing - the talk of the Scottish Gathering of the Clans One of the 47,000 participants at The Gathering 2009, the largest assembly of Scottish Clans ever, Tom MacDonald travelled from Australia to Scotland, and one of the highlights of his trip was to have a DNA test to try and prove his connection to the MacDonald of Sleat. Houston based Family Tree DNA, the pioneer and largest DNA testing company, was a sponsor and official DNA testing organization at The Gathering 2009, which saw 130 Clans participating in Highland Games during the weekend of the 25th and 26th of July at the Holyrood Park in Edinburgh. Like Tom, thousands had the opportunity to learn about genetic genealogy, either by listening to the presentations or by learning directly from Bennett Greenspan and Max Blankfeld, the heads of Family Tree DNA, about how a DNA test could help them connect to others and verify relationships..." FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:05:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Jerry, I've been reading about people sleeping in tents in backyards, and I'm grateful I don't have to do that! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:04:28 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: That was great you were able to get your heat pump fixed that fast Pat. That would have made for an umcomfortable night. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:02:33 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm glad you admit it Jerry! We have an order coming from Denver and I talked to a fellow there a couple of days ago. He couldn't believe our 105-107 degrees and said it was 70 there. No wonder you don't need A/C! FROM: jerryt on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:01:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Greetings - sounds like you have our weather and we have yours. Low 60s and raining most of the day. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:00:25 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Jerry! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 2:00:09 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hello Jerry FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:59:11 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Here's some info on Phoebe: Phoebe Maria Gardner was married to John M. Selby Sr. (b. May 1831, d. 3 Jan 1877, buried Wilson Bridge) and they had a son Edward Giles Selby. Edward married Elsie Nye Proebstel (born 19 Sep 1883), daughter of Andrew Jackson Proebstel and Minnie Agnes Nye on 1 Jul 1903 in Clark Co. Edward and Elsie has four children: Agnes (m. Carl Balding), Robert, Frank and Virginia Selby. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:57:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: There's a lot more information posted in the June 14, 2007 transcript Steve. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:56:38 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: RE: ELDER family of Inch Island, County Donegal, Ireland. We do have a DNA descendant from Inch Island, who moved to Saskatchewan, so I know they are all from the "PAXTANG PA" DNA group, or "I = Viking, Isles-Scotland", different than my brother's "FRANKLIN CO PA" (R1b). FROM: Steve on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:56:29 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: No Selby-Gardner marriage listed in the Illinois Marriage Index (her birth state). FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:54:04 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Pat, Yipes! I keep telling our staff, just keep the electricity working. I know they have replaced a few of the individual AC units, tho. I just stay inside, except for watering garden pots at about 8am. FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:52:40 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I haven't been able to find out anything about the women, but have been looking for clues about the men in the family, so far. Shevanne's father living in PA, age 3 1/2 in 1920 his father named M.F. WALP 1920 Name: Martin F Walp Home in 1920: Wilkinsburg Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania Age: 46 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Rebecca S Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania Marital Status: Married Race: White Sex: Male Home owned: Own Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Household Members: Name Age Martin F Walp 46 Rebecca S Walp 44 (Ireland) Margaret G Walp 18 Edith M Walp 16 Bertha V Walp 14 Russell J Walp 11 Rebecca S Walp 9 Henry C Walp 3 6/12 Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Wilkinsburg Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania; Roll T625_1530; Page: 20A; Enumeration District: 859; Image: 752. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:50:51 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Nancy - hot enough yet? Our heat pump went out about 4:30 yesterday afternoon but we were able to have it repaired by 8pm - thank goodness! FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:50:30 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: I'm working on a query from VT and PA: Elder family tree Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:08 PM From: Shevonne NancyElderPETERSEN@yahoo. com Dear Nancy: My 93 year old father is visiting for a few weeks from Pgh, PA. and we decided to do a little research about his family of origin. I learned via a little bit of googling and the LDS site that his mother, Rebecca Elder, was one of 12 children from the Inch Island, Ireland Elder family. (Rebecca Steel and Samuel Elder) I learned this through Tira's web-site. However, I would really like to try to learn more about what happened to the rest of my dad's mother's sisters who came to the U.S. I presume many of them married and I have no clue how to find them or their children or children's children. I am really trying to ascertain whether my father has any living first cousins. Their names were Hannah Elder and Lizzy Elder (who my dad once visited in San Francisco in the 30's). Might you be able to help direct me to another way of searching further? Thanks, Shevonne Shevonne Travers Health Promotion Vermont School Boards Insurance Trust 79 River Street, 3rd Floor, Suite 301 Montpelier, VT 05602 FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:50:01 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: It sounds like it Steve but apparently she has some info already. I hope she will join us this evening so we will know. FROM: Steve on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:48:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Is this the right Phoebe that Lee is interested in? FROM: Joy on DATE-Jun 7, 2007 3:47:36 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: All those Selby's mentioned with Phoebe Brown are HER kids: Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Clark, Washington; Roll: T9_1396; Family History Film: 1255396; Page: 50.1000; Enumeration District: 23; . Selby, Phoebe M, w, f, 39, widowed or divorced checked, Keeping House, Illinois, NY, NY Charles, w, m, 19, son, s, farmer, Minnesota, Iowa, Ill Annie, w, f, 21, daughter, s, school teacher, Illinois, Iowa, Ill Kate, w, f, 17, daughter, at school, California, Iowa, Ill John, w, m, 11, son, s, at school, Oregon, Iowa, Ill May, w, f, 10, daughter, s, at school, Oregon, Iowa, ILL Clara, w, f, 8, daughter, s, Washington Ty, Iowa, Ill Edwin, w, m, 6, son, s, Washington Ty, Iowa, Ill Mark T, w, m, 1, son, s, Oregon, Iowa, Ill FROM: Nancy Elder Petersen on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:48:42 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi folks! FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:43:08 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Hi Steve - I was hoping we would have an interesting brick wall project posted but no such luck. Glad to see you back with us this evening. Charles can't make it from Spokane tonight but he will be here next week. FROM: Pat on DATE-Jul 30, 2009 1:02:55 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: This message was received today from Lee Gardner Dewey. I've written to her and invited her to join us this evening - I hope she will be able to do it. "While researching my relative Phoebe Maria Gardner Selby (Kinder - Brown) in Vancouver, I fortunately stumbled on a chat from June of 2007 which provided me with GREAT information which I did not have previously. This particular transcript had a great deal about the Selby's but nothing about Phoebe Maria Gardner. If anyone is interested I have more on her background but don't know how and where to post it." I also suggested she send the printed material to CCGS to insert in the vertical file. FROM: PatB on DATE-Jul 28, 2009 0:50:26 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Just checking to see if everything posted. Hope we have an interesting brickwall project by Thursday evening! See you then. FROM: Nancy & Pat on DATE-Jul 28, 2009 0:49:07 GMT-DATE MESSAGE: Nancy Elder Petersen and Patricia McKee Bauer, along with several regular visitors, will be staffing the GenChat room beginning about 6:45 p.m. Thursday evening. We close the door about 9:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. We have visitors who will give you a willing helping hand with your genealogy brick walls. You can enter questions or answers at any time but we hope you will be able to join us when we are open for discussions. BRICKWALL PROJECT: We don't have any special project for this week. We hope someone will come up with one before Thursday evening. Please click on the "log-out" button (lower right) before you leave. Meanwhile, you can see our past transcripts with the link below: Past transcripts: www.rootsweb.com/~waccgs/p3424.htm